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Actually, Bluray will be out before AOD. It's already out in Japan. Also, not just the PS3 will have it. They also announced plans that the next wave of PS2s will have them as well. Sony is also considering Apple's AVC as a video codec. Hopefully, they'll avoid VC9.

Bossk, a S-VCR is a format JVC released in the 80s. Due to lack of promotion, interest,and lack of pre-recorded software(I hear there was an Indiana Jones release for displays), it never achieved what would have been a simple task of replacing video. It has the same luma res as LD, but the chroma of VHS. Prices back it the 80s had them in the $1000s. Now you can get one for about a $100. Most come with SVHS-ET, which let's you use a regular tape(a feature I use often). The biggest benefit for me, however, is the S-Video out. A simple S-Video cord cleans up a VHS tape like you wouldn't believe. If you use your VCR often(assuming you're not like the jack@$$es) I've seen who claim to have long junked everything connect to video, an S-VCR is well worth it. Better yet, get a D-VCR if you have a HDTV(which records exactly what you feed it, line for line). Yes, I did mean DVD-Audio. A consequential purchase, dad often buys hardware without consulting me. I put him through hell finding a TV when we moved.


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I'm constantly using my VHS for recording and playback of shows and movies from TV. While we have pitched a majority of our pre-recorded VHS, there are still a few lying around (mostly ones my wife and I bought for each other as gifts and therefore have sentimental attachment to or ones that we cannot replace with DVD yet like my SW trilogies).

Do most S-VHS players come with a combo of S Video and RCA out? Or is it just S Video out?
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Originally posted by: Klingon_Jedi
Actually, Bluray will be out before AOD. It's already out in Japan. Also, not just the PS3 will have it. They also announced plans that the next wave of PS2s will have them as well. Sony is also considering Apple's AVC as a video codec. Hopefully, they'll avoid VC9.


Blu-Ray is availble in Japan as a recording format. There is no prerecorded media in Japan. HD-DVD will have prerecorded media in Japan and America in 2005 while Blu-Ray will wait till 2006. Also HD-DVD is currently the better format. Things can change but HD-DVD seems much better now. True HD-DVD has much lower disc capacity then Blu-Ray but as of now Blu-Ray still uses MPEG-2. HD-DVD can use VC-9 and MPEG-4. With these better compression a 30 gigabit HD-DVD holds 30% more information then a 54 gigabit Blu-Ray at MPEG-2. Not to mention HD-DVD is far cheaper and has more studio support. Even with this new Playstation 3 information HD-DVD still has the edge overall. I think by making Blu-Ray a Playstation 3 standard they will essentially kill of there console with the high price it would require. I think the smartest thing for Playstation 3 to do is have a separte unit compatible with Blu-Ray and a much cheaper Playstation 3 without Blu-Ray.
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I don't understand why everyone thinks adding BluRay to the PS3 is going to send the MSRP through the roof. The original PS2s sold for $300 USD, but they cost a lot more than that to produce.

Sony is in this for the long haul, and they'll take another loss on the hardware in order to achieve market dominance. They also know that modern "game machines" are being sold more to young adults with deep pockets than to kids, so it wouldn't surprise me if they take the chance of bumping up the introductory price to $400 USD and easing their losses a bit. Game addicts will bitch like crazy, then hand over their credit cards.

I don't think Sony will go with a rich man (BluRay) / poor man (no BluRay) dual PS3 release. Don't forget that incorporating BluRay into the PS3 isn't just about being able to play movies; the extra storage space will certainly help push the next generation of games even closer to reality. With two different machines, developers would be forced to choose between maximizing game quality by taking advantage of the massive capacity of BluRay or maximizing sales by making games that are compatible with both machines. You also end up with format confusion among consumers, not to mention a separate production line, which would drive up manufacturing costs even further. Running two different lines might even negate any cost savings incurred by building a non-BluRay machine.
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I don't understand why everyone thinks adding BluRay to the PS3 is going to send the MSRP through the roof. The original PS2s sold for $300 USD, but they cost a lot more than that to produce.

Sony is in this for the long haul, and they'll take another loss on the hardware in order to achieve market dominance. They also know that modern "game machines" are being sold more to young adults with deep pockets than to kids, so it wouldn't surprise me if they take the chance of bumping up the introductory price to $400 USD and easing their losses a bit. Game addicts will bitch like crazy, then hand over their credit cards.

I don't think Sony will go with a rich man (BluRay) / poor man (no BluRay) dual PS3 release. Don't forget that incorporating BluRay into the PS3 isn't just about being able to play movies; the extra storage space will certainly help push the next generation of games even closer to reality. With two different machines, developers would be forced to choose between maximizing game quality by taking advantage of the massive capacity of BluRay or maximizing sales by making games that are compatible with both machines. You also end up with format confusion among consumers, not to mention a separate production line, which would drive up manufacturing costs even further. Running two different lines might even negate any cost savings incurred by building a non-BluRay machine.


