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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 651

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I Just Want To Know What Is Up With All The Captials

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TV’s Frink said:

I Just Want To Know What Is Up With All The Captials

Haha, I knew something more elusive–yet in your face–was off here…

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TV’s Frink said:

I Just Want To Know What Is Up With All The Captials

Everything I Say Is a Title.

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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Harmy said:

Laserschwert asked me for the Greedo scene with my colour timing but without subtitles, so here it is, at an insanely high bitrate, in case anyone else wants it:

http://www.uloz.to/11379790/greedo-harmy-no-subs-mp4

Hello Harmy, The link is down, could you reupload it?

By the way, do you have the Jabba sequence with your color timing and without subtitles?

I’m trying to make a “Castilian Spanish version” using your latest Despecialized versions (2.7, 2.0 and 2.5, respectively) and I need the two scenes.

Thanks for everything.

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BrightestDayFan2814 said:

Harmy said:

It seems he’s just a kid and English may not be his first language. I’m sure he meant well but he kept commenting on every single one of the pictures in my ESB comparison albums saying variations of:
“This Shot Needs To Replace With 35mm Print Scan (Team-1) or Poita’s 35mm 4k scan For The Empire Strikes Back Despecialized v2.5”

and he kept at it even after I replied a few times with:

“I know you’re probably trying to be helpful here but all you’re doing is spamming my email (I get a notification every time someone comments) because I know very well which shots need to be replaced using 35mm sources - all of them. There’s no reason to use old standard definition sources in the new versions any more and all shots need to be redone, since the next versions will be 1080p.”

So, I ended up blocking him from commenting.

Ok, Ok, Fine, I Will Stop

Could you explain you posting this as a reply to what Harmy wrote? I don’t get it.

“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here?”

“Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?” - Oddball, of The Awkward Squad

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oojason said:

BrightestDayFan2814 said:

Harmy said:

It seems he’s just a kid and English may not be his first language. I’m sure he meant well but he kept commenting on every single one of the pictures in my ESB comparison albums saying variations of:
“This Shot Needs To Replace With 35mm Print Scan (Team-1) or Poita’s 35mm 4k scan For The Empire Strikes Back Despecialized v2.5”

and he kept at it even after I replied a few times with:

“I know you’re probably trying to be helpful here but all you’re doing is spamming my email (I get a notification every time someone comments) because I know very well which shots need to be replaced using 35mm sources - all of them. There’s no reason to use old standard definition sources in the new versions any more and all shots need to be redone, since the next versions will be 1080p.”

So, I ended up blocking him from commenting.

Ok, Ok, Fine, I Will Stop

Could you explain you posting this as a reply to what Harmy wrote? I don’t get it.

Are you implying anything he said around it made sense to you?

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yoda-sama said:

oojason said:

BrightestDayFan2814 said:

Harmy said:

It seems he’s just a kid and English may not be his first language. I’m sure he meant well but he kept commenting on every single one of the pictures in my ESB comparison albums saying variations of:
“This Shot Needs To Replace With 35mm Print Scan (Team-1) or Poita’s 35mm 4k scan For The Empire Strikes Back Despecialized v2.5”

and he kept at it even after I replied a few times with:

“I know you’re probably trying to be helpful here but all you’re doing is spamming my email (I get a notification every time someone comments) because I know very well which shots need to be replaced using 35mm sources - all of them. There’s no reason to use old standard definition sources in the new versions any more and all shots need to be redone, since the next versions will be 1080p.”

So, I ended up blocking him from commenting.

Ok, Ok, Fine, I Will Stop

Could you explain you posting this as a reply to what Harmy wrote? I don’t get it.

Are you implying anything he said around it made sense to you?

Hopefully, he’ll start making sense soon, mate. Very soon.

“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here?”

“Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?” - Oddball, of The Awkward Squad

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Hi Harmy,

I hope I’m not offending you by asking this, but I was wondering if doing a 3.0 1080p version of Despecialized for Star Wars has become redundant now that 4k77 has been released?

There is a DNR version of 4k77 about to released followed shortly after by color corrections which would effectively present a bluray quality color accurate release of Star Wars at 1080p.

Understanding the massive effort that you put into the DeEds of the original trilogy, would your time and efforts not be better spent on TESB and ROTJ Despecialized 3.0 instead?

With the exception of gaining some additional screen that has been cropped from 4k77, what other benefits do you see a DeEd 3.0 of Star Wars having over 4k77.

Again, not trying to rude as I’m a massive fan of your work. Just curious.

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The benefit would be to utilize both 4k77 and the Blu-ray to create something that takes the best from both sources. Because as great as 4k77 is, it was sourced from release prints whereas the Blu-ray had access to the original negative and even the camera negatives. And while there are a few shots in 4k77 here and there that exceed the detail found on the Blu-ray, the reverse is also true a lot of the time.

So my guess for future DE versions would be that the Blu-ray would be the base since it still has more detail overall. And then 4k77 would be used to remove special edition changes…to “de-specialize” them, if you will.

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I have to politely disagree with you there.

The bluray doesn’t contain any more detail than 4k77 with the exception of the area of the image that was cropped. The bluray is heavily sharpened which gives the illusion of additional detail but not any actual additional picture information.

I’ve sharpened the 4k77 footage myself as an experiment and it can be sharpened to match the bluray exactly.

So my question stands.

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I’ve compared some frames myself and it does appear that the Blu-ray has more detail in many cases. Now as you say, this could be due to the heavy sharpening which creates the illusion of more detail.

In any case, I’d love to see some comparisons where the Blu-ray looks sharper, but is then matched by a heavily sharpened 4k77. I’d be glad to be proven wrong on this because it would be fascinating if a fan project has beat out an official release made from the best sources.

