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Harmy's RETURN OF THE JEDI Despecialized Edition HD (AVCHD DVD9 & NTSC DVD5 available!!! SEE FIRST POST!!!) — Page 111

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OK, here’s a comparison gallery for the Rancor scene of RAW LPP scan vs v2.5 vs Grindhouse.

http://picsurge.com/g/ow51Oo

The grindhouse is one set of settings for the whole thing and yes it does have quite a bit more shadow detail but I included a few shots that were sourced from the BD in v2.5 (already brightened) to remind you that that is what I had to match the black levels of the LPP inserts to, so as not to make them stand out like a sore thumb. There is certainly room for improvement and I was planning on starting on this scene from scratch in v3.0 anyway, because it needs manual rather than automated cleanup to avoid artifacts, but the fact that I had to match the black levels of the Blu-Ray source is definitely something to keep in mind when looking at these. 😃

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GrizzlyAdams said:

I’ve tried as much as I can to read through as much of this thread as possible, but can anyone explain what’s going on with Luke’s shirt during the Obiwan ghost scene on Degobah? Is this something we’re finding out was present originally but then fixed later?

Yes.
BTW, I’m sure he’s talking about this:

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Harmy said:

GrizzlyAdams said:

I’ve tried as much as I can to read through as much of this thread as possible, but can anyone explain what’s going on with Luke’s shirt during the Obiwan ghost scene on Degobah? Is this something we’re finding out was present originally but then fixed later?

Yes.
BTW, I’m sure he’s talking about this:

Yes, originally there it seems

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Harmy said:

OK, here’s a comparison gallery for the Rancor scene of RAW LPP scan vs v2.5 vs Grindhouse.

http://picsurge.com/g/ow51Oo

The grindhouse is one set of settings for the whole thing and yes it does have quite a bit more shadow detail but I included a few shots that were sourced from the BD in v2.5 (already brightened) to remind you that that is what I had to match the black levels of the LPP inserts to, so as not to make them stand out like a sore thumb. There is certainly room for improvement and I was planning on starting on this scene from scratch in v3.0 anyway, because it needs manual rather than automated cleanup to avoid artifacts, but the fact that I had to match the black levels of the Blu-Ray source is definitely something to keep in mind when looking at these. 😃

Cool, looking forward to the grindhouse.

Do you mean one setting for this scene? One per reel? One for the film? Is any automated cleanup being done for the Grindhouse (guessing no, given the name)?

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towne32 said:

Cool, looking forward to the grindhouse.

Do you mean one setting for this scene? One per reel? One for the film? Is any automated cleanup being done for the Grindhouse (guessing no, given the name)?

More or less one per reel, although there were some scenes I had to tackle separately, which tells me that better settings could be found, because each reel should be internally consistent, but like I said, I already had to do a lot of hokery-pokery with the colors to get them looking like this. Someone with better color correction skills could probably do a better job over-all.

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Looking forward to the grindhouse, Harmy! Great work as always!

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So that’s the LPP source you used for V 2.5, huh?

I had no idea it looked like that. I was of the mind that it was in good of condition as -1’s Silver Screen.

They were the ones who gave you the scan, correct?

Cudos to you on all that work. Looks miles away from it’s source.

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Jaxer said:

So that’s the LPP source you used for V 2.5, huh?

I had no idea it looked like that. I was of the mind that it was in good of condition as -1’s Silver Screen.

They were the ones who gave you the scan, correct?

Cudos to you on all that work. Looks miles away from it’s source.

Did you see -1’s silver screen before the extensive cleanup?

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Yeah, this print is actually in a pretty good shape and it’s actually really high quality scan.
And actually, no it’s not from Team Negative 1.

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djchaseb said:

Jaxer said:

So that’s the LPP source you used for V 2.5, huh?

I had no idea it looked like that. I was of the mind that it was in good of condition as -1’s Silver Screen.

They were the ones who gave you the scan, correct?

