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Luke1988 said:

O my god, finally i find a great edition of the first Star Wars in 1977! but i have a question, the archive M2TS can burn into a DVD9?

or, the version ISO on Dvd donde esta? i can't find this version to burn into a DVD9.

Thank you man, you due a great job on this!

I'm new in the forum :)

Star Wars: Despecialized Edition (also ESB:DE and ROTJ:DE) is available on Myspleen.org. You need an invitation to be sent to you in order to set up an account there. I'll send you a private message with a link to a Myspleen invite in it.

On Myspleen, you can find various versions of Star Wars: Despecialized. The AVCHD versions are able to be burned to a DVD9, but they require a Bluray player to watch them on your TV.

Also, version 1.0 of Depecialized Edition was released before the official blurays were released by Lucasfilm, so Harmy didn't use the official blurays as a source for the video when making them. Versions 2.0, 2.1 and the upcoming 2.5 of Star Wars:DE are sourced in part from the blurays.

AVCHD does not have any menus or special features; the upcoming v2.5 Bluray does, but Harmy isn't finished making them yet. This is why he is planning to perhaps release v2.5 as an MKV before releasing the Bluray, so people who just want the film itself don't have to wait for it.

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It will only take me a couple days to completely finish with all the new audio tracks, if that factors into it . . .

As a complete list, this would include the 70mm version newly upmixed with Prologic II, the digital copy of the stereo mix with the dropout errors removed, the mono mix with the proper fanfare at the beginning rather than the CD copy it curently has, and as a bonus my isolated score.

I haven't decided for sure, but at the moment I'm leaning towards encoding them as DTS-HD MA rather than TrueHD, since while Dolby files seem to have greater playback compatibility, they are apparently more complicated to use correctly in Bluray authoring.  But I think this should be investigated more thoroughly before I make a final decision on the matter.

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Well, if couple really means two in this case, I'll definitely wait.

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With Dolby TrueHD you have to give the authoring two files, one for Dolby Digital compatibility, and one for the Lossless audio.  DTS-HD MA is far easier to work with as it's all inside one file.

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hairy_hen said:

It will only take me a couple days to completely finish with all the new audio tracks, if that factors into it . . .

As a complete list, this would include the 70mm version newly upmixed with Prologic II, the digital copy of the stereo mix with the dropout errors removed, the mono mix with the proper fanfare at the beginning rather than the CD copy it curently has, and as a bonus my isolated score.

I haven't decided for sure, but at the moment I'm leaning towards encoding them as DTS-HD MA rather than TrueHD, since while Dolby files seem to have greater playback compatibility, they are apparently more complicated to use correctly in Bluray authoring.  But I think this should be investigated more thoroughly before I make a final decision on the matter.

That is fantastic. DTS-HD MA would be easier, as there is only the need for the one file. Most software players (inculding VLC) can at least decode the DTS core.

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Harmy said:

Well, if couple really means two in this case, I'll definitely wait.

I don't know a MUX from a Mars Bar ..... but would love to have hairy_hen's latest 5.1 mix (just amazing that it can be even better than it already is). Raises hand in support of wait for it.

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hairy_hen said:

I haven't decided for sure, but at the moment I'm leaning towards encoding them as DTS-HD MA rather than TrueHD, since while Dolby files seem to have greater playback compatibility, they are apparently more complicated to use correctly in Bluray authoring.  But I think this should be investigated more thoroughly before I make a final decision on the matter.

As I understand it, TrueHD is only more complicated because it requires an embedded DD track for legacy system support, since it doesn't use a "core" arrangement like DTS-HD.

However, if you have a TrueHD track, I believe Eac3to.exe will decode the soundtrack and re-encode to DD plus embed it correctly in the file if you specify output.thd+ac3:  it's only a single file.

Anyway, I expect either TrueHD or DTS-HD MA will be equally well supported on Bluray players:  it's mainly mkv versions that often experience problems in media players due to the "generosity" of the studios influencing the manufacturers.

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I vote for releasing an mkv with just the basics what we have now:  we've been down the waiting path before.

