Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 18

Harmy said:

I don't know why I do these things to myself, cuz it took way more than just five minutes (although it was actually pretty easy) but here it is :-)

msycamore said:

Nice discovery. :) Must be a '97 alteration, am I right?

Harmy said:

Yeah, I didn't check but I'd suppose so. Anyway 005 already updated his comparisons with it and it says 97 and I'm sure he checked :-)

Yeah, it is a 97 change, just checked ;-)

Well, I did. Whatcha gonna do 'bout it?

doubleofive said:

 

Harmy said:

Yeah, I didn't check but I'd suppose so. Anyway 005 already updated his comparisons with it and it says 97 and I'm sure he checked :-)

I did not. Lazy 005, was Lazy.

You know where this conversation goes. ;-)

 Seriously though, I did follow your advice.

Lando Lakes said:

Great Harmy, so far ... love the red sky! ...now wasn't that easy enough?? ;)

Well, actually, no, it wasn't easy at all :-P It was really hard to match the colour as the shot is much darker in the SE and completely different colour. There was also a missing frame in one of the sources, which had to be accounted for and also, three seconds is fucking long to rotoscope something as detailed as a human face that is moving unpredictably. I had to denoise and enhance the GOUT background and match the grain of the SE, which was made much more visible by the brightening. And the result is still not perfect. But in the end, I'm glad I did it :-)

Harmy said:

Lando Lakes said:

Great Harmy, so far ... love the red sky! ...now wasn't that easy enough?? ;)

Well, actually, no, it wasn't easy at all :-P It was really hard to match the colour as the shot is much darker in the SE and completely different colour. There was also a missing frame in one of the sources, which had to be accounted for and also, three seconds is fucking long to rotoscope something as detailed as a human face that is moving unpredictably. I had to denoise and enhance the GOUT background and match the grain of the SE, which was made much more visible by the brightening. And the result is still not perfect. But in the end, I'm glad I did it :-)

doubleofive said:

 

Harmy said:

I don't know why I do these things to myself, cuz it took way more than just five minutes (although it was actually pretty easy) but here it is :-)

Love it. You just bumped what I was going to call "98% accurate" to "99% accurate". ;-)

And I bet you didn't know that I also fixed all these ;-)  :

(Didn't get rid of the haze completely but minimized it - and you can't see it in this picture but when you look closely, it's there in the GOUT as well, just not as prominent.)

(Left the recomped matte but got rid of the added pan)

And I could never have done this without your comparisons, so a big thank you is in order :-)

So you put back the holo-beam on R2? GREAT.

Harmy said:

doubleofive said:

Harmy said:
I don't know why I do these things to myself, cuz it took way more than just five minutes (although it was actually pretty easy) but here it is :-)

Love it. You just bumped what I was going to call "98% accurate" to "99% accurate". ;-)

And I bet you didn't know that I also fixed all these ;-)

How did you put those rocks back in the Landspeeder shot?

I just used the GOUT, it looked really good for that shot.

hey harmy,

One thing i noticed on the work print.  when han and luke are taking chewy to the prison cell and they are waiting for the elevator the lights in the matte painting are pulsating in the gout but not in the 2004 hd version.  have you thought about adding the pulsating.  i'd imagine it would be a nice little touch and probably not that hard to do...well, for you that is ;-)

Perhaps sometime when I'm not so tired I could tally up how many of 005's cataloged changes Harmy's versions will remedy and give him a composite score of accuracy. 

ESB would be ready to go already!

You'd probably get quite low on sheer numbers, because of the amount of recomped shots that I had to leave in.

I'll consider the blinking light but no promises. 

Yeah, you'd have to qualify what counts as a change.

Oh well, I guess this sort of thing isn't so objective.

Well, I definitely do count recomps as changes but a bit of a different kind, so when I say it'll be like 90% theatrically accurate, I mean not counting the recomps.

Harmy, here's the rest of my review:

40:30 - Gout seems to cut to Mos Eisley view just a frame later than Despecialized Edition. (no biggie, just something I noticed)

40:43 - Your re-created background of Mos Esiley seems to be a little less sharp than I remember seeing in your clips.

48:50 - I know you've already worked miracles with this scene. I just wish there was a way to reduce the jumpiness of the GOUT footage.

