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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 427

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yoda-sama said:

I know the proper channels and all, but ignoring all that

Boo-urns!!!

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stretch009 said:

Moth3r said:

poita said:

dblake83 said:

I have requested a myspleen invite many times over the years but never received one. So usenet will be my only hope and I know I'm not alone. I'm patient and sure it will show up over the next few weeks. Huge Thanks in advance to the future usenet poster.

It is currently upping to usenet.

Thanks - but which group? Can't see it in a.b.starwars.

I was wondering the same thing.  I also tried general usenet search engines but to no avail.

 

Do, or do not. There is no try.

In this case, it looks like someone followed that advice ;)

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While I understand the desire to keep Harmy's RAR parts intact without repacking,
in this case it means each part comprise 2101 messages.
Some news client (mine) will choke when >512 messages per file.
Looks like jd for me :)

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Harmy said:

I do believe they could do better than this, seeing as how I'm using old LD masters for many shots and the whole thing is still a bit of a patch-work.

Would a 4K transfer of a Technicolor print be the definitive original version?

Is George Lucas the only obstacle to accomplishing this?

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YanniD said:

Harmy said:

I do believe they could do better than this, seeing as how I'm using old LD masters for many shots and the whole thing is still a bit of a patch-work.

Would a 4K transfer of a Technicolor print be the definitive original version?

Is George Lucas the only obstacle to accomplishing this?

Attempting to define the "definitive original version" of Star Wars is an impossible task, so don't start crawling down that rabbit hole.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Print-variations-in-77-Star-Wars/topic/14705/

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Credits-Leaders-Thread/topic/12960/

Which crawl variation do you want to include?

Which credit variation do you want to include?

Which soundtrack do you want to include?

Which colors do you want to match? (Most people didn't see an IB Technicolor print of Star Wars when it came out in '77. Furthermore, the contrast and saturation changes introduced by Technicolor imbibition process means that the colors of an IB Technicolor print are rather different from a '77 print on Eastman stock.)

I can go on and on...

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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YanniD said:

Harmy said:

I do believe they could do better than this, seeing as how I'm using old LD masters for many shots and the whole thing is still a bit of a patch-work.

Would a 4K transfer of a Technicolor print be the definitive original version?

Is George Lucas the only obstacle to accomplishing this?

Realize that a Technicolor print is several generations removed from the negative. Also realize that there are several steps between the original negative and a release print. After the negative is cut, you make an Interpositive or IP and then you make an Internegative or IN. It is from the IN that you make release prints. Then there's another step called separation masters, in which the original negative is printed on three different strips of B&W film that represent the RBG spectrum of the original color negative (b&w film is much more stable than color film). 

Each of these elements exist in various forms, and a decent restoration could be achieved of the original version without having to go scanning a release print. 

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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yoda-sama said:

Not sure if anyone else has noticed this yet, but the project is getting a little more attention (a coworker that didn't know about this project or that I follow it found this article and showed it to me). 

http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/the-making-of-the-best-version-of-star-wars...-which-of-course-you-cant-get

The moment I saw the author refer to this movie as 'A New Hope', I stopped reading & died a little inside.

Jackasses like this are a small part of what killed Star Wars as it was. When you have a few million small parts like this, you get a world where it's accepted & we get films like the prequels & the 4th Indiana Jones film. :(

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RATLSNAKE said:

yoda-sama said:

Not sure if anyone else has noticed this yet, but the project is getting a little more attention (a coworker that didn't know about this project or that I follow it found this article and showed it to me). 

http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/the-making-of-the-best-version-of-star-wars...-which-of-course-you-cant-get

The moment I saw the author refer to this movie as 'A New Hope', I stopped reading & died a little inside.

Jackasses like this are a small part of what killed Star Wars as it was. When you have a few million small parts like this, you get a world where it's accepted & we get films like the prequels & the 4th Indiana Jones film. :(

In all fairness, it is not his fault he grew up with the ANH crawl, it is Lucas' fault.  All we can hope to do is reeducate with accurate restorations and resolutely correcting inaccuracies when we find them (perhaps you should leave a comment on that page to make the author aware of his misinformation).  But I get where you're coming from, and it is sad how well some aspects of the revisionist history of Star Wars have stuck so well.

