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CSchmidlapp said:

IcePrick said:

This might be of interest.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=11193

Given the fact how long this has taken to get a Blu-ray release, I was hoping they would finally release the Director's Cut but there's no mention of that.

I wonder which version it is? Got a horrible feeling its going to be the Theatrical Cut and not the unrated one.

Don't think were gonna get a Directors Cut, such a pity. Fingers still crossed.

 FYI this apparently includes both R rated and Unrated versions

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bigrob said:

CSchmidlapp said:

IcePrick said:

This might be of interest.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=11193

Given the fact how long this has taken to get a Blu-ray release, I was hoping they would finally release the Director's Cut but there's no mention of that.

I wonder which version it is? Got a horrible feeling its going to be the Theatrical Cut and not the unrated one.

Don't think were gonna get a Directors Cut, such a pity. Fingers still crossed.

 FYI this apparently includes both R rated and Unrated versions

Great. Hope there a good transfer.

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Just watched :)

This is the definitive version IMO. I doubt the Blu Ray will even replace this version as my fav!

I love the soundtrack amazing quality lot of effort!

Especially love the building at the start when he jumps inside!

Overall the only issue was the flashback with the shotgun, it fit really well but when he grabs the beam on fire and it isnt there i had second thoughts... Not sure if its because i'm so use to it being there??

Great job with the picture quality and DTS was loud and I felt every punch kick bullet though my sound system!

I so hope we get the Directors Cut one day in blu ray! This will do until then or if we don't its the next best thing

Great job much appreciated!

9.5/10

 

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This turned out really well. CSchmidlapp did a fantastic job. I want to watch it again this weekend!

 

 

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Wow! Great job Commodore!

This edit is absolutely flawless...in fact, the picture looked better than my good old DVD. The editing itself is great, nothing seemed out of place. Better yet, the bike surfing is gone (nice touch) so this is all good. I have never seen the workprint but I don't see how it could be better than this Ultimate Cut; therefore, this is now my definitive version of Hard Target that I will watch again for sure.

Thanks for sharing this with us!

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nickwpearce said:

Just watched :)

This is the definitive version IMO. I doubt the Blu Ray will even replace this version as my fav!

I love the soundtrack amazing quality lot of effort!

Especially love the building at the start when he jumps inside!

Overall the only issue was the flashback with the shotgun, it fit really well but when he grabs the beam on fire and it isnt there i had second thoughts... Not sure if its because i'm so use to it being there??

Great job with the picture quality and DTS was loud and I felt every punch kick bullet though my sound system!

I so hope we get the Directors Cut one day in blu ray! This will do until then or if we don't its the next best thing

Great job much appreciated!

9.5/10

 

Thanks for the feedback and Im glad you enjoyed so much.

The shotgun sequence has been mentioned before, wanted to keep as close to the workprint as possible so this had to stay.

The DTS is the way to go, only included the AC3 incase somebody could not decode DTS.

Thanks again nickwpearce.

 

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applecakes said:

This turned out really well. CSchmidlapp did a fantastic job. I want to watch it again this weekend!

 

 

Glad you enjoyed applecakes. Hope you enjoy multiple viewings. Thanks for the feedback.

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eric_ptnf said:

Wow! Great job Commodore!

This edit is absolutely flawless...in fact, the picture looked better than my good old DVD. The editing itself is great, nothing seemed out of place. Better yet, the bike surfing is gone (nice touch) so this is all good. I have never seen the workprint but I don't see how it could be better than this Ultimate Cut; therefore, this is now my definitive version of Hard Target that I will watch again for sure.

Thanks for sharing this with us!

Hi Eric.

Once again thanks for the kind comments.

Check out the workprint if you can tho you will be sad that we did not get this version in the first place.

Its awesome this is peoples definitive version of Hard Target.

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CSchmidlapp said:

eric_ptnf said:

Wow! Great job Commodore!

This edit is absolutely flawless...in fact, the picture looked better than my good old DVD. The editing itself is great, nothing seemed out of place. Better yet, the bike surfing is gone (nice touch) so this is all good. I have never seen the workprint but I don't see how it could be better than this Ultimate Cut; therefore, this is now my definitive version of Hard Target that I will watch again for sure.

Thanks for sharing this with us!

Hi Eric.

Once again thanks for the kind comments.

Check out the workprint if you can tho you will be sad that we did not get this version in the first place.

Its awesome this is peoples definitive version of Hard Target.

Speaking of the workprint,I read somewhere that there are Workprint A (2 hours and 34 seconds) and Workprint B (1 hour, 58 minutes and 55 seconds). Does anyone know the differences?

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Nice fan tweak from CSchmidlapp, using sources from domestic US release, as well as the harder international cut, and the VHS “Sneak Peek” workprint.  The result seemed much closer to Woo’s final stage of Hong Kong output.
Several scenes seemed little more than echoes from Hard Boiled.