Muxing additional tracks into an mkv is not rocket science or brain surgery and it means the mkv is the minimum size it needs to be.  I already removed a number of tracks from the previous mkv because they were not relevant to my needs, yet I had to download them in the first place.

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If the lossless tracks will be ready in the next few days, as Hairy Hen indicated, you should definitely wait. Might as well have the most complete package possible out there, it's only a couple more days after all.

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Stinky-Dinkins said:

Might as well have the most complete package possible out there

 

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All of my standalone equipment is Dolby. Matter of fact, until somewhat recently, I have noticed that it was difficult to locate any equipment that supports DTS. My Sony BD player supports DTS, but I'm not sure how that will translate to my Dolby Digital receiver. I'm not so sure that sticking with ONLY DTS is a good idea.

Ah hell, what do I know.

It’s really sad when the “creative minds” behind something we hold dear are also guilty of its destruction.

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Nearsighted Scrappile said:

All of my standalone equipment is Dolby. Matter of fact, until somewhat recently, I have noticed that it was difficult to locate any equipment that supports DTS. My Sony BD player supports DTS, but I'm not sure how that will translate to my Dolby Digital receiver. I'm not so sure that sticking with ONLY DTS is a good idea.

Only the oldest equipment was Dolby Digital only, then receivers implemented DTS, then basic HDMI (multichannel LPCM), then TrueHD and DTS-HD MA (over HDMI) decoding.  There's nothing wrong with older equipment I might add, just that it is generally more limited in decoding capability.

One way around lack of decoding capability in the receiver is to perform the decoding in the player and output either multichannel analogue (via 3 sets of stereo leads) or multichannel LPCM (via HDMI).  This requires the capability in the player and the ability of the receiver to accept it as input.

I would suggest looking into the capabilities of your existing equipment to better understand what audio formats you can ultimately handle:  it's not just about the receiver.

Your comment raises an interesting question about society in general:  do we implement only for the majority, or do we find a way to satisfy as many minority requirements as possible too?

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Your comment raises an interesting question about society in general:  do we implement only for the majority, or do we find a way to satisfy as many minority requirements as possible too?

What sort of gear do the majority have? I doubt that any of us here are in a position to answer that question with any sort of authority. What I do, and what the group of people I know do, is plain old anecdotal evidence and not necessarily an indication of anything.

Perhaps the question should be what will provide the greatest level of compatibility to ensure that the maximum number of people possible will have access to this historic material.

But - I've contributed bugger all to this effort, so this is my opinion and not a suggestion.

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Like everyone here, I am totally and completely stoked at hearing news of v2.5's imminent release:

Harmy said:

OK, so it is rendered. Now how should I approach this? Release the mkv with just the basic AC3 '77 mixes and let everyone mux in other tracks themselves or wait for the lossless and newly encoded tracks to become available?

 

I am NOT trying to potentially add to any significant further delay or increase the workload of our absolutely first-rate restoration team, but I was curious as to if the English, German, and French featurette subtitles have been added?  Also, was there ever a Spanish or other language translations completed?

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As to adding subtitles - it would be good to have subtitles in different languages for it for the BD as well, so if you guys do make subs for this, it would be great, if you could send them to me :-)

 

 

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Airwave said:

 

My pleasure. Thanks for doing the subtitles. I decided to do another read of your updated version to see if I missed something while reading it the first time. I have two small corrections. At the start, in "[ Introducing The Sources ]", "the" and "sources" should not be capitalized (alternatively, capitalize the whole thing). Also, "X-wing" is spelled with a lowercase w.

In addition, this time I decided to check that all references to users on this forum and their projects were spelled and capitalized the way they do it themselves. I have the following corrections to usernames and project names:
Dark Jedi -> dark_jedi
Team Negative One -> team negative1
Puggo Grande -> Puggo GRANDE

This is the way they themselves spell it, so I figured we should respect that.

 

I have made all of your recommended changes with a few exceptions.

First, I view the "Introducing" line as somewhat of a subtitle for the video, so "Introducing the sources" looks wrong to me. Alternatively, "INTRODUCING THE SOURCES" might be read as shouting. Instead, I've changed it to "Introducing the Sources", which matches the capitalization format in the German and French subtitles provided here.