(Oh, and another way it could be taken [now that I've reread the article], besides him just trying to be clear to others who know even less than him about the project and earlier changes to Star Wars, is that when he says "Despecialized Edition of A New Hope", it could be referring to the SE Star Wars as A New Hope, which the Despecializtion effectively undoes...  Or to better word, while the film Harmy made is specifically original theatrical "Star Wars", it would still be accurate to refer to it as the Despecialized Edition OF A New Hope, since that was the source it was despecialized from.  Just a fun thought.  And actually, that line of thinking would even clear the way for BD cover art with Ep IV ANH DeEd emblazoned across it.  Let the arguments commence.)

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RATLSNAKE said:

yoda-sama said:

Not sure if anyone else has noticed this yet, but the project is getting a little more attention (a coworker that didn't know about this project or that I follow it found this article and showed it to me). 

http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/the-making-of-the-best-version-of-star-wars...-which-of-course-you-cant-get

The moment I saw the author refer to this movie as 'A New Hope', I stopped reading & died a little inside.

Jackasses like this are a small part of what killed Star Wars as it was. When you have a few million small parts like this, you get a world where it's accepted & we get films like the prequels & the 4th Indiana Jones film. :(

Calling a film by its most commonly understood name when writing something intended for large exposure to the general public is not being a "jackass". It's doing things right.

ROTJ Storyboard Reconstruction Project

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Calling a film by its most commonly understood name when writing something intended for large exposure to the general public is not being a "jackass". It's doing things right.

I agree. There's no other name that points to the correct film as accurately, though my experience in talking to non-fanatics has been that the name isn't all that well recognized. The film doesn't really have a truly common name. "Star Wars" is generally understood to refer to the franchise as a whole as much as the first film. Even if you say "the first one," you often have to qualify that you mean the one from 1977, not the first episode (The Phantom Menace). "A New Hope" as a name was of course supposed to become the film's common name but it never fully caught on. Empire and Jedi's posters both clearly spelled out their episode titles and put "Star Wars" in small letters overhead, but ANH always just kept its original logo treatment on posts and boxes and stuff. If he'd wanted to make it stick, Lucas probably should have rebranded the film more strongly with "A New Hope" from the early 80s on.

 

Also he probably should have picked a better title than "A New Hope," which isn't very catchy and doesn't do a very good job of explaining what the movie is about since it's the first one and the viewer doesn't really know that hope had been lost and thus why a new hope would be needed, especially considering that the film itself doesn't even do a very good job of establishing just how bad life inside the empire is as compared to however it was before, nor for that matter do the prequels do a good job of showing what life was like before the Empire and how it changed, aside from that all those Jedi who were killed. But let's not digress too far. Can't we get back to annoying Harmy by discussing how yellow Ben's first appearance should be?

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Designed a simple menu in multiAVCHD. I did have to restrict this version to six audio tracks and I can't quite figure out how to adjust the audio descriptions so they're not truncated, but it works for the short-term. Slow learning curve for me...............................

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ray_afraid said:

^Certainly more people call it "Star Wars" than "A New Hope".

True, but Star Wars could refer to the film, the trilogy, the (gack!) saga, or the franchise. There are cases where you need some way to specify one meaning because you can't get it entirely from context--I've certainly had to do it once or twice.

And you can either say "Star Wars--er, the first film... er, no, not episode one, episode four... er, except it doesn't have an episode number... uh, what was I saying again?", or you can say A New Hope.

The terminology may not be accurate, but if it communicates the needed information correctly, and it doesn't require the listener to have any especially deep knowledge of the subject just to unpack the terms, the term has done its job.  I friggen' hate calling it A New Hope personally, but I can see its utility in certain contexts.

EDIT: davextreme said it first :(

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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I just call it "Star Wars" and when people ask "which one?" I repeat "Star Wars" until they figure it out. It usually only takes a single repeat for people to catch on.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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RATLSNAKE said:

The moment I saw the author refer to this movie as 'A New Hope', I stopped reading & died a little inside. ... When you have a few million small parts like this, you get a world where it's accepted ... :(

Hear! Hear!
So ... would someone with an account on Wikipedia go to George Lucas filmography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lucas_filmography to correct this entry ..

