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SilverWook said:

I don’t think Xizor has the recognition Maul has with casual fans and the general public though.

OMG, i remember an incident that happened over 20 years ago!

Me and a couple of friends watched the TPM teaser trailer, which i recorded from the German TV channel Pro7. And i recall one of my friends saw the “Darth-Maul-ignites-his-double-bladed-light-saber” and he asked immediately:

“Is that supposed to be the guy from Shadows of the Empire, Prince Xizor?”

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Haarspalter said:

SilverWook said:

I don’t think Xizor has the recognition Maul has with casual fans and the general public though.

OMG, i remember an incident that happened over 20 years ago!

Me and a couple of friends watched the TPM teaser trailer, which i recorded from the German TV channel Pro7. And i recall one of my friends saw the “Darth-Maul-ignites-his-double-bladed-light-saber” and he asked immediately:

“Is that supposed to be the guy from Shadows of the Empire, Prince Xizor?”

Have you seen this thread?
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Phantom-Menace-Trailer/id/66969

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A video on some of the very cool concept art from ‘The Art of Solo’ book…

The INCREDIBLE Ships & Vehicles CUT from Solo Movie - Concept Art Vehicles - Star Wars Explained’:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVcASM-RDUI - from the ‘MetaNerdz Lore’ youtube channel

 

as well as this ‘Solo A Star Wars Story - Art book flip through’ video - from the ‘trompoly studio’ youtube channel:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqo5ZEe09uA
 

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I find that answer vague and unconvincing. Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves?
Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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I haven’t seen Solo, but was just reminded in something I was reading that this film makes “Solo” a nickname of sorts and not his real last name.
I dunno how well or poorly it’s executed in the movie, but I love this!
It’s long been my personal canon that someone called him that sarcastically, and that Han kept it as his moniker. I hate the idea that it would really be his last name. The guy who’s a lone-wolf/loner type just happens to have the last name Solo? It’s like if Obi-Wan was Ben Ninja-Wizard and it’s just a coincidence that he is also actually a ninja-wizard.
So, to all here and abroad who’ve dissed my idea for 30some years… HA! IT’S CANON NOW!

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It’s early in the film, and it’s done similarly to the Godfather II scene where young Vito is given the name Corleone at Ellis Island.

I actually have the exact opposite opinion to yours about Solo being his last name, but it’s possible that my hatred of it is due to its execution in the film and not the idea itself. I’m not sure.

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What bothers me about the name, upon reflection, is that the now-cannon explanation basically establishes that Solo in the Star Wars universe actually means “alone” instead of being merely a series of sounds/letters which in English has an extra meaning.

I mean, realistically these characters wouldn’t be speaking English, but instead some alien dialect which is portrayed as English for the purposes of movie. Now for this to work, Han’s last name must translate to ‘lone wolf’ or something in that alien dialect and sound like an English word which has a similar meaning.

How very confusing.

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^Geeky and awesome. I forgot about the language thing.

It’s just executed terribly in the movie. Long pause…then punchline.

Should have just left it up to the imagination…and that’s why prequels are extremely hard to get right. 😛

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It sounds good on paper, but honestly I found the exchange cringe worthy. The Imperial just says it as if it just popped into his head and is funny.

Would have been better if Han came up with it, like so-
“Last name?”
“I don’t have one”
“Then pick one”
“Han… (glances at where Qira was taken) Solo”

Maul- A Star Wars Story

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Yeah, that might have worked better.

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Or maybe.

“What’s your name, son?”
“Han.”
“Han… what? Who are your people?”
“I don’t have people… I’m solo.”
“-Solo. Approved.”

The Imperial Officer does not care. He here’s ‘I’m blank’, and that’s all he registers. Gotta keep that line moving. So all you have to do is change ‘alone’ to ‘solo’, and Han, in a way, accidentally names himself.

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I actually like the “Han-gets-his-name” scene because of one aspect: the imperial officer shows a small amount of compassion to Han. Out of pity he gave Han a family name.

During his service on Corellia the imperial officer must have met a lot of miserable people. And maybe because of that he did not became a callousness soldier of the empire, but rather a tender-hearted officer that has to deal with a lot of desperate people who want to join the army of the empire.

IMO that scene adds to the atmosphere and world-bulding of Corellia. It expands the Star Wars universe just with a small dialogue.

Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
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The official version sounds bad.
I’d prefer him to just be called “Han” the entire movie. At the end he makes some comment on “going it alone/don’t need nobody” that kinda thing. Lando snickers and sarcastically says “Ok, Han Solo.” Han grins. Then when he introduces himself as “Han Solo” in Star Wars, it’s kinda funny.