Second, I wrote "Team Negative1" they way they signed their recent post in this thread.

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You can capitalize both the names or leave as is, whichever is easier. Thanks.

Team Negative1

I'm pretty confident in saying that no one around here is interested in the "easiest" option. If we liked easy, we'd just accept that the original version of Star Wars was lost a long, long time ago.  ;)

Let us know if you'd like your group name written in any different way.

 

Additionally, I have made these same edits in the German and French subtitles that were provided to me by GeorgeKaplan1959 and johnlocke2342, respectively, since they're mostly concerned with proper names that were rightfully not translated.

Here are my edited versions of all three .srt files (English, German, & French):

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108143349/Sources-Doc_English_edit2.srt

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108143349/Sources-Doc_German_edit2.srt

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108143349/Sources-Doc_French_edit1.srt

For those who are able and willing, additional proof-checking any any of these subtitles is always appreciated. And as always, the latest versions of any subtitles I receive will be uploaded to play alongside the video on YouTube, available at the link below:

http://youtu.be/dHfLX_TMduY

 

 

Along with Harmy, of course hairy_hen is busy at in an effort to complete a highly anticipated NEW set of audio tracks for the v2.5 release:

hairy_hen said:

It will only take me a couple days to completely finish with all the new audio tracks, if that factors into it . . .

As a complete list, this would include the 70mm version newly upmixed with Prologic II, the digital copy of the stereo mix with the dropout errors removed, the mono mix with the proper fanfare at the beginning rather than the CD copy it curently has, and as a bonus my isolated score.

I haven't decided for sure, but at the moment I'm leaning towards encoding them as DTS-HD MA rather than TrueHD, since while Dolby files seem to have greater playback compatibility, they are apparently more complicated to use correctly in Bluray authoring.  But I think this should be investigated more thoroughly before I make a final decision on the matter.

 

I know there was a lot of support a couple months ago behind an audio restoration equivalent featurette by hairy_hen…again, I was just curious if it is completed, still potentially in the works, or side-bared for now?

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Moth3r said:

Excellent feature Harmy, really good to highlight all the problems with the official releases.

Would be nice to see Hairy Hen do something about the restoration of the 70mm mix.

Also, does everyone pronounce AVISynth as "avvysynth" or is it just you? ;-)

It is indeed an excellent video, and a great way to show the uninitiated what some of the problems are, and what a gargantuan task it was fix them by combining all those different sources together.

If there is interest in something similar for the audio side of things, I'll see what I can come up with.

 

MANY thanks to the ALL the good folks that have contributed to this absolutely amazing project!  Again, my interest in asking about the above is NOT in an effort to significantly increase either Harmy or hairy_hen's already full plates OR to unnecessarily delay this project…but if waiting a short while longer would make for a BETTER overall project, I for one would gladly do so!

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First off, I'm very intrigued by the possibilities of Hairy_Hen's new process, so I'm completely in support of waiting for his results.  When it comes to DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA almost seems to be the go to standard by most studios, I'm actually rather surprised whenever I see a disc that goes with Dolby TrueHD.  So, whether it has the best support or not (and many of the dirt cheap Blu-ray players only seem to do stereo decoding for DTS-HD MA), DTS-HD MA may be the more 'professional' route to go with.

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yoda-sama said:


First off, I'm very intrigued by the possibilities of Hairy_Hen's new process, so I'm completely in support of waiting for his results.  When it comes to DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA almost seems to be the go to standard by most studios, I'm actually rather surprised whenever I see a disc that goes with Dolby TrueHD.  So, whether it has the best support or not (and many of the dirt cheap Blu-ray players only seem to do stereo decoding for DTS-HD MA), DTS-HD MA may be the more 'professional' route to go with.
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So the video has been rendered, audio is just days away from being finished if it isn't done already, so the only thing left would be the Blu-ray menus and the special features? At the risk of being that guy that keeps asking but can we get an ETA on the finalized Blu-ray package that will come after the bare bones MKV? The sooner this gets done the sooner we can start talking about Empire and Jedi. I'm so excited for this, in fact between this and Adywan's project I don't think I much care for Episode VII 

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I'd say a month if I'm being optimistic - it could be sooner but it's not very probable.

