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Harmy's RETURN OF THE JEDI Despecialized Edition HD - V3.1 — Page 148

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That guy with no name said:

Doctor M said:

CatBus said:

Doctor M said:

Harmy said:

The 1080p version is designed for a BD25, if you keep only the English audio and one or two dubs.

The 2160p version is over 40GB just for the video.

Any recommendations for BD50 blanks?

For this one? Verbatim M-disc. It’s gonna be passed down like a family heirloom.

Until version 3.2. 😃

I copied it to a network HDD dock and took a look at it… and I hate to be the first to complain about this amazing piece of work, but it looks like the grain was scrubbed and then fake grain was added.
Was that the 4k source or am I hallucinating?

No, that’s just how the 4k Blu-ray looks, It’s scrubbed to smithereens… and has so much static grain. Harmy did the best he could to restore the original look. and I’m pretty sure that the grain he added is authentic 35mm is it not? also, how do you not know that at this point? Bad DNR was one of the 2020 Blu-ray’s first issues discussed here.

Pretty easy to miss it, actually. For a lot of Star Wars fans, they hear “Special Edition” and tune out everything about it. Despecialized or D+xx is probably the first time people like that have encountered the UHDs in any form. And yes, you’re absolutely right, they are very heavily scrubbed, so re-graining them is pretty much the only way to go (unless you want to DNR 4Kxx to match!). Nevertheless, possibly a surprise for people who didn’t know that.

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CatBus said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Doctor M said:

CatBus said:

Doctor M said:

Harmy said:

The 1080p version is designed for a BD25, if you keep only the English audio and one or two dubs.

The 2160p version is over 40GB just for the video.

Any recommendations for BD50 blanks?

For this one? Verbatim M-disc. It’s gonna be passed down like a family heirloom.

Until version 3.2. 😃

I copied it to a network HDD dock and took a look at it… and I hate to be the first to complain about this amazing piece of work, but it looks like the grain was scrubbed and then fake grain was added.
Was that the 4k source or am I hallucinating?

Thank you for saving me the trouble of downloading. I’ll stick with D+83.

For those unable to detect the snark, D+83 (OTD83) uses the same sources as Despecialized, with the same issues. If you’re happy with OTD83, you’ll be delighted with Despecialized.

No snark intended. I just don’t feel the need to have fake grain added to the picture. I’ll stick with D+83 unless I see some screencaps that sway me otherwise.

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digitalfreaknyc said:

CatBus said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Doctor M said:

CatBus said:

Doctor M said:

Harmy said:

The 1080p version is designed for a BD25, if you keep only the English audio and one or two dubs.

The 2160p version is over 40GB just for the video.

Any recommendations for BD50 blanks?

For this one? Verbatim M-disc. It’s gonna be passed down like a family heirloom.

Until version 3.2. 😃

I copied it to a network HDD dock and took a look at it… and I hate to be the first to complain about this amazing piece of work, but it looks like the grain was scrubbed and then fake grain was added.
Was that the 4k source or am I hallucinating?

Thank you for saving me the trouble of downloading. I’ll stick with D+83.

For those unable to detect the snark, D+83 (OTD83) uses the same sources as Despecialized, with the same issues. If you’re happy with OTD83, you’ll be delighted with Despecialized.

No snark intended. I just don’t feel the need to have fake grain added to the picture. I’ll stick with D+83 unless I see some screencaps that sway me otherwise.

Do you think the official releases doesn’t have fake grain? Why is fake grain so sanctimonious?

-TGWNN

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CatBus said:

MarkM said:

CatBus said:

Verified, I burned this to a BD-50 and played it back in a hardware player. It’s glorious.

Do you mind sharing which authoring tool you used? tsMuxer is my go-to, but as you mention it is having fits with this one.

tsMuxer is what I used. You just have to be careful to keep the audio and subtitle options to a sane level. 32 audio/32 subtitle is the hard limit, but really that’s still too much if you have multiple lossless tracks. I only did one lossless track, to cut down on max bitrate. You could probably get away with more.

Thanks for the tip. Once I stripped out the extra audio tracks, it worked great. It looks fantastic!

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That guy with no name said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

CatBus said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Doctor M said:

CatBus said:

Doctor M said:

Harmy said:

The 1080p version is designed for a BD25, if you keep only the English audio and one or two dubs.

The 2160p version is over 40GB just for the video.

Any recommendations for BD50 blanks?

For this one? Verbatim M-disc. It’s gonna be passed down like a family heirloom.

