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Harmy's RETURN OF THE JEDI Despecialized Edition HD (AVCHD DVD9 & NTSC DVD5 available!!! SEE FIRST POST!!!) — Page 80

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Harmy, I created an account just to ask you this: what font did you use for the subtitles?

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Well, for the old versions, 1.0 and the 2.x workprint, I believe it’s Franklin Gothic Demi Condensed, which is close but no cigar. 2.0 won’t use a font, but a scan of 35mm elements.

If you’re interested, I’ve made a customized Franklin Gothic Demi Cond that addresses some of the shortcomings.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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I’m interested! BTW, it’s for a customized SUP file for use with the 2006 GOUT DVDs, to restore the original font as faithfully as possible. Has something like this already been done?

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Mjolnir Mark IV said:

I’m interested! BTW, it’s for a customized SUP file for use with the 2006 GOUT DVDs, to restore the original font as faithfully as possible. Has something like this already been done?

Look for Dark Jedi GOUT V3.

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I’ve got something better than a lousy font. I’ll need to upload it first, then I’ll send a PM.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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Yeah, actually, at DVD resolution, GOUT V3 is probably your easiest option. Still, send me a PM if you have questions on the subtitle side.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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Just wanted to say thanks to you Harmy for all your efforts and to your collaborators. I can’t imagine watching the Special Editions now. I’m really looking forward to ROTJ 2.0.

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I just discovered this today. I can’t wait to watch this in 2.0. I’m downloading the 2.5, 2.0 and 1.0 versions of the movies right now. Thank you for doing this Harmy. Much appreciated and you have my full support.

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Harmy, I just “finally” purchased a BD burner and have just downloaded your latest Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back. Before I usually had to reduce the size of the file to be able to fit them on two dvds, but now I have them both on BDs’ and all I can say is they are the best versions out there! I read one post saying your versions were “Frankenstein-ed together” and I was very offended. Your work is so outstanding and I can’t wait for the latest Return of the Jedi version to come out. Your admiring fan, Brian.

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Once Harmy has finished the final 3.0 1080p versions he said he plans on Facebook, we’ll have the definitive versions of these movies. I doubt even an official release could top it.

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Density said:

Once Harmy has finished the final 3.0 1080p versions he said he plans on Facebook, we’ll have the definitive versions of these movies. I doubt even an official release could top it.

Unless Lucasfilm is awesome and releases Mike Verta’s restoration.

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Darth Lucas said:

Density said:

Once Harmy has finished the final 3.0 1080p versions he said he plans on Facebook, we’ll have the definitive versions of these movies. I doubt even an official release could top it.

Unless Lucasfilm is awesome and releases Mike Verta’s restoration.

That still only solves 1/3 of the problem.

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joefavs said:

Darth Lucas said:

Density said:

Once Harmy has finished the final 3.0 1080p versions he said he plans on Facebook, we’ll have the definitive versions of these movies. I doubt even an official release could top it.

Unless Lucasfilm is awesome and releases Mike Verta’s restoration.

That still only solves 1/3 of the problem.

Unless Lucasfilm is awesome and hires him to restore the other two.

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Density said:

Once Harmy has finished the final 3.0 1080p versions he said he plans on Facebook, we’ll have the definitive versions of these movies. I doubt even an official release could top it.

Well, I disagree - Despecialized will still use the 2011 Blu-Ray as its main source and there are all manner of things wrong with that transfer, some are fixable but many are not. You can fix the colors to a certain degree but there are certain idiosyncrasies of that transfer’s colors that are simply there to stay, plus with the BD, we only have a compressed 8bit 4:2:0 version of the transfer, which makes its fixability even more limited. But there’s more - there was copious amount of DNR used on the transfer and then a thick layer of artificial grain has been added on top, which means there’s tons of detail lost and I can see other tell-tale signs of DNR, like a specific sort of warping and bits of frozen grain moving along with object. There’s still more fine detail in the 2004 transfer than any exhibition print thanks to it coming from the o-neg, so even with all those flaws there’s still merit to using it, but with a proper 4K transfer of the o-neg or even an IP, there could be way more detail still, so a properly done new restoration using the best source materials available from the LFL archives should far surpass anything that can be done using the 2011 Blu-Ray or exhibition prints.

And yeah, Mike’s version would probably be pretty close but it’s still sourced from exhibition prints alone.

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  • IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DESPECIALIZED EDITIONS, PLEASE READ THE FIRST POSTS OF THESE THREADS, WHICH HAVE UP-TO-DATE INFORMATION: SW, ESB, ROTJ, 97SE RE-ED
    IF YOU DON’T FIND WHAT YOU’RE LOOKING FOR THERE, TRY ASKING IN THE APPROPRIATE THREADS - MOST REGULAR POSTERS KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS AND SOMEONE WILL LIKELY BE ABLE TO HELP YOU.
    IF I GET A PM WITH A QUESTION, WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN ANSWERED THROUGH THESE MEANS, IT WILL BE IGNORED. SORRY BUT I AM NOT THE LOCAL INFO BOOTH. THANK YOU.
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Harmy said:

Density said:

Once Harmy has finished the final 3.0 1080p versions he said he plans on Facebook, we’ll have the definitive versions of these movies. I doubt even an official release could top it.