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If anything, it is fun to use their official footage and throw it back in their faces that all of their problems are fixable. I won’t say that Empire couldn’t use some attention to get rid of all the SD footage right away, but it is waiting on certain improved elements anyway. Might as well continue the effort as is, as this is a project we know the community gets heavily involved in and we have a lot of say in what happens, we will have this GOUT synced as a guarantee, with all of the wonderful community produced audio and subtitle options that come with that. It is great that film scans have progressed as well as you say they have, but there’s nothing wrong with having options. I love Harmy’s work, and I want to see more of it, and I’ll watch the other stuff, too.

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Stotchy said:

I have to politely disagree with you there.

The bluray doesn’t contain any more detail than 4k77 with the exception of the area of the image that was cropped. The bluray is heavily sharpened which gives the illusion of additional detail but not any actual additional picture information.

I’ve sharpened the 4k77 footage myself as an experiment and it can be sharpened to match the bluray exactly.

So my question stands.

It’s still not a total replacement for despecialized. There are still tens of thousands of scratches and pieces of dirt, despite the amazing job done on 4k77 (and that will still be true of the DNR version). There are still many distracting light flickers, mostly in the bottom right corner.

In any case, these are different projects with different goals. Restoring a release print versus something along the lines of what the blu ray should have been. And I don’t believe what you say about some amount of sharpening making 4k77 perfectly match the Blu-ray, anyway.

I dont know why you would even suggest that he work on ESB or Rotj if you believe these types of projects are so redundant. 4k83 will probably be out before Harmy’s next project. Just enjoy the tn1 work if you prefer it.

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No need to get so defensive towne32. I posed a question not a criticism and professed my love for DeEds. I’m not trying to start a 4k77 vs DeEd debate, and at no point did I suggest that TESB and ROTJ DeEds were redundant. I asked if it were worth working on these films ahead of Star Wars.

Maybe you should reread my posts and calm down keyboard warrior.

It’s a valid question - massive effort versus potentially diminishing return on Star Wars. If Harmy deems it worthwhile working on SW first ahead of TESB and ROTJ then he has my support.

And to your point about dirt/scratches etc, I would argue that these flaws outweigh the extreme sharpening and poor DNR on the bluray that removed a lot of detail.

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On the contrary - we’re not likely to get much better sources for Star Wars, which means that the version of Despecialized, which can be created now can be pretty much definitive. Whereas putting a lot of effort into Empire and Jedi using less than ideal sources, which will be replaced in due course by sources on par with 4k77 is what seems redundant to me.

I believe I stated the reasons behind still making v3.0 and what will make it unique and worthwhile even in the face of 4k77 existing right after 4k77 came out. Let me find the post and get back to you 😉

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A reply from the source is always appreciated. Many thanks Harmy!

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Took a bit of effort to find, because I actually posted this upon seeing some of the previews of 4K77, not upon its release but here’s what I said about the altered mission statement of Despecialized in light of great 35mm preservations existing (and in reply to someone asking about the look of the logos at the beginning of the film):

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Haven’t really thought about this specifically yet - but here’s my general thoughts for v3.0:
We now have 35mm preservations for that authentic experience of watching a 35mm print in a theater and I personally thoroughly enjoy watching the films that way, and if what I’ve seen of 4K77 so far is any indication, we will soon have extremely good versions for watching that way, so in order for Despecialized to make sense to even exist, it will have to take a slightly different approach.
My plan is still to undo every single change we have found, because I still stand by the argument that if we start picking and choosing which changes are the good changes and which should be removed, there could be a thousand versions and it would not please everyone. But I will try my best to do this in such a way that there are no distracting drops in quality or increases in grain levels, so that it is a consistent experience of watching a remastered release of the original version. If you think about it, this actually makes a lot of sense, seeing as how the main source will still be the official BD (otherwise, it wouldn’t really be the Despecialized Edition any more) which is remastered in this way even in places where no other changes were made.
So, in this case, I will try to make the logos look as close to how they appeared in theaters but they probably won’t “shake like crazy” just as they wouldn’t in a BD remaster.

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Whats the policy on reverting the digital re-composites that are otherwise invisible.

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Replace them all?

Im searching and I cant find this exact information.

I understand that matte lines and transparent cockpits are going back in. But some of the recomposites are so similar you wouldn’t know it. On one hand it’s revisionist to use any sort of digital technology to recreate these shots. But on the other hand it’s not that much different to the process of scanning a negative and recoloring it to match the Interpostive.

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Well, if they’re so similar I can’t tell the difference, then they might stay provided the quality actually is better.

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Stotchy said:

Maybe you should reread my posts and calm down keyboard warrior.

Really? Don’t pretend to take the high road (insert high ground joke here) if you’re going to make prickish comments like that. I think it’s you that should reread my post if you have a problem with it. I was contributing to the discussion without silly personal attacks, at least.

at no point did I suggest that TESB and ROTJ DeEds were redundant.

If you think that 4k77 replaces the need for despecialized, my point is that moving on to Jedi doesn’t make sense because 4k83 will be out first, most likely. It would still be wasted time, by that logic. This was based on your suggestion that Star Wars Despecialized is redundant (an opinion you’re welcome to have, but I assumed it might follow to the other films).

I’m not trying to start a 4k77 vs DeEd debate

And to your point about dirt/scratches etc, I would argue that these flaws outweigh the extreme sharpening and poor DNR on the bluray that removed a lot of detail.

I’m not either. And I’d rather watch 4K77 than Despecialized. But your point that different aspects may outweigh others is exactly my point. These are different projects with different benefits, and it’s better to have options than to not.