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I appreciate your positive view on it, Haarspalter! I like how that little moment made you feel like it gave that Imperial officer a bit more depth than your average officer.

Another thing this made me think of is if Han had a last name before this moment. Han mentions that his father used to build YT freighters, so he wasn’t always an orphan. And Han makes it sound like he ran away from home, if I remember correctly. With that in mind, you would think Han would know what the officer meant when he asked him, “Han… what? Who are your people?” Was Han just being a little melodramatic in that moment, or had he also abandoned his family name when he left home?

I guess my point is that Han must have had a last name he was born with, and he knew about it, but for whatever reason chose not to recognize it. So when the officer suggested ‘Solo’, Han chose to go with that rather than correct him. Han voluntarily abandoning his family name makes more sense to me than there being a lot of single-named orphans running around, otherwise there could potentially be a lot of ‘Solos’ in the galaxy! And it seems like that was the first time the Imperial officer encountered a recruit with no family name, which to me means that other misfits and orphans who come to join the Empire usually, if not always, have a first and last name.

I know I am looking into this too much but I do think it is interesting! It’s fun to look at things in the Star Wars galaxy from an in-universe perspective.

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He should have just said “Han Solo.” 😛

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NeverarGreat said:

What bothers me about the name, upon reflection, is that the now-cannon explanation basically establishes that Solo in the Star Wars universe actually means “alone” instead of being merely a series of sounds/letters which in English has an extra meaning.

I mean, realistically these characters wouldn’t be speaking English, but instead some alien dialect which is portrayed as English for the purposes of movie. Now for this to work, Han’s last name must translate to ‘lone wolf’ or something in that alien dialect and sound like an English word which has a similar meaning.

How very confusing.

Hopefully if Solo 2 ever gets made they can get to the bottom of this.

Seriously though, there’s no ‘realistically,’ as realistically the GFFA does not exist in our galaxy, so it’s not necessarily necessary to assume that the language they’re speaking isn’t in fact, exactly the same as English. Not to mention, if we go down a ‘realistically’ rabbit hole, wouldn’t realistically a lot of the names be different? What are the chances that “Ben” and “Luke” are sounds that happen to be first names in both English and this imaginary dialect? Why couldn’t the names be ‘translated’ just like the other words?

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I always presumed that fish someone stuck in my ear was translating the whole thing anyway. 😛

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They should have deleted it and just included his name during the Imperial trainee scene. Which I guess goes for a lot of these weird annoying moments… they shelved half the movie but didn’t have any idea what actually worked.

Edit: was his father also just called Han?

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Mocata said:

They should have deleted it and just included his name during the Imperial trainee scene. Which I guess goes for a lot of these weird annoying moments… they shelved half the movie but didn’t have any idea what actually worked.

I don’t think they really shelved all that much (just reshot).

Edit: was his father also just called Han?

I think the implication is that Han does have a last name, but didn’t want to keep it because daddy issues.

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DominicCobb said:

Mocata said:

They should have deleted it and just included his name during the Imperial trainee scene. Which I guess goes for a lot of these weird annoying moments… they shelved half the movie but didn’t have any idea what actually worked.

I don’t think they really shelved all that much (just reshot).

Yeah, my understanding is that Lord and Miller were let go for straying too far from the Kasdans’ script and improvising too much, and Howard was brought in to bring the movie back on track (aka follow the script).

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I wonder if Ron Howard is going to become known as the troubled movie fixer now. Regardless of how Solo did at the box office, it was a pretty daunting task he took on.

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I’d prefer another movie, but I wouldn’t mind finding out what happens with Qi’ra, Maul, and Enfys Nest with a short series on Disney+.

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If the TV series end up with film level production values, I’d love a series on Enfys Nest. Even just four episodes a year would be nice. Two hours each, like the NBC Mystery Movies of the 70s. You had to wait a while between installments, but they put the extra work into writing and production.

She’s a super interesting character and a very nice step-out from the decades long established characters and stories. Disney is about to have unlimited broadcast time on their hands. No reason not to pour their endless resources into it.

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"Why are you here, Rey from nowhere?”

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‘Early drafts of Solo: A Star Wars Story featured Lando Calrissian’s ‘big brother’’:-

https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/early-drafts-solo-star-wars-story-lando-calrissians-big-brother-korso-jon-kasdan-115700870.html

https://twitter.com/JonKasdan/status/1168287139848773639
 

^ and more information in the linked article.
 

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I find that answer vague and unconvincing. Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves?
Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?