Cudos to you on all that work. Looks miles away from it’s source.

Did you see -1’s silver screen before the extensive cleanup?

Indeed. The RoTJ scan is of much higher quality, and isn’t a dupe. Plus, if I’m not mistaken, it’s in better shape as far as damage goes.

But none of them are generally pretty until extensive work is done to them. TN1’s samples were very rough for quite some time. 😃

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Molly said:

Oh geez.

I think rather than Handbrake, - if the bulk of the movie is in one .m2ts file, just run that through mkvmerge. If you’re gonna re-encode, re-encode the big file, not the AVCHD - because re-encoding a re-encode is absolutely going to look worse.

^ Good point. Downloading all of the despecialized editions and some fan edits has all but cooked my download limit for the month but if you have the available bandwidth go with the larger mkv.

Thanks, Molly 😃

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On the recent note of people not liking the contrast/black crush stuff that 35mm prints end up with, I thought I’d mention that I personally like 35mm contrast more than the flat, “every detail is seen it perfect light” stuff that home video generally has. Detail existing doesn’t mean it was meant to be seen in full. Oh, and Harmy, I like that you’ve pointed out the importance of retaining theatrical contrast, because what you don’t see is just as important as what you do see.

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Ugh, don’t know why quoting is not working. Um, I remember seeing how an entire reel would be red, and then the after product. Scratches, dirt marks, ect…

What I meant by my comment is I thought it has little color issue and just some minor scratches and dirt.

I had seen small correspondence between Harmy and Negative 1, so I just assumed Harmy used some really clean scan of theirs. I didn’t know it was so blue or anything. The side by sides Harmy just posted is the first I’m seeing of the LPP used for ROTJ

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Pretty much every scan is this color-shifted and has to be corrected - again, this is a very high quality scan done to the standards of great restorations - colors on the print itself are in perfect condition and the dirt and scratches are actually pretty minimal, compared to for example the I.B. Technicolor scan TN1 previewed recently - that doesn’t mean it’s not dirty and scratched up, just not as much as some other prints I’ve seen. And some parts are dirtier than others - for example the blurry-bluray part had more dirt than this scene (that will be my next comparison and I’ll throw the BD in there) but you’ll see that in the Grindhouse - I’m hoping to encode it over the weekend. I plan on using very slow settings, so I need to wait until my computer isn’t busy with work stuff.

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So no one gets these perfect, or damn near perfect prints? Even you have to go in and clean them up?

I gotta tell ya, you do fantastic work man. The scans are SUPER sharp.

I was reading over in TN 1’s Silver Screen post, and people asking whether or not to get your version or theirs. I was reading that theirs are kinda blurry and more suited for projector style viewing.

How did you get the insertions for V 2.5 so sharp?

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Harmy said:

I agree! That’s why I was trying to explain that my reply was perhaps a bit snarky because it was first written in response to the rude FB comments and then only copied here. I welcome constructive feedback and I do actually agree, that some of the shots are a tad too dark - it just pisses me of when someone on FB says it looks disgusting just from seeing a few images in the gallery.
I remember when putting a new release out was such a joyous thing for me, because this was the only place it got discussed and this place and people here are frickin’ awesome, and now I just need to learn to live with the harsh reality of the social media mayhem 😄

I love you Harmy!!

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SputnicK said:

clutchins said:

SputnicK said:

This is amazing! May I ask why the ROTJ v2.5 file size is 19.7GB? I just want to watch the film itself and I curious why the files so huge

It’s encoded to be BD25-compliant, so the file size is huge because it takes advantage of the space on a 25GB disc.

Interesting… It seems to me that the majority of people watching it would be doing so digitally (since it’s a web file). Will he be releasing it in a smaller digital format?

Not at all. I burned to disc and watched through my BD Player to TV.

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Jaxer said:

So no one gets these perfect, or damn near perfect prints? Even you have to go in and clean them up?

