Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 127

Like I said, to me it looks ligher blue, maybe cyan, with perhaps a hint of green but it definitely isn't a green glow or a shade of green. This is green:

Harmy said:

Like I said, to me it looks ligher blue, maybe cyan, with perhaps a hint of green but it definitely isn't a green glow or a shade of green. This is green:

 

I can't see the pic man, but I don't know if it's a hosting issue or my work blocking it.

Either way, I do understand what you're saying. They're both cyan, but the shade of cyan in the top cap definitely features more green bias and it changes the impression of the color to the naked eye, at least to mine it does. It almost appears a light sea green rather than a light blue. The bottom pic is clearly more biased towards blue to the point where to the naked eye it appears blue (as it should, and did originally.) When I say it appears green I don't mean a pure "green" on a technical level.

TServo2049 said:

That's basically what I was getting at. Cyan biased toward blue.

Here's some images from The Making of Star Wars:

I totally agree. While technically cyan, to the naked eye it appears as a cool light blue because it clearly favors the blue portion of the spectrum. No one would identify that as a "green lightsaber." The first cap posted earlier appears to my eyes as if it could pass as a gradient of green, especially relative to how the same lightsaber appears shortly after that shot.

By the way Harmy, I'm not trying to bust balls or sound like a dick or anything, or nitpick for the sake of nitpciking. I think your preservation is the easily the most important of all time and I love your work. I'm at work and trying to type fast so it might come off as snippy or something, but that's not intentional on my part.  I'm just giving my input as to how it appears to me.

Harmy said:

@Stinky: You always seem to see colours totally differently from me, I don't think the sabre's green at all in that shot, just a lighter blue that in the other, which according to the reference I've seen is correct.

Harmy, I'm seeing it exactly like Stinky. 

They definitely have a slightly different hue.  I just played around with them in photoshop and boosted the saturation.  The first is more of an aqua tint with the second being more of a truer, deep blue.  I dont know how they originally looked as i was only 4 months old when i saw it in the theater, but I would expect them to have the same hue, with variations being only in the brightness levels of the blue

BTW - I'm working on a 27" imac that I have set up for print & web design.

I never said they didn't have a different hue, they definitely do.

I think he means a shift in hue to the point where it doesn't appear the naked eye as really blue anymore, more "greenish" than one would expect. Dunno man, to me it just doesn't appear as a cool light blue to the naked eye.... more like a cyan with too much green bias.

Harmy said:

I never said they didn't have a different hue, they definitely do.

sorry, my bad.  i just dont understand why they would have different hues in the first place?  In the boosted GOUT, the colors between the two shots definitely have different hues as well, but I would like to know if they looked that way originally. 

They did, believe me, maybe not as prominently but they did.

Cobra Kai said:

Harmy said:

I never said they didn't have a different hue, they definitely do.

sorry, my bad.  i just dont understand why they would have different hues in the first place?  In the boosted GOUT, the colors between the two shots definitely have different hues as well, but I would like to know if they looked that way originally. 

I'm sure the hue varied throughout the entire film on a technical level, the thing is it never varied to the point where it didn't clearly appear to the naked eye as "light blue."

To my naked eye it does appear light blue.

Strange. Unless my eyes are suddenly shitting the bed (can't be my monitor, that's calibrated correctly) it definitely appears to me as a cyan more favoring green than it otherwise should be, to the point where I could easily imagine it being identified as more "greenish" than "bluish." But, if it's just me that's seeing it I guess it's nothing to worry about.

it appears to have a slight hint of green on my end and that was my first thought when I first watched this scene on the WP, but no more talk of this!  I gotta get back to work!   I think I'll send George Lucas a bill for all this lost time. 

It may also have been that the lightsaber just had a different color than what I was expecting when I first watched the scene.  the 1st shot is definitely more cyan than what i thought it would be.  I still remember it as being completely blown out in the vhs tapes i watched growing up, and was expecting it to look "more blue".

but i dont know anymore, after looking at colors for a while I kind of get "colorblind".

ww12345 said:

Hahaha! Could you imagine if Harmy or one of the other restorers actually did this? :D

Yeah I  think he should!  I wonder what he charges by the hour...

Just for the Hell of it I took the two lightsabers from the two different caps and sampled a series of several random pixel shades of the saber itself starting from the outside glow moving progressively closer to the core and plugged those values into a series of cascading tiles with the upper square representing the furthest from the core and the lowest representing the nearest to the core. It sort of makes an easier visual comparison of the stark difference between the two hues.

That's what I mean by perhaps a touch too much lean towards green in the first cap.

ww12345 said:

See, of those the bottom right-most tile looks the greenest. The bottom left-most tile looks off-grey.

That's because they were captured randomly so close to the core. If I captured the very center of the one on the right it would look very near to white or gray (the one above it on the right is actually very light blue.)

The one on the left is definitely more green. I don't know what else to say, but if you look at the right and think the progression of color is more green then something is very off on one of our displays...

Yes, thanks for that, I'm glad you confirmed it for me, all the tiles in the left one are a shade of blue, without any green at all. The only one where I see any hint of green is the bottom right one.

No one said the right one was more green, it's simply darker blue than the left one, which is lighter blue.

Honestly then it must be my monitor at work. Without exaggeration in the slightest I'm seeing clear and blatant green bias in the cyan on the left hand portion and a much clearer gradation of shades of blue on the right hand side, which perfectly mirror how the sabers themselves appear to me (which makes sense seeing as I grabbed those color values directly from them.) It has nothing to do with brightness on my display as I can take the left hand side and completely alter the brightness independently on that side so it's much darker but the same difference in hue and green bias still holds.

I'll have to look at it when I get home tonight.

colors can be very deceiving, and there is a lot of grey on the left side colors, so i can se how there would be some disagreement.  Here are the actual colors on the left.   the bottom two are shades of green.