49:41 - The double wipe is still too noticeable. Can you do any more with GOUT footage, like blend it in as the fade gets darker?

1:21:10 (and 1:21:17) - Can the previous shot of the falcon in the hangar (which you restored beautifully) be zoomed in and used here?

1:25:40 - Obi Wan's saber seems to suffer from a small well-defined tip that extends beyond the fuzzy glow.

1:27:32 - Strange blue haze around the falcon's engines. Maybe that's supposed to be there, but it looks weird. It reminds me of the blue haze in the SE's death star explosion.

1:29:02 - Garbage matte around TIE is particularly noticeable. I hope you can tone this down.

1:55:29 - Sound drops off before credits finish. You probably know this though ;)

These are the only faults I can find. Otherwise, this is spectacular, and will probably be the only version (other than Revisited) that I allow to be shown in my house. Thanks!

1:25:40 was already discussed, it's a limit of working with the 2004 footage.

Erikstormtrooper said:

Harmy, here's the rest of my review:

40:30 - Gout seems to cut to Mos Eisley view just a frame later than Despecialized Edition. (no biggie, just something I noticed)

Actually it's just one frame and that happens a few times in the film but it will never be 100% frame accurate anyway and even different transfers of the original aren't frame accurate to each other, so like you say, it's no biggie :-)

40:43 - Your re-created background of Mos Esiley seems to be a little less sharp than I remember seeing in your clips.

Interesting, it's exactly the same clip as shown in the last two youtube vids.

48:50 - I know you've already worked miracles with this scene. I just wish there was a way to reduce the jumpiness of the GOUT footage.

Yeah, I wish that too but believe me, I tried, there's just nothing more I can do :-(

49:41 - The double wipe is still too noticeable. Can you do any more with GOUT footage, like blend it in as the fade gets darker?

I'm definitely not using GOUT for this, the drop in quality would be more noticeable than what's there now and to be honest, I like it the way it is and it was a lot of work, as I had to recreate parts of some of the frames to do it and I hope one wipe isn't going to be a deal breaker for anyone. 

1:21:10 (and 1:21:17) - Can the previous shot of the falcon in the hangar (which you restored beautifully) be zoomed in and used here?

I thought about that, but once you zoom it in, you get to pretty much the same (or even worse) quality as what it is now and it's not even the same painting. I wish I could find a higher quality source for that matte painting :-(

1:25:40 - Obi Wan's saber seems to suffer from a small well-defined tip that extends beyond the fuzzy glow.

Yeah, not much I can do about that one either but it's just one or two shots. I tried to make it less prominent but it's still there.

1:27:32 - Strange blue haze around the falcon's engines. Maybe that's supposed to be there, but it looks weird. It reminds me of the blue haze in the SE's death star explosion.

Again, I know about this issue and it appears a few times but sadly, there's not much I can do about that one either.

1:29:02 - Garbage matte around TIE is particularly noticeable. I hope you can tone this down.

Those should all be pretty much gone :-)

1:55:29 - Sound drops off before credits finish. You probably know this though ;)

Yeah, it's just a temp track :-)

These are the only faults I can find. Otherwise, this is spectacular, and will probably be the only version (other than Revisited) that I allow to be shown in my house. Thanks!

Thank you for checking the WP out and for giving me your feedback exactly the way I asked, you win the prize of the best WP reviewer so far ;-)

hairy_hen said:

Just finished watching the workprint.  Had only meant to flip through it a bit right then, and save an analysis for later, but I just couldn't stop looking at it!  lol

The compositing work is superb, you've got a lot to be proud of with that.  The colouring is already miles ahead of the 2004 version, and would be pretty watchable as it is.  However, there are still a number of issues with the colour, and tomorrow I'm going go go through it again and make a detailed list of everything I see.  Many of these issues are fixable, although some of them may not be, at least not without tedious work, but I'm sure we'd all like this to be the best it can be.  ;)

Thanks, I'm looking forward to what you'll come up with. I can't promise I'll be able to fix everything (although I'm already working on correcting the pink flashes, which is something I wasn't gonna do, but I probably won't catch them all.) but it's better to hear the suggestion now and find out if I can do anything about them, than to beat myself up over something I could have fixed, but wasn't pointed out to me until after release :-)