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Clearly an ESL situation...at least I hope so.
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Why it's only 720p? what about 1080p?
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Slightly longer answer: Easier to work with, smaller file size, no real visible difference, having to pull from SD sources makes 720p a good middle ground.
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The “no real visible difference” is the most important element. The Blu-ray 1080p transfers are roughly the same resolution as they would be at 720p. There is little to be gained but file size to go 1080p.
“That’s impossible, even for a computer!”
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But why the official SW Blu-Ray is 1080p (as well as majority of other movies' releases)?
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Mavericks said:
But why the official SW Blu-Ray is 1080p (as well as majority of other movies' releases)?
Other Blu-ray releases often have enough effective resolution to justify a 1080p encode. This is not the case with the Star Wars Blu-ray.
The Star Wars Blu-ray is encoded at 1080p, yes, but that doesn't mean that the screwed-up 2K 2004 Lowry master they used to produce it requires that much resolution. Harmy's experiments show that very little detail is lost in downscaling it to 720p.
1080p is not magically better than any other resolution. Upscaling an old DVD to 1080p doesn't magically make it look better, for instance, and is only justified when you're using a TV that exhibits terrible motion resolution when displaying non-native resolution material.
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The Lowry master isn't 2K, just 1080p
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Right, the 97 SE was scanned at 2k to do the CG work.pittrek said:
The Lowry master isn't 2K, just 1080p
Yes, the 97 SE could theoretically be higher quality than the 2011 SE.
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pittrek said:
The Lowry master isn't 2K, just 1080p
Ouch :-O
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Great answers thank you all!! The main reason why I asked it was that I own a Sony Bravia Triluminos KDL W9 series TV and both DVD and BD versions of OT didn't look so impressive. As for some especial effects in the former, ships (especially in motion) showed up as late '70s - early 80's technique, the colorization interaction between back ground and front side artificial moving objects was too primitive and obvious (fighters in Death Star battle, Tie-fighters' attack on the Falcon, Imperial Star Destroyers in ESB looked like they were fixed and the surrounding context was being moved or something like that), all lacking flexibility and 3D illusion feel like it would be really made of rock materials - steel, iron and so on. SE graphics looked awful, you could see not real, but pure CGI. Interesting though, seeing at theater produced opposite impression.During the attack on Falcon episode in ANH, I clearly saw green boxes around one of the fighters.
As for BD, was disappointed either: all the artificially created objects (Star destroyers, fighters) looked as perfectly designed 3D animation and no more. Can't they achieve more real-like effects or Lucas just returned to SW saga too early and even back in late '90 CGI technique didn't arrive at highest real-like delivery? Or is it all about current LCD development? Are projectors really better?
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Huh?
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I understand the words but unfortunately have no idea what you were trying to say
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Huh?
I think he's trying to say that the CGI on the DVD and Blu-ray looked terrible on his TV and he's wondering why Lucas' team didn't do a better job.
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In short: DVD and BD versions of OT didn't hide all dubious artifacts of the special effects of the era. It mostly affected objects (ships) in motion. I noticed green boxes around Imperial Fighters (remember the scene of Millennium Falcon escape from the Death Star?). BD version looked on my TV as a very cool 3D game. My guess is that the only great watching is watching in the cinema theater or using a projector. SE computer graphics looks mediocre on my TV etc etc. Does anyone experience the same?
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In short: DVD and BD versions of OT didn't hide all dubious artifacts of the special effects of the era. It most affected objects (ships) in motion.
This is true and it's not because Lucas' team lacked sufficiently-advanced technology or was on a limited budget.
It's because they did a rushed half-assed job and only "improved" the original FX that they considered to be most noticeable.
Lucas was (surprisingly) happy enough with this shoddy work to call it his "original vision" or whatever...
Yuck.
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Mavericks: You can thank [redacted] over at forums.stevehoffman.tv for his crappy amateur color-correction job on the 2004 DVDs. Here's an example...
JEDIT: As always, I'm sorry for adding to the derailment, Harmy.
JEDIT 2: Redacted a username to protect the not-so-innocent innocent.
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True. (By "the era" I meant the time when OT was created), so surprisingly they were unable to deliver on DVD and even Blu-Ray the same quality that would match theatrical quality which let's recognize was at least viewable. Damn it! Recall when all were jumping from joy:"just wait for this Super Extra Blu-Ray quality, superb, crisp picture!" And nothing. If you compare current versions to some hits then on any modern TV they look way better than this highly anticipated SW edition and that's why I don't feel materiality of CGI - even in prequels, though the latters seem to be more flexible, but that's all where it ends up. Wish he never made this SE until now..
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pittrek said:
The Lowry master isn't 2K, just 1080p
2K: 2048 × 1080
1080p: 1920 × 1080
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fridayweb said:
pittrek said:
The Lowry master isn't 2K, just 1080p
2K: 2048 × 1080
1080p: 1920 × 1080
So ... ?
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So ... no sprocket holes!
However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
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pittrek said:
fridayweb said:
pittrek said:
The Lowry master isn't 2K, just 1080p
2K: 2048 × 1080
1080p: 1920 × 1080
So ... ?
4K: 4096 x 2160
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Had a question for everyone about v2.5. (But first my thanks to Harmy. What you've done goes far beyond just making people like me feel like a kid again back in the summer of 1977. You've actually made an incredible contribution to the history of film preservation.)
I noticed that, for me, the first audio track (I assume its the 70mm six-track mix since it shows up as Track 1 DTS) gets interrupted by George Lucas droning on and on right after Luke meets Ben and we see the shot of the landspeeder outside his house. So I'm wondering if I did something wrong when I burned this to Blu-ray, or if that track is really supposed to surprise us like that when we watch the movie. ;)
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Well, I can only assume that somehow the '93 commentary track got flagged as default when you built your BD.
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first of all a huge thanks to harmy for the set, and sorry if I'm hijacking the thread but I just downloaded the ESB AVCHD Harmy despecialized and doesn't have english subtitles, coming with a hearing impairment problem I really appreciate all the releases that feature it like the ANH 2.1 I got recently in myspleen too, so my question is if there's a way to add the subs file into this avchd to reburn it for bluray playback.