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It only just occurred to me that The Lego Movie had Star Wars characters in it. In fact, after a quick glance at imdb, I see that both Anthony Daniels and Billy Dee Williams provided their voices. Maybe that was Lord and Miller’s built-in connection to the franchise that led to them getting the job.

Maybe they also just really wanted to direct this movie and had a really good agent. In retrospect, it almost seems like Kennedy needed a big name attached to the movie and L&M seemed like a good idea at the time. But it’s still kind of baffling to hear that Kennedy and Kasdan wanted a movie that felt like a Western … and yet hired two guys known pretty much solely for making comedies.

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Indeed, that’s the most baffling bit about this entire business. And it was Kasdan who apparently pushed hardest for their hiring in the first place.

The other influence on the film’s intended style was a “heist caper” type of film. I can understand thinking Lord & Miller might work for an Ocean’s Eleven style movie. But if you want to mix that sort of lighthearted film with the grimness of something like For a Few Dollars More? That’s a different order.

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So apparently George wrote the initial story treatment for this movie.

First I’m hearing of this.

Or it’s possible I heard about it forever ago and just forgot.

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Don’t forget what reshoots means these days. Since most scenes are done with green screen, they don’t have redo everything if they replace a character or a performance. They just need to block the actors the same way, and swap the previous green screened actors with the new ones, keeping all the VFX shot. Easy as pie.

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Richard Stamper said:

Don’t forget what reshoots means these days. Since most scenes are done with green screen, they don’t have redo everything if they replace a character or a performance. They just need to block the actors the same way, and swap the previous green screened actors with the new ones, keeping all the VFX shot. Easy as pie.

Except that if you’ve seen BTS of the latest SW movies, this isn’t the case. But nonetheless they should be able to pull it off. Rogue One ended up having more soundstage work due to the reshoots.

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All of this crazy news really makes me wonder how they’re going to handle the eventual behind-the-scenes making-of material. The story behind Ford’s accident on the set of TFA was conspicuously absent from the blu-ray, but Kennedy did bring up Michael Arndt’s draft.

I feel like there could be a similarly short mention of Lord & Miller’s “initial contributions” (nevermind that it was the bulk of principal photography) or they could really lean into this and give us the most interesting making-of ever.

The fact that it’s Disney makes me think we’ll get the former, but this has become an elephant in the room big enough to rival the OOT. I didn’t buy Rogue One on blu, but from what I’ve heard the extras don’t really bring up the massive reshoots we heard so much about. I’m sure they’ll figure out how to brush the whole L&M thing under the rug, if they even bring it up at all.

My biggest question is who will be credited in the finished film.

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Disney can’t spin doctor the Director’s Guild.

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There is precedent for this. This is not the first film to have multiple directors because the first one(s) got sacked. What has happened before falls into three categories. Either the one to finish it gets credit, the one who did the bulk of the work gets credit, or they all get credit. In the latter case, it is anyone’s guess who gets top billing. If they scrap pretty much everything they’ve done, I doubt they will get any credit for it.

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I don’t see how they can scrap five months of footage.

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And now its come out that Alden Ehrenreich had raised concerns about Lord and Miller during filming describing the Han Solo characterization as something akin to Ace Ventura.

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Thus far, all the hubbub about this film’s production arouses my interest more than the film itself.

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luckydube56 said:

And now its come out that Alden Ehrenreich had raised concerns about Lord and Miller during filming describing the Han Solo characterization as something akin to Ace Ventura.

If this is true, then I’m 200% on board with them getting sacked. I’m not a huge Ron Howard fan, but he’s absolutely competent. If he just assembles the movie according to Kasdan and Son’s script, I feel a lot better about that than the bro-down that it sounds like Lord and Miller were drifting towards, even if it isn’t the most inspired thing I’ve ever seen.

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luckydube56 said:

And now its come out that Alden Ehrenreich had raised concerns about Lord and Miller during filming describing the Han Solo characterization as something akin to Ace Ventura.

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Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
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SilverWook said:

Ron is a good solid choice. I don’t know if he’s the sort who has a “vision”, but he’s helmed plenty of complicated FX heavy films.

Maybe he can work in a real zero gravity sequence shot aboard the Vomit Comet as he did for Apollo 13.

I’ve always felt he’s a competent and underrated director. I enjoy A Beautiful Mind, Apollo 13, Cinderella Man, and Willow for instance. In fact, his handling of Willow (yes, I know critics didn’t like it much, but I love it!) gives me confidence in his ability to handle a Star Wars movie.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Thus far, all the hubbub about this film’s production arouses my interest more than the film itself.

