Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 576

Noah182 said:

Thanks for the info on this too. It continues to amaze me the various nuances between releases and how difficult it is to get the versions back to the theatrical cut. I’ll be on the lookout for theatrical TPM. That is a shame about AoTC though. After reading your response I did a little digging and was surprised to learn about the multiple theatrical versions. Strange how the digital version and film version had differences. I had known there was a much shorter IMax version, but never about the difference between 35mm and digital. Maybe one day someone will find a reel of this movie too.

They simply had an extra 3 weeks to work on the digital version. Mccallum says that there are many visual differences between the two versions. The only one anyone ever noticed was the robotic hand movement (I suspect the speeder thing may be one of these changes).

Many people believe that the DVD release was the same as the DCP, but they patched over Natalie’s “Yes.” line after her fall due to the negative critical response. The ‘to be angry/human’ line was probably also to help address the response to their awkward relationship that somehow manages to exist after he says he’s a child killer. But it really only makes things worse.

suspiciouscoffee said:

This has probably been answered before but how do I download these movies?

By reading the first post

Hello all… I’m brand new around here. Lurked for a while now. This is my first post. I just got around to digging through this thread and realized I may be stepping on toes with what I’m about to post, but here goes. I wanted a Blu-Ray disc that would play in my player and I was successful in burning one that just played immediately but that was no fun. So after unsuccessfully searching for an .iso with menus, I decided to learn Encore in my spare time over the past few days. I just finished building an .iso with simple but effective menus. I do not have chapters implemented yet and at this point, have no plans to, as I lent my official Blu-Rays out and don’t have the proper marker times or chapter titles available. I see now, after the fact of doing the work, that another contributor here has been working for some time on menus that appear to be much more sophisticated than mine. In any case, I am happy to make this BD .iso available to the community but I would prefer if Harmy weighed in first before I let it out. I based the BD off of the AVCHD and I chose to eliminate the ‘isolated score’ audio track, in favor of including Harmy’s featurette ‘Introducing the Despecialized Edition and its Sources’ on the disc. I did not have room on the disc for both and the isolated score seemed like the least important track for a viewing experience. I feel it’s important that people that may acquire this disc know what went into it even if they are not ‘in the know’ about this community so I wanted to include Harmy’s youtube vid. Again, if you want me to take that out/off the disc, I can easily do that before making it available to the masses. Also, my projects are all easily updatable for the newer versions yet to come. I have not built the menus for ESB or ROTJ yet. I can post screen grabs of the menu pages if anyone is interested.

Thanks!

So after my last post, it occurred to me that pretty much everything is on the internet… I found a chapter list that is close enough to allow me to go through and mark the chapter breaks quickly, so I will add chapters. I also found reference earlier in this thread that the .mkv is a better file to transfer to blu-ray.
So I downloaded it and demuxed it with tsmuxer. Somehow, the main .dts audio tracks are showing as way longer than the film. Track 1 is over 3 hours long according to the time slider. However if I scrub through it there is no dead air, and there is no distortion like anything got stretched. Whether I bring it into Encore or VLC, it’s still an hour longer than the film on the timeline. All the .dts tracks are long. Track 1) 3 hrs. 10 min. Track 2) 3 hours 14 min. Track 3) 2 hours 51 min. Anyone know why this is happening and how I can mux them to the right length? I’d like to be able to offer a BD .iso with the best quality content. I’m assuming that the DTS-HD audio is superior to the Dolby Digital offered in the AVCHD, and that the video track in the .mkv, being over double the size of the AVCHD, is higher quality encoding, and worth exchanging… Thoughts?

vfxhooker said:

So after my last post, it occurred to me that pretty much everything is on the internet… I found a chapter list that is close enough to allow me to go through and mark the chapter breaks quickly, so I will add chapters. I also found reference earlier in this thread that the .mkv is a better file to transfer to blu-ray.
So I downloaded it and demuxed it with tsmuxer. Somehow, the main .dts audio tracks are showing as way longer than the film. Track 1 is over 3 hours long according to the time slider. However if I scrub through it there is no dead air, and there is no distortion like anything got stretched. Whether I bring it into Encore or VLC, it’s still an hour longer than the film on the timeline. All the .dts tracks are long. Track 1) 3 hrs. 10 min. Track 2) 3 hours 14 min. Track 3) 2 hours 51 min. Anyone know why this is happening and how I can mux them to the right length? I’d like to be able to offer a BD .iso with the best quality content. I’m assuming that the DTS-HD audio is superior to the Dolby Digital offered in the AVCHD, and that the video track in the .mkv, being over double the size of the AVCHD, is higher quality encoding, and worth exchanging… Thoughts?

First of all, I think you could’ve gotten the chapters from the MKV itself.

Secondly, if you’re using tsmuxer, just mux it directly into a blu-ray rather than demux it.