One of Van Damme’s better roles, with Lance Henriksen and Arnold Vosloo outstanding as baddies.  Wilford Brimley as Cajun uncle is a classic of imbecile acting.

The edit was top rate.  Smooth, nothing jarring.  Music alterations were well done, also, and seemed to unify the structure better.

I was never happy that the DVD offered nothing beyond my Laserdisc copy.  This was great fun.  I'd say send a copy to JCVD to cheer his mood, but I guess not.

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Vultural said:

Nice fan tweak from CSchmidlapp, using sources from domestic US release, as well as the harder international cut, and the VHS “Sneak Peek” workprint.  The result seemed much closer to Woo’s final stage of Hong Kong output.
Several scenes seemed little more than echoes from Hard Boiled.

One of Van Damme’s better roles, with Lance Henriksen and Arnold Vosloo outstanding as baddies.  Wilford Brimley as Cajun uncle is a classic of imbecile acting.

The edit was top rate.  Smooth, nothing jarring.  Music alterations were well done, also, and seemed to unify the structure better.

Thanks for the feed back Vultural. Glad you enjoyed it.

I was never happy that the DVD offered nothing beyond my Laserdisc copy.  This was great fun.  I'd say send a copy to JCVD to cheer his mood, but I guess not.

I don't think he likes Hard Target much.

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Hi guys,
just wanted to leave a thumbs up for CSchmidlapp for making this edition. Really nice work.

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tlahti said:

Hi guys,
just wanted to leave a thumbs up for CSchmidlapp for making this edition. Really nice work.

Cheers tiahti.

Glad you enjoyed.

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No PM response so far from the thread starter for a few weeks now ...

Anyone else that can help a neighbor out?

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My two cents (From a Hard Target/JCVD Fan):

Video/Audio - almost flawless, notieced at the start the Audio was low with the machine gun shots before a small building explodes as her dad is rolling down a hill, I kind of remember that from the original version too though. The new video scene (I think) where JCVD and Yancy are in the bar looked great as with the whole movie and every frame looked as good as they could be to me.

The main differences I remember from my screener copy which I finally viewed last summer are the scene where the police lady, Kasi Lemmons, dies (seemed much more emotional, read that she recieves more wounds and he fires way more back at the killers), then the piano scene cut with the African hunting footage, the Arnold Vosloo character trying to convince Lance Henrickson that they should walk away near the end (more realistic and convincing), and then all the somersaults!!

This version didn't have the more powerful scene of the police ladies attack, the piano scene didn't intercut the animal hunts, hmm, Arnold Vosloo wasn't trying to convince Lance Henrickson like in the screener, but I'm really happy it didn't include all the somersaults!! I only counted three (well timed) ones here instead of the 15 or so from the screener!!

Pwn

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Hi NickIan

Thanks for the feedback.

 

NickIan said:

My two cents (From a Hard Target/JCVD Fan):

Video/Audio - almost flawless, notieced at the start the Audio was low with the machine gun shots before a small building explodes as her dad is rolling down a hill, I kind of remember that from the original version too though.

I didn't alter the mix in anyway here from the R2 PAL DVD, I think it all depends on the Audio setup you have.

 

The new video scene (I think) where JCVD and Yancy are in the bar looked great as with the whole movie and every frame looked as good as they could be to me.

This is in both the Theatrical and Unrated cuts released, I toned it down a bit in the audio mix and added a exterior shot from 'No Mercy' mainly to help with cuts as this section is re-arranged to the order of the workprint.

The main differences I remember from my screener copy which I finally viewed last summer are the scene where the police lady, Kasi Lemmons, dies (seemed much more emotional, read that she recieves more wounds and he fires way more back at the killers), then the piano scene cut with the African hunting footage, the Arnold Vosloo character trying to convince Lance Henrickson that they should walk away near the end (more realistic and convincing), and then all the somersaults!!

This version didn't have the more powerful scene of the police ladies attack, the piano scene didn't intercut the animal hunts, hmm, Arnold Vosloo wasn't trying to convince Lance Henrickson like in the screener, but I'm really happy it didn't include all the somersaults!! I only counted three (well timed) ones here instead of the 15 or so from the screener!!

I didn't use any video footage from the 'screener / workprint' only some audio. I tried to create the mood by remixing the audio ect. If I could find some decent HD footage to replicate the 'Animal Hunt' sequence its certainly something I would have done.

Again thanks for your comments.

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oirtoirt said:

No PM response so far from the thread starter for a few weeks now ...

Anyone else that can help a neighbor out?

But you didn't say the magic word!

Do you have it now?

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indeed. a friendly neighbor helped me out.

thanks for releasing this fanedit.