.. and edit the 1977 entry name of "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope" back to "Star Wars", with a "Notes" entry to indicate that the name was changed to "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope" in 1981 for Lucas' "Special Edition" re-edit? (Use "Star Wars: The Changes - Part One" http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-one.html as a reference if you can't find a better one.) Because a tearful ghost of Obi-Wan Kenobi is watching from beyond the force  ... 

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Oops, grabbed the date from the wrong picture-caption (Fox logo). I've corrected it above from "1997" to "1981". Thanks for the catch, yoda-sama & CatBus!

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I think you mean he changed it in the 80's for VHS, Television and--if I'm not mistaken--theatrical rereleases.  The title was not a new change for the '97 SE's.

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yoda-sama said:

I think you mean he changed it in the 80's for VHS, Television and--if I'm not mistaken--theatrical rereleases.  The title was not a new change for the '97 SE's.

Yes, the "A New Hope" crawl was added in '81, but the packaging for the films (i.e. Laserdisc and VHS boxes) and other materials still called the film Star Wars pretty consistently until the Special Editions.  A New Hope wasn't used because, at the time, nobody would have known what movie they were talking about--very few people called it that.

I think the statement was that even after the crawl was added, Lucasfilm didn't see any point in wholesale renaming one of the world's most popular movies (i.e. in packaging and related items) until the nineties.

EDIT: Actually I think there was a transitional period where there were big and little titles on the boxes.  i.e. Empire would say in tiny text "Star Wars" and then in big text "The Empire Strikes Back", and Jedi would follow the same pattern, but Star Wars was inverted and said "Star Wars" in big text and "A New Hope" in tiny text, again, kinda admitting that the big text represented the name people knew the movie by.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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DragoonClawNZ said:

I've decided to go with the route of using DVD Architect and inserting everything via BDFix.

I'm still building the menus which are basic but are straight to the point.

For the main menu, it'll play the animation that Harmy did a while ago, then to a still frame at the end with the options added on.

Here's what I've done so far:

I mentioned before that I intended to add in the bonus features from the earlier releases also.

I really like this menu design :)

Hopefully Harmy can figure out his Blu-ray software issues pretty soon or someone with good Blu-ray software can help him out. But this menu looks really good as a way to give the viewer the feel of the original Star Wars

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yoda-sama said:

RATLSNAKE said:

yoda-sama said:

Not sure if anyone else has noticed this yet, but the project is getting a little more attention (a coworker that didn't know about this project or that I follow it found this article and showed it to me). 

http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/the-making-of-the-best-version-of-star-wars...-which-of-course-you-cant-get

The moment I saw the author refer to this movie as 'A New Hope', I stopped reading & died a little inside.

Jackasses like this are a small part of what killed Star Wars as it was. When you have a few million small parts like this, you get a world where it's accepted & we get films like the prequels & the 4th Indiana Jones film. :(

In all fairness, it is not his fault he grew up with the ANH crawl, it is Lucas' fault.  All we can hope to do is reeducate with accurate restorations and resolutely correcting inaccuracies when we find them (perhaps you should leave a comment on that page to make the author aware of his misinformation).  But I get where you're coming from, and it is sad how well some aspects of the revisionist history of Star Wars have stuck so well.

(Oh, and another way it could be taken [now that I've reread the article], besides him just trying to be clear to others who know even less than him about the project and earlier changes to Star Wars, is that when he says "Despecialized Edition of A New Hope", it could be referring to the SE Star Wars as A New Hope, which the Despecializtion effectively undoes...  Or to better word, while the film Harmy made is specifically original theatrical "Star Wars", it would still be accurate to refer to it as the Despecialized Edition OF A New Hope, since that was the source it was despecialized from.  Just a fun thought.  And actually, that line of thinking would even clear the way for BD cover art with Ep IV ANH DeEd emblazoned across it.  Let the arguments commence.)

I also grew up with the newer crawl, however until the 1997 fiasco, the movie was still billed as Star Wars as was every home media release of it. No one called it A New Hope until after the dreaded 97 releases. Even then upon their release it wasn't even billed as A New Hope, more so just "Star Wars: The Special Edition".

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I was wondering what special features you were going to include on the extra disc other than your making of videos

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doubleKO said:

GOUT chapters

Ah, I didn't realize it was exactly the same as the retail releases.

Cheers for that!