But that is a known problem for demuxing those dts files, for some reason. If you really need to demux and remux, say to make a menu or something, you can patch in the DTS files again correctly using multiAVCHD once your image is otherwise finished.

I was not aware of the chapter markers being exposed in the MKV. Will take a look. Yes the whole reason for these past couple posts has been because I did make menus and built an .iso from the AVCHD and wanted to make this image available to people. Now that I realize the MKV is higher quality, I was going to rebuild with that before I release it. From the few posts I’ve seen, I’m assuming that there are quite a few people who would like to be able to play a disc with menus in there hardware players. In any case, thanks for the reply, I’ll see if I can get the .dts tracks fixed and move forward.

Got it. I was just going to include the 8 most important audio tracks for primarily English speakers. Kind of a stop-gap measure for those that would like one. According to the Encore CS6 docs, it does support DTS-HD for blu-ray. If this is not something anyone is interested in I won’t bother. I just figured I’d already done the work and wanted to give something back to the community that made it possible for me to see these movies the way I did when I was a kid.

Ok, cool. I will see what I can come up with and post an update as needed. Like I said, I was just looking at this as a stop-gap to fill the void between now and when the eventual 1080p v3.0 project(s) are completed. I may have missed this, but, is Star Wars going to see a 1080p release in v3.0 along with ESB and ROTJ?

Yes, 3.0 will come in 1080p. It would be interesting to know, in which GB regions the 1080p version will be released, BD-50 maybe? If it would be a BD-25 release, I would personally prefer 720p in this case because there is enough space for a higher video bit rate which is making a 1080p version obsolete, like the current releases. I did not notice any great difference (besides the colors!) on my calibrated TV comparing a screenshot from the official Blu Ray with a identical frame taken from the DE, besides the fucked up colors…

I’m also working on a blu Ray set in encore (the thread for which you should be able to find a ways down on this forum) using despecialized and yes, encore can handle DTS-HD and other 5.1 audio, although it can be a bit difficult and there’s certainly a process to it. Not quite drag and drop.

TR2N said:

Yes, 3.0 will come in 1080p. It would be interesting to know, in which GB regions the 1080p version will be released, BD-50 maybe? If it would be a BD-25 release, I would personally prefer 720p in this case because there is enough space for a higher video bit rate which is making a 1080p version obsolete, like the current releases. I did not notice any great difference (besides the colors!) on my calibrated TV comparing a screenshot from the official Blu Ray with a identical frame taken from the DE.

In that case, I would prefer a BD-50 1080p most definitely.

vfx: Here’s what I did with Harmy’s - include my 8 audio tracks and link to them in Encore as normal. I just reused AC3 tracks that load properly. Export the whole thing, open the image in AVCHD and replace the audio tracks and re-save it.

@Darth Lucas: Cool… I’ll check it out. I don’t mean to step on any toes… I just hadn’t found a set with menus yet and wanted to share the ones I made for myself. My initial inclination after reading the responses is to make different images to accommodate different potential wants/needs. The only issue then becomes hosting. I’ve never done that outside of dropbox.

@Towne: Thanks for that! I just installed multiAVCHD and will give this a shot. I’m a little outside my area of expertise with the AV/TECH. I’ve been a VFX Artist since 1998 mainly working in CGI and compositing heavy pipelines on episodic, commercial, and film. Currently heavy in iOS game development… So this is uncharted territory for me.

vfxhooker said:

@Darth Lucas: Cool… I’ll check it out. I don’t mean to step on any toes… I just hadn’t found a set with menus yet and wanted to share the ones I made for myself. My initial inclination after reading the responses is to make different images to accommodate different potential wants/needs. The only issue then becomes hosting. I’ve never done that outside of dropbox.

There are no toes being stepped on at all! I think most people agree the more projects that people bring out the better. 😃

Never mind.

IMAX is something like 1.4:1

Actually, I think The Phantom Menace was shot in 35mm, while framed for 2.35:1 and only ever presented in that fashion (and the only Prequel to even be shot on film), it may be the lone standout Star Wars film to have been matted and therefore have more picture to offer. You’ll never see that happen, and frankly who wants to see any more of TPM, but the material may exist out there somewhere.

Just to be clear, it is a rare circumstance where those black bars are hiding anything, and on the cases where they are, the covered footage usually was not intended to be seen and would be less polished than the portion originally framed for (especially in SFX heavy films, as there’s little reason to perfect effects in parts of an image not intended to be seen). Take 4:3 “Fullscreen” video (or “Fullframe” older films), on a modern TV you see black bars on the side, you can’t believe there is video they’re hiding on the sides (well, except for movies that WERE widescreen and then cropped in the CRT era to “fit your TV”), in that same way there’s not likely something hidden in black bars at the top and bottom of an extra wide video presentation.