Until version 3.2. 😃

I copied it to a network HDD dock and took a look at it… and I hate to be the first to complain about this amazing piece of work, but it looks like the grain was scrubbed and then fake grain was added.
Was that the 4k source or am I hallucinating?

Thank you for saving me the trouble of downloading. I’ll stick with D+83.

For those unable to detect the snark, D+83 (OTD83) uses the same sources as Despecialized, with the same issues. If you’re happy with OTD83, you’ll be delighted with Despecialized.

No snark intended. I just don’t feel the need to have fake grain added to the picture. I’ll stick with D+83 unless I see some screencaps that sway me otherwise.

Do you think the official releases doesn’t have fake grain? Why is fake grain so sanctimonious?

TIL that some old (pre-2020) versions of the D+ projects actually didn’t have fake grain added, and they just had the grain from the 4Kxx projects suddenly appear and disappear as the sources changed, even sometimes appearing in parts of a shot and not others. Wow. The current versions do a better job of blending source materials, using fake grain, as Despecialized does. I guess some people hate fake grain so much that they won’t even upgrade to a recent version of D+83/OTD83, and they’re okay with the jarring grain transitions of the older versions. That’s a choice.

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digitalfreaknyc said:

CatBus said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Doctor M said:

CatBus said:

Doctor M said:

Harmy said:

The 1080p version is designed for a BD25, if you keep only the English audio and one or two dubs.

The 2160p version is over 40GB just for the video.

Any recommendations for BD50 blanks?

For this one? Verbatim M-disc. It’s gonna be passed down like a family heirloom.

Until version 3.2. 😃

I copied it to a network HDD dock and took a look at it… and I hate to be the first to complain about this amazing piece of work, but it looks like the grain was scrubbed and then fake grain was added.
Was that the 4k source or am I hallucinating?

Thank you for saving me the trouble of downloading. I’ll stick with D+83.

For those unable to detect the snark, D+83 (OTD83) uses the same sources as Despecialized, with the same issues. If you’re happy with OTD83, you’ll be delighted with Despecialized.

No snark intended. I just don’t feel the need to have fake grain added to the picture. I’ll stick with D+83 unless I see some screencaps that sway me otherwise.

I get it now. Now I know that pre-2020 versions of D+xx actually didn’t have any fake grain added. I laughed because I thought you were talking about a recent version of D+83, which of course has the same fake grain as Despecialized, and so I thought you were being snarky (i.e. I thought you were saying “I don’t want fake grain… so I’m sticking with this other preservation that’s full of fake grain!”).

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Here are both frames on top of each other with the top one set to difference in photoshop.

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Could be a crop difference, I suppose. Does the title appear on the same frame?

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v3.1


4K83

Only the first frame seems to be out of aspect ratio and logo position.


The others are fine. Beautiful colors, great.

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Weird. Maybe we discovered some previously unknown variation between the European UHD and the North American one. At this point, Harmy could shed the most light on this. I have no clue.

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I’ve got this saved onto a USB, which I can plug directly into my TV, but my TV won’t play the DTS-MA HD audio tracks - meaning I’m stuck with the Laserdisc stereo mix. Is there any way around this?

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DDE said:

I’ve got this saved onto a USB, which I can plug directly into my TV, but my TV won’t play the DTS-MA HD audio tracks - meaning I’m stuck with the Laserdisc stereo mix. Is there any way around this?

My LG TV doesn’t do DTS either. My workaround is to use the USB port on my BluRay player (which does support DTS).
If that’s not an option you could convert the DTS to DD @640. MKV2AC3 does this.

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My complaint is, while fake grain seems more natural, if it wasn’t there before you add it, you are just destroying more detail that wasn’t scrubbed out of the film with the grain.

Dr. M

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Sure, in cold mathematical terms, there may be more actual detail but at the end of the day, this is art, not maths, so it really is about what’s more pleasant to watch.

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Harmy said:

Sure, in cold mathematical terms, there may be more actual detail but at the end of the day, this is art, not maths, so it really is about what’s more pleasant to watch.

Very true, and plus as I understand it Despecialized aims to recreate the experience of watching the original theatrical release, and that had grain.

Fantastic job Harmy, thanks so much for all your effort, dedication and passion over the years.

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Thank you

I looked there yesterday and for the life of me current see it. Found it today.
Downloading now

Mackey256 said:

It’s in the first post

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Doctor M said:

My complaint is, while fake grain seems more natural, if it wasn’t there before you add it, you are just destroying more detail that wasn’t scrubbed out of the film with the grain.

Thank you. That’s precisely my point.