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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 145

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TServo2049 said:

dlvh said:

That would be great for all the fans that originally saw it, and know it was in there, in the summer of '77

I'm sorry, but it's been discussed inside and out on this forum how the scene doesn't exist, and why so many people remember it when it never happened.

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That would be great for all the fans that read the novelization over and over after the film was no longer in theaters, and thus mistakenly "remembered" the scene being in the actual film.

In a time before video, when the only way to see a movie was when it was in theaters, these kind of false memories happened. (In fact, even after video, people still "remembered" seeing extra scenes in the theater, like the infamous, nonexistent closeup of Anthony Hopkins cutting into Ray Liotta's brain in "Hannibal.")

I'm sorry, but it has been proven that this scene was only in the novelization. It wasn't in any version of the film, it was never filmed, and it was never in any version of the script.

Hmm...Luke must have been a very good throw then on his first try, and I better tell my brain, that Luke didn't miss his mark, gather up the excess line, wind up and try again, this time hitting his mark.

 

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Before we beat this dead horse anymore, I will change the subject back to the DEED:

I just looked at the new shake, and it looks great! You did exactly what I was talking about, smearing certain frames and moving them off-kilter just like in the original version. Good job!

Still, I will give a little constructive criticism. Not every frame in the shake was blurry. Look at my screengrabs from the Puggo Grande - there are some frames in the shake which don't look to be blurry, smeared or anything. The ones that look to be unsmeared to me are frame 3, frame 6, frame 9, frame 12 (and maybe 11?), frame 15, frames 18-19?; it looks like there's no more optically smeared frames after frame 21.

Frame 7 should be much more smeared than it is now - in fact, I think it's the most smeared frame in the whole shot.

Also, is there any way that the smear frames could be actually smeared, rather than just doubled at partial opacity? Couldn't it be done in Photoshop?

Anyway, take a look at those Puggo Grande frames I posted, and flick through them in order - it's good to have a reference that's not DVNR'ed.

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Harmy said:

Yes.

Lol...Ok!

Harmy, it's ultimately up to you, as to whether you are going to leave the Burn Marks in or not. It's your project, and I wish you, all the best.

 

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I am now solidly pro-shake, but still moderately anti-burn-mark.

Harmy, you could leave the shake as-is and I'd be perfectly happy, depends on how much more tweaking you can stand.  TServo's suggestions sound reasonable.

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TServo2049 said:

Before we beat this dead horse anymore, I will change the subject back to the DEED:

I just looked at the new shake, and it looks great! You did exactly what I was talking about, moving certain frames off-kilter just like in the original version.

Still, I will give a little constructive criticism. Not every frame in the shake was blurry. Look at my screengrabs from the Puggo Grande - there are some frames in the shake which don't look to be blurry, smeared or anything. The ones that look to be unsmeared to me are frame 3, frame 6, frame 9, frame 12 (and maybe 11?), frame 15, frames 18-19?; it looks like there's no more optically smeared frames after frame 21.

Also, is there any way that the smear frames could be actually smeared, rather than just doubled at partial opacity? Couldn't it be done in Photoshop?

Take a look at those Puggo Grande frames - it's good to have a reference that's not DVNR'ed.

See, that's why it's a bad idea to edit posts to add more information to them, I never noticed you posted those.

Check it out frame by frame, there is motion blur, it's not done by doubled frames with partial opacity.

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You're right about the blur, it's just that some of it doesn't look "streaky" enough. A couple frames are really really streaked in the original

Actually, even though I did edit them into a post, I still posted those pics *after* you announced that you redid the shake, so I don't fault you.

BTW, the frame numbers I'm giving don't correspond to your preview file, because the first frame appears twice in that. I'm numbering them starting with the first frame where we see the droids.

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Oh, it's great. There are certain frames that need to be moved more than they are now, but even so, it looks fantastic.

Harmy, I think I'll PM you about the changes I think should be made, rather than drag it out through this thread.

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i know it's probably too late to point out but in WP 2.3 i noticed that alot of the characters have very yellow skin...look at tarkin after the rebel meeting about the death star!

i'm not sure if much can be done about it at this point though.

Where's my damn medal?

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Speaking of skin, in the WP3.0 preview clip, in some shots the Rebel troopers look too pale. I'm especially thinking of that one closeup near the end - the guy's face has almost no color in it. When I turn up the saturation in VLC, those shots look better - but all the other shots look way too saturated. Perhaps those shots can have their color turned up?

How do the skin tones look in your 35mm source? I've never seen a version where the Rebel troops look that desaturated...

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i'm sure harmy is tired of tweaking colors non stop but i think skin tones are really important. 

maybe tarkins skin was that yellow originally but it just seems off to me

Where's my damn medal?

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WILL YOU FUCKING SHUT UP ABOUT THE FUCKING COLOURS!!! JUST HEARING THE WORD SKINTONE MAKES MY OWN FUCKING SKIN CRAWL!!!

There, sorry, had to do that, because when I posted the WP2.3 I said this:

Again, try to keep the colour comments to a minimum, since the colour correction is very much preliminary. I want to know if I forgot to undo some changes and stuff like that.

And being quite tired, the above was my actual real-world reaction ;-)

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Harmy said:

WILL YOU FUCKING SHUT UP ABOUT THE FUCKING COLOURS!!! JUST HEARING THE WORD SKINTONE MAKES MY OWN FUCKING SKIN CRAWL!!!

There, sorry, had to do that, because when I posted the WP2.3 I said this:

Again, try to keep the colour comments to a minimum, since the colour correction is very much preliminary. I want to know if I forgot to undo some changes and stuff like that.

And being quite tired, the above was my actual real-world reaction ;-)

 oops...lol. yeah sorry, missed that memo about the colors.  i just saw a link in your post and clicked on it eagerly with out reading the disclaimer :-)

Where's my damn medal?

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I find it really cool that you even consider to include such things as the "burn-marks" Harmy. :) But I guess it would be inconsistent with how the rest of your edit look. I mean, I doubt you've put back in the built-in dirt on the opticals. The original film, even when brand new had tons of black spots whenever an optical where seen, the landspeeder shot in Mos Eisley and lightsaber training scene in the Falcon for example had black splotches everywhere.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Yeah, and I actually really wish I could restore all those as well but it would be an impossible amount of work, so I guess the burn marks will stay out as well.

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Harmy said:

Yeah, and I actually really wish I could restore all those as well but it would be an impossible amount of work, so I guess the burn marks will stay out as well.

It's that kind of philosophy of yours that makes this project so nice.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Harmy said:

WILL YOU FUCKING SHUT UP ABOUT THE FUCKING COLOURS!!! JUST HEARING THE WORD SKINTONE MAKES MY OWN FUCKING SKIN CRAWL!!!

I knew this would happen someday.  We broke Harmy.

We are so screwed now.

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Sorry about bringing up the skin in the Tantive scenes, Harmy. I should have known better.

For the sake of Harmy's sanity, no more complaints about colors, please. Especially skin tones. :)

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That boy was our last hope...

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“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas

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Harmy said:


Yeah, and I actually really wish I could restore all those as well but it would be an impossible amount of work, so I guess the burn marks will stay out as well.
I am so disappointed. Don't expect me to ever watch your projects ever again!

MY BURN MARK!!!!

;-)

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