Well, I disagree - Despecialized will still use the 2011 Blu-Ray as its main source and there are all manner of things wrong with that transfer, some are fixable but many are not. You can fix the colors to a certain degree but there are certain idiosyncrasies of that transfer’s colors that are simply there to stay, plus with the BD, we only have a compressed 8bit 4:2:0 version of the transfer, which makes its fixability even more limited. But there’s more - there was copious amount of DNR used on the transfer and then a thick layer of artificial grain has been added on top, which means there’s tons of detail lost and I can see other tell-tale signs of DNR, like a specific sort of warping and bits of frozen grain moving along with object. There’s still more fine detail in the 2004 transfer than any exhibition print thanks to it coming from the o-neg, so even with all those flaws there’s still merit to using it, but with a proper 4K transfer of the o-neg or even an IP, there could be way more detail still, so a properly done new restoration using the best source materials available from the LFL archives should far surpass anything that can be done using the 2011 Blu-Ray or exhibition prints.

And yeah, Mike’s version would probably be pretty close but it’s still sourced from exhibition prints alone.

Yeah, but I think it’s likely that an official release of the official trilogy wouldn’t be much if any better than the 2004 transfer. Considering how much effort was put into the GOUT… I doubt the work you’ve done to correct the colors and such would even be in an official release or as much care put into it in general. And they certainly wouldn’t include all the extra audio mixes, etc. you’ve included. But it’s all hypothetical of course. I may be surprised. But even though you recognize all those little details and flaws, the reality is that to most of us simply watching it we already see your current Despecialized versions as near-perfect and certainly more than satisfactory. Better than many official releases of other films I’ve seen for sure.

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The GOUT isn’t a realistic level of quality to expect from a new transfer as the GOUT was an old outdated transfer that was dug up for the theatrical version dvd release.

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OK, so I have v2.0 cut assembled and I have the audio tracks from hairy_hen but I’d still like a few volunteers to check out a final workprint before I do the final release. Any takers?

  • www.facebook.com/despecialized
  • IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DESPECIALIZED EDITIONS, PLEASE READ THE FIRST POSTS OF THESE THREADS, WHICH HAVE UP-TO-DATE INFORMATION: SW, ESB, ROTJ, 97SE RE-ED
    IF YOU DON’T FIND WHAT YOU’RE LOOKING FOR THERE, TRY ASKING IN THE APPROPRIATE THREADS - MOST REGULAR POSTERS KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS AND SOMEONE WILL LIKELY BE ABLE TO HELP YOU.
    IF I GET A PM WITH A QUESTION, WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN ANSWERED THROUGH THESE MEANS, IT WILL BE IGNORED. SORRY BUT I AM NOT THE LOCAL INFO BOOTH. THANK YOU.
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Definitely! Would we report to the quality control thread?

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Yeah, I guess. I will render it today over night - it will be a comparison of the previous workprint, this new version and GOUT.

  • www.facebook.com/despecialized
  • IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DESPECIALIZED EDITIONS, PLEASE READ THE FIRST POSTS OF THESE THREADS, WHICH HAVE UP-TO-DATE INFORMATION: SW, ESB, ROTJ, 97SE RE-ED
    IF YOU DON’T FIND WHAT YOU’RE LOOKING FOR THERE, TRY ASKING IN THE APPROPRIATE THREADS - MOST REGULAR POSTERS KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS AND SOMEONE WILL LIKELY BE ABLE TO HELP YOU.
    IF I GET A PM WITH A QUESTION, WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN ANSWERED THROUGH THESE MEANS, IT WILL BE IGNORED. SORRY BUT I AM NOT THE LOCAL INFO BOOTH. THANK YOU.
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Probably not, because it’d be a lot of fuss for me, because I’d have to recut the BD to fit.

  • www.facebook.com/despecialized
  • IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DESPECIALIZED EDITIONS, PLEASE READ THE FIRST POSTS OF THESE THREADS, WHICH HAVE UP-TO-DATE INFORMATION: SW, ESB, ROTJ, 97SE RE-ED
    IF YOU DON’T FIND WHAT YOU’RE LOOKING FOR THERE, TRY ASKING IN THE APPROPRIATE THREADS - MOST REGULAR POSTERS KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS AND SOMEONE WILL LIKELY BE ABLE TO HELP YOU.
    IF I GET A PM WITH A QUESTION, WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN ANSWERED THROUGH THESE MEANS, IT WILL BE IGNORED. SORRY BUT I AM NOT THE LOCAL INFO BOOTH. THANK YOU.