Yes Jay but like I said the DVD format was 3.5 years old when the Playstation 2 came out. By then the DVD format had dropped in cost enough that it could be encorperated cheaply. Not to mention that even the cheapest players at the time were superior for playback then the Playstation 2. If Sony releases Playstation 3 in late 2006 then Blu-Ray will be only 6 months old. Not enough time for the format to drop enough to be encorperated into the console cheaply. So putting Blu-Ray into the console will definutly raise the consoles price through the roof. $500 at the very least probably more. Not to mention Xenon is set to come out the same time with a much cheaper price and likely equal graphics and software support.
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Once again, VC-9 isn't actual HD, and its AOD's main codec, so the picture has less info, not more. The studios are known to mostly support Blu-ray, while none fully back HD-DVD. More improtantly, the manufactuers support Blu-ray. We're talking Matsushita, Mitsubishi, Hitachi, Pioneer, Samsung, Sharp, TDK, Hewlett Packard and Dell. Sony even removed the one flaw it originally had, having no backwards compatibility. HD-DVD had to modify itself to a blue laser(originally, it was red). I still haven't read of AOD using the DVD-A audio format. Could you show me a link? Blu-ray is also considering AVC for a codec. They'll barely cost more than regular DVDs, and are certain to dominate the PC and gaming market.


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Originally posted by: Klingon_Jedi
Once again, VC-9 isn't actual HD, and its AOD's main codec, so the picture has less info, not more. The studios are known to mostly support Blu-ray, while none fully back HD-DVD. More improtantly, the manufactuers support Blu-ray. We're talking Matsushita, Mitsubishi, Hitachi, Pioneer, Samsung, Sharp, TDK, Hewlett Packard and Dell. Sony even removed the one flaw it originally had, having no backwards compatibility. HD-DVD had to modify itself to a blue laser(originally, it was red). I still haven't read of AOD using the DVD-A audio format. Could you show me a link? Blu-ray is also considering AVC for a codec. They'll barely cost more than regular DVDs, and are certain to dominate the PC and gaming market.


Just about everything you said is wrong. First of all AOD doesn't excist anymore. Its HD-DVD. Also VC-9 is a compression standard not a video standard. So saying that VC-9 isn't HD makes no sense at all. VC-9 allows 3x the video storage efficiency. With that a 30 gigabit HD-DVD can hold 30% more then a 54 gigabit Blu-Ray at MPEG-2. Also HD-DVD will use 24/96 MLP of DVD-audio. Blu-Ray is still limited to the next generation of standard doby and DTS. Blu-Ray will sound better then SD-DVD but HD-DVD takes it a step even further. Japanese Studio Poly Cannon and Time Warner both fully back HD-DVD. Universal, Fox, Artisan, and Disney all support HD-DVD over Blu-Ray. They voted for HD-DVD in the Forum and rejected joining the Blu-Ray association. Studios are attracted to HD-DVD for its cheaper price and better sound quality. No studio other then Columbia Tristar has shown any intrest in Blu-Ray. Also the DVD forum is made up of 210 companies. Only 13 companies back Blu-Ray. Also both formats are backwards compatible. Anything else would be suicide. The difference is HD-DVD can read both red and blue lasers with the same diode. Blu-Ray requires two diodes to read both formats. Since the majority of a players cost is in laser diodes Blu-Ray players will be signifigantly more expensive then HD-DVD players.
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Just about everything you said is wrong.
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My, aren't we so high and mighty. Phrase your sentences better.

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First of all AOD doesn't excist anymore. Its HD-DVD.


It is AOD, the names are interchangable. Exist has no "c".

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Also VC-9 is a compression standard not a video standard. So saying that VC-9 isn't HD makes no sense at all.


As a "compression codec" aka "video codec", VC-9 can not replicate all the luminence of HD. Hence, due to the "compression codec", true HD is not attained.

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VC-9 allows 3x the video storage efficiency.


At the lost of luminence. Not very efficent.

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With that a 30 gigabit HD-DVD can hold 30% more then a 54 gigabit Blu-Ray at MPEG-2.
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With more compression. 54 Gb is more than 30 GB of physical storage.

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Also HD-DVD will use 24/96 MLP of DVD-audio. Blu-Ray is still limited to the next generation of standard doby and DTS.


Again, link or article, please.

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Blu-Ray will sound better then SD-DVD but HD-DVD takes it a step even further. Japanese Studio Poly Cannon and Time Warner both fully back HD-DVD. Universal, Fox, Artisan, and Disney all support HD-DVD over Blu-Ray. They voted for HD-DVD in the Forum and rejected joining the Blu-Ray association. Studios are attracted to HD-DVD for its cheaper price and better sound quality. No studio other then Columbia Tristar has shown any intrest in Blu-Ray.


False. No companies have I read outwardly support HD-DVD. Show me the articles. Sony is set to purchase MGM. Fox supports D-VHS, as does Universal and Artisan. Warner and Disney are swing votes. ALL major makers back Blu-ray, driving costs down. Cost isn't an issue.

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Also the DVD forum is made up of 210 companies. Only 13 companies back Blu-Ray. Also both formats are backwards compatible. Anything else would be suicide. The difference is HD-DVD can read both red and blue lasers with the same diode. Blu-Ray requires two diodes to read both formats. Since the majority of a players cost is in laser diodes Blu-Ray players will be signifigantly more expensive then HD-DVD players.


Blu-ray uses the same diode at different wavelengths.

Both formats have strenghes and weaknesses. However, blantenly telling someone they are wrong with little to back yourself up with makes you appear no less wrong. Like I said, show me where you got your info. Then, be more polite and my rebuttel or aceptence will be in turn.


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Both Sony and Warner want MGM. Warners bit was much bigger then Sonys. So unless Sony bids higher in the next few weeks Warner will win. Poly Cannon and Warner both support HD-DVD. Warner is much bigger then Sony for movies. New Line is a Time Warner company and if things don't change so will MGM.
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Do most S-VHS players come with a combo of S Video and RCA out? Or is it just S Video out?


Yes, they do. JVC realises that not all consumers have S-Video connectivity.

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Technically HD DVD was better than blu-ray.