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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 677

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Yes, please - I already did and anyone else, who can, should do so too. Thanks.
Reporting these listings is kind of like fighting windmills but it’s the best we can do.

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Harmy said:

Yes, please - I already did and anyone else, who can, should do so too. Thanks.
Reporting these listings is kind of like fighting moisture vaporators, but it’s the best we can do.

FTFY

TV’s Frink said:

I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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Hi, guys, here’s my new update video:

https://youtu.be/1RBGGB8tgzU

And I wanted to ask - the comunity is slowly but surely shifting away from the GOUT standard and I will probably do so for Despecialized 3.0 as well.

But, my question is - what exactly is the new standard? I would imagine it would be the 4K## projects but which versions, and also, what about Empire?

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Also, having been out of the loop for a while, I’m wondering, if there are any noteworthy preservation projects that I might have missed in the last year or so - maybe even WIP releases and stuff like that.

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4Kxx is a mix of theatrical and GOUT, unfortunately.

4K77 is GOUT-synced, not theatrical. It’s missing a frame at ~1:40:08.
4K83 is theatrical, and it’s different from GOUT by two additional frames at ~47:43.
From what I’ve heard, 4K80 will also be theatrical, which would be different from GOUT by two additional frames at ~1:44:24.

So while a lot of people may say the new frame standard is theatrical, AFAICT no preservation is actually using that standard for the whole trilogy, which is kinda confusing. You’d be the first, which means your tracks still won’t sync with anyone else’s, unless they also change theirs. I’d recommend trying to coordinate with the 4Kxx project – try to convince them of the benefits of using a single frame standard for everything, and if they’re willing to change 4K77, you can change your whole trilogy, and then everything’s happy.

EDIT: And if everyone’s going through the trouble of changing their sync anyway, I may as well plug my own opinion as well – if we’re switching to theatrical, add a 1/2-second padding to the beginning of each film, so that all the HDMI handshake business that happens on a home theater setup doesn’t potentially cut off the beginning of the Fox fanfare.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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Yeah, that’s what I was afraid of. How much different would a theatrical timing be for SW?
TBH, I’d actually rather stick to GOUT for backwards compatibility - I really doubt anyone is going to miss those extra frames when watching the movie. I was just afraid that any new audio preservations would be done to the new standard but it seems that no new standard actually exists, whereas the GOUT actually did present a tangible standard.

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It’d be better to chop out the frames on your own if anything. I doubt they would release something not 1:1 with the theatrical cuts going forward; that’s the whole point of 4KXX’s existence.

Save the Sebastian Shaw Ghost! Save the dream…!

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The D+XX preservations all use the new sync standard (Destiny Edition and OTD83 included). It’s 1 frame in Star Wars, 2 frames in ESB, and 2 frames in ROTJ.

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So basically it’s currently still a cluster****. Unless we can coordinate a summit of project leads and get everyone to agree to a frame standard, it’s likely to continue to be a mess. Sorry. I know how much of a pain it was just finally arriving at NTSC GOUT after all those PAL GOUT battles.

IMO all of the frame standards under discussion make no difference at all for subtitles. Only the two-frame differences are detectable to me for audio, and I’ve even unfortunately seen evidence that this even matters for some dubs (i.e. German). I’m sure there’s someone out there who can detect a one-frame sync difference for audio, but that’s not me.

As for new tracks, hairy_hen made a new 4K83-synced 5.1 track, which doesn’t sync to DeEd. However, I’m sure he’d be willing to make a GOUT-synced track for a new DeEd. And even if he’s not available, I’ve made a GOUT-synced version of his new 5.1 track and it sounds seamless to me (although I would definitely rather get it from h_h!). So it’s pretty easy to take theatrically-synced audio and convert it, if and when new tracks come along.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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Unless we can coordinate a summit of project leads and get everyone to agree to a frame standard, it’s likely to continue to be a mess.