I gotta tell ya, you do fantastic work man. The scans are SUPER sharp.

I was reading over in TN 1’s Silver Screen post, and people asking whether or not to get your version or theirs. I was reading that theirs are kinda blurry and more suited for projector style viewing.

How did you get the insertions for V 2.5 so sharp?

TN1’s silverscreen is from a copy that was duplicated in 1983. So, it has less detail and more grain. But, the good news is that it preserves the color that is surely completely lost in the film it was copied from back in 83 (unlike in 1977, film stocks used in 1982 onwards are extremely fade resistant).

Take a look at their Technicolor sample, and you’ll see the quality is much higher. Additionally, many of the scans including what Harmy has of Jedi, and some technicolor scans, were done on higher quality equipment than TN1’s older scan of the SW LPP.

But to answer your first question, no, the scans don’t look anywhere near perfect to start with. The color needs to be adjusted, and there can be anywhere from a little to a ton of damage. Check out TN1’s Grindhouse ESB release, if you haven’t.

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Wait, so is the BD/MKV version of Jedi 2.5 completely done and out there in the wild? I know where to find it and everything if it is but I’m at work so I can’t check, and the thread title makes it seem like it’s still the AVCHD version, and every time I try to go back a page, or go to the first page, it just brings me to the last page again.

Yeah, I’m that guy now.

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Stinky-Dinkins said:

Wait, so is the BD/MKV version of Jedi 2.5 completely done and out there in the wild? I know where to find it and everything if it is but I’m at work so I can’t check, and the thread title makes it seem like it’s still the AVCHD version, and every time I try to go back a page, or go to the first page, it just brings me to the last page again.

Yeah, I’m that guy now.

It’s on kat cr

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Wario64I said:

Stinky-Dinkins said:

Wait, so is the BD/MKV version of Jedi 2.5 completely done and out there in the wild? I know where to find it and everything if it is but I’m at work so I can’t check, and the thread title makes it seem like it’s still the AVCHD version, and every time I try to go back a page, or go to the first page, it just brings me to the last page again.

Yeah, I’m that guy now.

It’s on kat cr

Exactly not what he asked.

So yeah, ROTJ 2.5 MKV is out.

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I know you can’t post links, but can anyone point me in the direction of SW & ESB GRINDHOUSE Editions? I’m assuming RotJ is pending…?

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mheath182 said:

I know you can’t post links, but can anyone point me in the direction of SW & ESB GRINDHOUSE Editions? I’m assuming RotJ is pending…?

Yes, it’s pending.

The other two are on myspleen and probably tehparadox. I’m pretty sure SW was on public trackers, too. If ESB was at one point, I would be surprised if the public has kept it seeded this long. Both are on usenet.

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Wario64I said:

Stinky-Dinkins said:

Wait, so is the BD/MKV version of Jedi 2.5 completely done and out there in the wild? I know where to find it and everything if it is but I’m at work so I can’t check, and the thread title makes it seem like it’s still the AVCHD version, and every time I try to go back a page, or go to the first page, it just brings me to the last page again.

Yeah, I’m that guy now.

It’s on kat cr

I don’t know what this means. I just use Paradox/JDownloader/Uloz.

Laserschwert said:

Wario64I said:

Stinky-Dinkins said:

Wait, so is the BD/MKV version of Jedi 2.5 completely done and out there in the wild? I know where to find it and everything if it is but I’m at work so I can’t check, and the thread title makes it seem like it’s still the AVCHD version, and every time I try to go back a page, or go to the first page, it just brings me to the last page again.

Yeah, I’m that guy now.

It’s on kat cr

Exactly not what he asked.

So yeah, ROTJ 2.5 MKV is out.

Fucking awesome. Will be downloading it tonight. SOMEONE PUT FRINK ON THE HORN AND TELL HIM I WILL BE DOWNLOADING IT TONIGHT.

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I probably missed it, but are we looking at a BD-25 for ROTJ grindhouse?