Harmy's Despecialized Star Wars 1977 - Color Adjustment Project for v2.7 (released) — Page 14

towne32 said:

edited link: slightly reduced the blue from the final shot (Harmy’s).

https://mega.nz/#!DJAgTZwR!AUmZKP7sB8q2zl1N6EhrsT0wAJtqDBbQfapg749T5kE

If I do anything with the grain and weave, it should probably be whatever Harmy does, since I have no idea what I’m doing there. 😃

One thing I noticed about the subs in Jedi DeEd 2.5 is that the subtitles aren’t quite a pure white. If you’re looking to match, you should probably do that, unless Harmy says he did it for a reason that’s specific to Jedi, or if it was an accident/side-effect of some other adjustment. Still no help with the grain or weave though.

Well, I just corrected the print’s color to what looked right to me and then kept the subs the way they looked after that.
What program are you gonna use to add the subs? Grain can be done in Premeire but the weave would be much easier in AE.

towne32 said:

Yeah, I was thinking they’re a bit too bright. Might pull the color value from Jedi.

They’re likely to seem a bit too bright regardless–a side-effect of having all the letters be a little thicker than we’ve gotten used to. You get the same effect when you color-correct SSE to match DeEd, the subs just look brighter at the same value.

Yeah, they appear and disappear on the correct frames, AFAICT.

EDIT: Yeah, they were based on 16mm reductions, so the timing should be perfect. The only reason there’s much of a problem with the appearance at all is that Harmy interpreted the blurry edges on the 16mm subtitles too conservatively.

CatBus said:

towne32 said:

Yeah, I was thinking they’re a bit too bright. Might pull the color value from Jedi.

They’re likely to seem a bit too bright regardless–a side-effect of having all the letters be a little thicker than we’ve gotten used to. You get the same effect when you color-correct SSE to match DeEd, the subs just look brighter at the same value.

Some screen comparisons I posted in the other thread. I like the sub brightness from 2.5.

• http://imgur.com/m5KLF29&cadTDCh&HcJrd2W&Zx7Cb0u

RGB values from Faithwyn’s screencaps:

2.5: 255,255,234
2.6: 252,255,253
2.65a: 255,251,249
2.65b: 254,254,254

Looks like it just boils down to how much you bring down the blue.

I didn’t take the letter forms from Puggo Grande at all - I based it on an IB frame posted by Mike Verta and IIRC they were very accurate to that.

And you misunderstand about the Jabba subs - they were taken directly from the 35mm print and it was the source print I color corrected before extracting them, not the final Despecialized video - they were composited without color change onto the already color-corrected BD.

Sorry, I was going off the image in this page, which was pretty blurry.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Harmys-STAR-WARS-Despecialized-Edition-HD-V25-MKV-IS-OUT-NOW/id/12713/page/75

Here’s the Mike Verta image in question:

That looks TOTALLY different than the Silver Screen Edition! SSE has some light bleed issues, sure, but I really don’t feel like that could account for all of it. Weeeird.

EDIT: If we’re going off Verta’s scan, I think the 2.5 subs are worth keeping. I think the issue of how these scans look so different (in the chunkiness/thickness of the subtitles) needs to be resolved before we start replacing the subtitles. The SEE scan more closely resembles the 35mm scan used for Jedi. Maybe the subtitles get thicker which each duplication step?

In AE, use the built in AE Add Grain effect and for the weave use The Wiggler: https://youtu.be/e8irFwZ6VPY

I don’t really remember what I used but think something like magnitude 0,5 pixels and frequency 24 should be about right.
As for the grain, you’ll need to experiment with that.

towne32 said:

Here’s a test of Greedo subs with weave, some grain, and a brightness adjustment:
https://mega.nz/#!SRRk0CgK!sK5txZwGwf-GDbpnzXk-qXDBvdL96iolog0k69sgi9o

That’s more better! Greedo, Han & the Subs look better. I think my speakers went out tho! 😄

Ok, now that I’ve had some sleep…
I was comparing the latest Subs to the previous clip, and the over all color to previous releases.
Here’s the latest clip compared to the latest full versions released.

• http://imgur.com/Vu4maVj&PYrVA4A&RrFbikU

I still prefer the earlier Subs, but the latest are a improvement over the clip titled: Greedo-.mp4

I’ve pretty much come to the conclusion that the subs on Tech prints were different than typical prints, probably due to the fact that typical prints are one or two generations down the duplication chain from Technicolor, and each step on the way makes the letters look thicker.

So, in my opinion, you should first decide, am I aiming for Technicolor or Eastman? If Technicolor, use the subs Harmy already made for 2.5. If Eastman, use the subs I provided. I won’t be making any adjustments to those subs, aside from color, any time soon.

Here’s some shots from the Test render v2.65 Video
with subtitles from v2.5

• http://imgur.com/a/Xz5EY

These I like…

Sorry Towne but I had to replace your Audio with the English 5.1
my Thai is a tad weak!