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Harmy's RETURN OF THE JEDI Despecialized Edition HD - V3.1 — Page 72

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So when the final 2.0 does come out, will there also be a nifty Google Plus album with picture comparisons between the various versions? I always love looking through those.

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flat_eric said:

Is the workprint incomplete? Just trying to work out whether it’s worth waiting until the release of v2.5 for my RoTJ fix.

If it wasn’t, would it be a workprint?

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TV’s Frink said:

flat_eric said:

Is the workprint incomplete? Just trying to work out whether it’s worth waiting until the release of v2.5 for my RoTJ fix.

If it wasn’t, would it be a workprint?

Probably not. But I hadn’t heard of the term before. I suppose what I really want to know, is the workprint actually in a watchable state or am I better off viewing v1.0?

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Matter of opinion, but I’d say you should still go for 1.0 for regular viewing – and I wince for having to say that, since 99.8% of the workprint is far superior. But that .2% is a bad .2%.

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I think Catbus and I gave the exact same opinions the last time this was asked a page or two back.

But I would strongly recommend the patched up version of the 2.0 WP that another user has made, to be used with the subtitle patch, over v1.0.

We will likely give the same opinions the next time it is asked as well. 😉

The only real problem with this patched WP, aside from some unoptimized color, is a bit of gate weave in a couple shots. But it beats the ‘GOUT-weave’ of v1.0. It’s one thing when the frame moves, it’s quite another when the blurry sarlacc moves while the rest of the frame stays still. And I say this with no disrespect to Harmy, as he obviously created the only watchable HD version of RoTJ ever made.

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My wife and I just finished re-watching the OT with Deathalo’s tweak of Harmy’s 2.0WP. It’s wonderful, everything I’ve been hoping for since I first watched the (very nice) 1.0 version.

Thank you Harmy, and every unbelievably dedicated fan whose work has helped make this possible. This is definitely my new go-to version of RotJ.

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boffy said:

My wife and I just finished re-watching the OT with Deathalo’s tweak of Harmy’s 2.0WP. It’s wonderful, everything I’ve been hoping for since I first watched the (very nice) 1.0 version.

Thank you Harmy, and every unbelievably dedicated fan whose work has helped make this possible. This is definitely my new go-to version of RotJ.

Great avatar. D’you like eels, boy?

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Is Return of the Jedi V2.0 free of GOUT footage?

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Harmy said:

No. There’s still a couple of GOUT sourced shots.

I’ll have to take your word for that, because I was looking and couldn’t spot them.

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boffy said:

Harmy said:

No. There’s still a couple of GOUT sourced shots.

I’ll have to take your word for that, because I was looking and couldn’t spot them.

I thought I spotted one ewok shot during the end celebration, but maybe it’s just not a sharp looking shot.

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This is the second time today that I’ve seen someone refer to ROTJ 2.0 as if they’ve seen it. Just to be clear, they must be talking about the Workprint, right?

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Yes, that’s right - they may have seen a version where a member here fixed a couple of the worst bugs but there’s no official v2.0. But the official v2.0 will essentially be the same as the workprint with just the most jarring bugs fixed, so if you’ve seen the WP you have a very good idea of what v2.0 will be.

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That makes sense. I’m holding off on the Workprint because 1.0 is still fantastic as is and I know when 2.0 is released it’ll be worth the wait. I respect people watching the Workprint and proving feedback though, of course.

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So will the v2.0 be cleaning up the 35mm footage in general, or will it only be focusing on specific errors such as the flickering ships at the Ewok Celebration and the lack of vanishing TIE fighters at 37:14 or at frame number 53578?

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Can anyone PM me the link to Deathalo’s ROTJ 2.0WP edit?

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Any idea when 2.0 will be finished? I really want to finish my collection.

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Hey guys, quick update from me about the soundtracks.

I was away from the forum for a over a month, due to being busy with recording projects, so I didn’t know that RotJ 2.0 was so close to completion until very recently. The last I’d heard before that, it was still a long way off. Because of that, I hadn’t started working on anything new until Chewtobacca asked me if I had new stuff ready. Fortunately, I have plenty of time now to work on them, and I’ve been making good progress in the past week.

I started with the 1983 stereo mix first, and it is completely matched to the GOUT in sync and in dialog level; I just need to fill in the gaps from missing frames at reel changes in order to complete it, as well as patching over a couple of dropouts and tape distortions. Most of it comes from the 1986 US laserdisc, with fixes taken from the 1989 Special Widescreen Edition. The SWE has the best-sounding equalization, but has also had its peak levels reduced with a brickwall limiter for some reason. The 1986 laserdisc sounds far too shrill due to its high frequency boost, but its dynamic range is fully intact. I was able to EQ the 1986 laserdisc to eliminate this shrillness, making it sound almost exactly the same as the SWE, minus the limiting. So now it has both the ideal tonal quality and the proper dynamics.

After I’ve finished with that I’ll set about making a new 5.1 version. As before, this will be mostly the 1993 mix with the addition of an LFE channel, this time taken from the Bluray instead of the DVD. I pretty much got the balance right the last time around, so this will mostly just be recreating my previous work in higher quality, with a few minor corrections.

In listening to the original stereo mix, I noticed several distinct differences from the 1993 version. Unlike the '93 mixes of SW and ESB, which were mostly derived from original master tapes, the '93 RotJ was a full-on remix from stems, so although there is no new content, it is not surprising that it would have a different balance between the various elements. The original stereo mix has more prominent music in some scenes, as well as some differences in panning and foley levels. I have not decided how much of this, if any, should be incorporated into the 5.1. My inclination is to leave most of them alone, since they are usually subtle, and the 1993 mix does sound very good, despite not being 100% authentic. Perhaps I will use the most noticeable differences only, and save the rest for some more in-depth version in the future (possibly to accompany Despecialized 3.0).

I aim to have this all done in the next few weeks. That’s all from me for now . . . I haven’t had time to look at the 2.0 workprint, so I guess I’ll wait to see the final result when it is actually released. I expect it’s going to be great. 😉

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Oh, thank goodness you’re still with us and working on things. A shiny new fully patched-up 83 stereo mix and a new 5.1 mix, sounds great!

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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hairy_hen said:
…I hadn’t started working on anything new until Chewtobacca asked me if I had new stuff ready.

I should pester you with PMs more often. Thanks for the update! 😃 The information on the stereo mixes is interesting, and I look forward to hearing your improved stereo mix.

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If he’s done in the next few weeks, and that’s still not early enough for 2.0, are you at a point yet where you can get that screencap of the subtitles? That’s all I’m waiting for for Project Threepio 9.0.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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Oh, damn, I totally forgot I was gonna have to do the subtitles. I’m not at my PC right now - Please send me a PM to remind me - I don’t have any of the subs done yet but I can send you a screenshot from the 35mm scan I’ll be using for the subs.

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35mm is no good for what I’m doing, sorry. Slight cropping differences change the relative size and position of the font I use from preservation to preservation, so I need a DeEd 2.0 screencap. No worries, though. Once I have the image, it’ll take all of a few minutes to make the match.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)