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I finally got a chance to watch this.  I had a great time sitting through this one!  It had been a long time since I'd watched my region 1 DVD, so I was doing my best to look for differences.  The theatrical release is all that I have ever seen, so nothing from the international/European edit was familiar to me.

The first scene I noticed was from the beginning where Binder is shown to be a more competent adversary by tossing the gasoline can at the hunters.  Binder jumping into the house before it explodes was new, too.  Some of the musical cues caught me off guard a bit as well, but I was not at all turned off by them.  Some of the different musical touches added a more dark atmosphere, in my opinion.

I had not even noticed the motorcycle balancing act being removed until reading comments here!  I think you had the right idea in trimming that down as it was a bit silly.

For me, the most notable differences took place in the Mardi Gras warehouse battle.  A lot of the fights were fleshed out more and allowed to breathe.  Is all of this visible in the European edit of the film?

One scene that surprised me was when Fouchon is hitting Chance with the wood plank.  In the U.S. edit, Chance grabs hold of the fiery plank and the camera slowly pans up to his face as flashbacks occur.  Fouchon and Chance have somewhat of a stare-down before the fight continues.  In this cut, Chance just quickly breaks the board and fights on.  I realize this was so because you rearranged the scene, but it was a moment I remembered well from the DVD.  Not sure which way I like better, but that scene stood out the most to me. 

Oh, and I can't forget Chance's flips.  I had never seen those before, minus the one where he surprises Fouchon by jumping through the fire.

I thought the picture quality was great on this release.  Easily a step up from the region 1 DVD.  No complaints with the audio, either.  A very bombastic track.

I have yet to purchase the U.K. Blu-ray, so I can't compare to that one.  I had been hoping a U.S. release would see the light of day soon, but it still remains in limbo.  Have said that, I really enjoyed your edit, CSchmidlapp.  You did a terrific job.  Your edit easily bests the region 1 DVD I own.  I look forward to another viewing in the near future.  Thanks again for making this available.

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Coligion said:

The first scene I noticed was from the beginning where Binder is shown to be a more competent adversary by tossing the gasoline can at the hunters.  Binder jumping into the house before it explodes was new, too.  Some of the musical cues caught me off guard a bit as well, but I was not at all turned off by them.  Some of the different musical touches added a more dark atmosphere, in my opinion.

 Adding a more dark atmosphere was what I intended, the Binder scene's are from the Euro cut apart from the Jump into the house that I inserted from the trailer. It is certainly more John Woo in my opinion.

For me, the most notable differences took place in the Mardi Gras warehouse battle.  A lot of the fights were fleshed out more and allowed to breathe.  Is all of this visible in the European edit of the film?

All but a few minor tweeks, I added a killing of a henchman (Discussed ealier in the thread) using repeat footage and some after effects.

One scene that surprised me was when Fouchon is hitting Chance with the wood plank.  In the U.S. edit, Chance grabs hold of the fiery plank and the camera slowly pans up to his face as flashbacks occur.  Fouchon and Chance have somewhat of a stare-down before the fight continues.  In this cut, Chance just quickly breaks the board and fights on.  I realize this was so because you rearranged the scene, but it was a moment I remembered well from the DVD.  Not sure which way I like better, but that scene stood out the most to me. 

Quite a few share your view on this, I do as well. I tried it both ways but kept this.

I have yet to purchase the U.K. Blu-ray, so I can't compare to that one.  I had been hoping a U.S. release would see the light of day soon, but it still remains in limbo.

The German release is the one to grab as It contains both cuts in english. But it maybe region locked. 

Have said that, I really enjoyed your edit, CSchmidlapp.  You did a terrific job.  Your edit easily bests the region 1 DVD I own.  I look forward to another viewing in the near future.  Thanks again for making this available.

Cheers, and thanks for taking the time to comment. Hope you enjoy multiple viewings.

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I showed Hard Target to my GF last week(and she loved it) just before I found this thread. I had no idea there were different cuts out there as its never been a movie I have looked into.

I live in the UK so would it of been the european cut I have seen all these years?

Could you PM me and let me know where I may find your edit as I am really interested?

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peter_pan said:

I showed Hard Target to my GF last week(and she loved it) just before I found this thread. I had no idea there were different cuts out there as its never been a movie I have looked into.

I live in the UK so would it of been the european cut I have seen all these years?

Could you PM me and let me know where I may find your edit as I am really interested?

PMed

Greatings peter_pan, im from the U.K also.

Wow a girlfriend to watch Hard Target with, got a good one there ;)

There have been 2 versions released in the u.k

The US Theatrical Version which was our cinema and Rental (Big Box) VHS version which had a big Uncut Version plastered across the top.

The European Version which was our Retail Version (Big Uncensored Version plastered across the top) and the one used on DVD, all T.V plays and now Blu-Ray.

Unoffically there are 2 more versions in the shape of workprints, there is more details about that previously in the forum.