All new projects from TSWT forums are very likely to be theatrically synced. The only project that isn’t is 4K77, and version 2.0 is supposed to change that. Since Despecialized is (or was) using these projects as a basis, it seems to make sense to use the new standard.

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If 4K77 does indeed have plans to change, it would make this decision less convoluted. Who could we confirm this with?

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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I’m pretty sure 4K77 V2 will change to theatrically sync, but Williarob is probably the best person to to give a definitive answer.

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Havoc n said:

I’m pretty sure 4K77 V2 will change to theatrically sync, but Williarob is probably the best person to to give a definitive answer.

I’ve sent him a PM. Hopefully we’ll know soon.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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Yes, we are moving to theatrically sync all three films from this point forward. 4K77 2.0 and 4K80 1.0 will include all available frames even if they were missing from the NTSC (or PAL or both) GOUT versions.

Presumably, however, we will continue to ensure that the Star Wars logo appears on frame 689 as it does on the GOUT, so that all the audio tracks still have the same starting point.

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Thank you, Williarob, that makes things much easier. Harmy, in THAT case I think it’s fair to say that by the time you have something worth releasing, and certainly in the longer term, theatrical frames will be a standard worth pursuing for all three films.

If you commit to going with theatrical frames, I’ll commit to switching all of my sub and audio sources in time to be ready for your next release.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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I do declare that I hereby commit to going with theatrical frames. I do so swear, lest my crops wither and my manhood shrivels like a dried baby carrot…

😁 😂

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So say we all (except the carrot business)! Now don’t surprise me with a new theatrically-timed release next week because I’m not ready for that at all.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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We’re taking our step into a larger world with the Original Theatrical Syncing

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Harmy said:

Hi, guys, here’s my new update video:

https://youtu.be/1RBGGB8tgzU

Just so the discussion about frame references doesn’t distract people from seeing your update video, I quoted your link again.

As for the apartment, I’m most impressed by your door-opening ghost. Also, it’s touching to have the big box of tissues ready by the TV, just in case you get overwhelmed 😉

Seriously though, keep safe. I’m glad you at least have avoided COVID thus far.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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Too bad, the GOUT standard was so nice to have for so long. Personally I’d rather omit less than 5 frames across a movie in order to retain it, but I get it.

I put out two versions of my ESB and ROTJ audio projects for both GOUT and theatrical. For ANH I found it so inconsequential, being a frame or less toward the end of the film.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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I am now going to derail this monumental occasion with an ignorant question. Isn’t GOUT and “theatrical” referring to the same thing?? I thought anything pre-Special Edition adheres to George’s original trilogy.

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I am now going to derail this monumental occasion with an ignorant question. Isn’t GOUT and “theatrical” referring to the same thing?? I thought anything pre-Special Edition adheres to George’s original trilogy.

Yes and no. GOUT is a presentation of the OOT on DVD. In terms of this discussion though, the “GOUT standard” refers to a precise collection of frames for syncing audio tracks. Theatrical prints differ by a handful of frames from the GOUT. These aren’t substantial content differences but are enough to throw off sync with audio tracks if they are used on different video presentations.

To use a GOUT synced audio track, the chosen video component needs to have the frames synced to the GOUT standard.

TV’s Frink said:

I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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Gotcha! Thanks.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

jdryyz said:

I am now going to derail this monumental occasion with an ignorant question. Isn’t GOUT and “theatrical” referring to the same thing?? I thought anything pre-Special Edition adheres to George’s original trilogy.

Yes and no. GOUT is a presentation of the OOT on DVD. In terms of this discussion though, the “GOUT standard” refers to a precise collection of frames for syncing audio tracks. Theatrical prints differ by a handful of frames from the GOUT. These aren’t substantial content differences but are enough to throw off sync with audio tracks if they are used on different video presentations.

To use a GOUT synced audio track, the chosen video component needs to have the frames synced to the GOUT standard.