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A_New_Hope said:

I was curious as to if the English, German, and French featurette subtitles have been added?  Also, was there ever a Spanish or other language translations completed?

Hey guys, I hadn't brought up the subject of subtitles for the "Sources Doc" featurette since it seemed the conversation had moved on to bigger and better things; but since it's been mentioned again in relation to including it on the BD release of v2.5, here's the current status of the subtitles for the featurette:

I provided the download links for all of the most current/final versions of subtitle .srt files a few posts after the one A_New_Hope quoted; here are the links again:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108143349/Sources-Doc_English_edit3.srt

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108143349/Sources-Doc_French_edit2.srt

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108143349/Sources-Doc_German_edit3.srt

Note that I never received any subtitles for languages besides the three above: English, French, & German.

User "ww12345" offered to work on a Spanish translation; his last post [on 09 Jun 2013] was:

ww12345 said:

I'm working on it - it will just take a little time (as I'm not a fully fluent speaker, so I'm translating and then checking for accuracy/logical phrasing with a friend).

This thread's conversation moved on after that. So, allow me to once again extend the invitation for additional translations of the featurette. Use the provided .srt files above, and (for convenience) view the video on YouTube here: http://youtu.be/dHfLX_TMduY

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yoda-sama said:

First off, I'm very intrigued by the possibilities of Hairy_Hen's new process, so I'm completely in support of waiting for his results.  When it comes to DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA almost seems to be the go to standard by most studios, I'm actually rather surprised whenever I see a disc that goes with Dolby TrueHD.  So, whether it has the best support or not (and many of the dirt cheap Blu-ray players only seem to do stereo decoding for DTS-HD MA), DTS-HD MA may be the more 'professional' route to go with.

IMO the studios go with DTS-HD MA because there aren't open source decoders available for it and therefore it is more difficult to playback in full resolution, thus thwarting 1:1 copying to some degree.  The media player manufacturers also frequently prevent bitstreaming of DTS-HD MA thus making full resolution playback of copies more difficult.  The same can not be said of TrueHD.

I think even the cheap Bluray players will bitstream DTS-HD MA or decode to multichannel LPCM via HDMI.  The whole point of HDMI/HDCP was to protect the high resolution from capture and perfect duplication by "pirates" and in that respect it is successful, so there is no point crippling that output.  I'm not sure if the cheap players only use the DTS core via HDMI, but I think it unlikely.

We must remember that lossless encoding says nothing about the quality of the source:  one can losslessly encode a 128kbps AC3 source to TrueHD but it will still sound crap.  Lossless encoding merely retains the existing quality of the source.  Lossy encoding can still be perfectly adequate if the  source was lossily encoded at a lower bitrate somewhere in its history.

Therefore, I think any release should have a lossless encode plus a high bitrate lossy encode of the competing audio format, for the highest quality source, as a minimum, to provide maximum consumer compatibility;  plus all soundtracks offered separately in lossless and lossy (both formats) depending on source quality for consumer selection.  This may mean DTS-HD MA plus DD 640 for the primary soundtrack.

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Perhaps release the mkv with DD audio tracks as standard and make the DTS-HD MA available for muxing?

I'd put the DTS-HD MA tracks as standard on the blu, however. If you're rocking blu ray, you should also be rocking DTS of some sort. Any receiver (of worth) made since well before the advent of blu ray should support DTS, surely.

And, yeah, worse case scenario: there's always the option to have the player decode the DTS for you (which you would already be doing, I should imagine).

That said, I have no preference. If there's room for duplicate Dolby TrueHD and regular DD tracks, without sacrificing video quality, then I don't see a problem in going that route.

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I don't think I should care as I "only" have a 32" HDTV with no other audio equipment other than the built-in speakers, but I think including a DTS-MA track, just like on the official Blu-ray, would be like sending a good "message" to Lucas. A message we'd keep to ourselves, of course. And, of course, we'd enjoy it greatly, thanks to Hairy_hen's work.

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