Likewise. I’ve spent more time in the past 48 hours thinking about/looking into this film than I’ve paid attention to it since it was announced. Still won’t see it, but I’d read the crap out of a making-of book.

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I’ve always felt he’s a competent and underrated director. I enjoy A Beautiful Mind, Apollo 13, Cinderella Man, and Willow for instance. In fact, his handling of Willow (yes, I know critics didn’t like it much, but I love it!) gives me confidence in his ability to handle a Star Wars movie.

While you couldn’t pay me to see this film, I get the frustration fans are feeling with the appointment of Howard and Disney/Lucasfilm’s attitude in general. If it wasn’t obvious by now with TFA, Rogue One’s extensive reshoots and now this nonsense with Han Solo; these films are clearly being made by suits in a boardroom.
You don’t sink 200 million into a film to get art, you do it to make a billion. People seem to forget that Disney is a business, not an arthouse studio. This is obvious to anyone who actually thinks about it from a business perspective, but I suppose the general population doesn’t, which is why this is such a shock to the system and raising more than a few eyebrows.

So I guess the problem is that yes, he can handle a Star Wars movie, but the movie he’ll be handling will be what he’s told to do, as opposed to L&M who would have at the very least done something different. JJ is also a competent director, but TFA isn’t exactly an inspired work of art.
Lucas did a fair number of stupid things over the years, but Episodes I - VI were not made by suits to fit the category of "this is what a Star Wars movie should be."
I stopped seeing Marvel movies because it became an endless stream of the studio ticking requirement-checkboxes and the same rehashed formula over and over again, I don’t want to do that with Star Wars, but it seems every new Star Wars movie that comes out has studio meddling written all over it, this obviously being the worst case.

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Because Ron Howard is a total pushover.

[eyeroll]

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TV’s Frink said:

Because Ron Howard is a total pushover.

[eyeroll]

…Who said pushover? Ron Howard is not going to walk on set and create some artistic work of genius, he was hired because he’ll play ball and make the film Kathleen Kennedy wants him to make. He’s a yes-man, and if I was offered millions of dollars I would be too.

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Ryan-SWI said:

TV’s Frink said:

Because Ron Howard is a total pushover.

[eyeroll]

…Who said pushover?

Hahahaha, you did right afterwards!

he was hired because he’ll play ball and make the film Kathleen Kennedy wants him to make. He’s a yes-man

You seem to live in an alternate reality where words mean different things.

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I dont think “playing ball” is the right term per se. He wasn’t brought in for his take on Han Solo. He was brought in because he is a known quantity to Lucas Film. A friend of the family if you will. He was not brought in to re-imagine or re-tool or rebuild this movie. He was brought in because he is a sane and competent director. Not to say that he doesnt have imagination of his own. But he knows the functional ins and outs of directing producing and can be a steady and calming influence.

Like The Wolf from Pulp Fiction.

I think Lord and Miller are good directors. They are at the height of their popularity and they have a comedic tone that Lucasfilm trusted could be utilized in a toned down fashion. Lord/Miller wanted to stay true to themselves and take the film in a wild new direction. I cant say I blame them. It’s part of their success formula. Kennedy/Kasdan wanted to stay true to Han Solo and didnt want the level of “zaniness” they were getting.

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luckydube56 said:

I dont think “playing ball” is the right term per se. He wasn’t brought in for his take on Han Solo. He was brought in because he is a known quantity to Lucas Film. A friend of the family if you will. He was not brought in to re-imagine or re-tool or rebuild this movie. He was brought in because he is a sane and competent director. Not to say that he doesnt have imagination of his own. But he knows the functional ins and outs of directing producing and can be a steady and calming influence.

Like The Wolf from Pulp Fiction.

I think Lord and Miller are good directors. They are at the height of their popularity and they have a comedic tone that Lucasfilm trusted could be utilized in a toned down fashion. Lord/Miller wanted to stay true to themselves and take the film in a wild new direction. I cant say I blame them. It’s part of their success formula. Kennedy/Kasdan wanted to stay true to Han Solo and didnt want the level of “zaniness” they were getting.

Agree with everything above. Just wish they saw these differences earlier in production.

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I think we’ll get a restored OOT on Blu Ray before we ever get a true unvarnished account of what went on behind the scenes on this film.

And Guardians Of The Galaxy is the exception to any perceived Marvel “formula”. If anything, it’s success allowed James Gunn more freedom with the sequel.

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My guess is that they started off on script and as time went on they were getting further and further from it. It finally reached a point where it was not possible for them to correct themselves and so they are gone. I’ve seen similar things happen before.

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When?

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