HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray — Page 6

Author: PSYCHO_DAYV
Time: 10-Jan-2005 10:17 AM
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BUT STANDARD DVD WILL WORK ON AN HD-DVD PLAYER. THINK OF IT LIKE PS1 AND PS2.

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Author: sean wookie
Time: 10-Jan-2005 10:18 AM
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how much will the things cost

Author: PSYCHO_DAYV
Time: 10-Jan-2005 10:26 AM
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THAT'S STILL UP IN THE AIR RIGHT NOW, BUT WORD HAS IT THAT THE HD-DVDs AND BLU-RAYs WILL COST CONSUMERS 30% MORE THAN THE CURRENT GOING RATE FOR STANDARD DVD.

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Author: sean wookie
Time: 11-Jan-2005 6:28 AM
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i bet you have to have an hd-tv to use an hd-dvd

Author: GundarkHunter
Time: 11-Jan-2005 6:32 AM
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You bet correctly. That's why it's going to take so much longer for the winning HD format to be adopted; a format war doesn't help matters either.

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Author: Bossk
Time: 11-Jan-2005 7:13 AM
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I thought I heard they made a "dumb down" adaptor that allows HD-DVD players to play through standard TVs. Kinda defeats the purpose, but still and all the same.

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Author: GundarkHunter
Time: 11-Jan-2005 8:57 AM
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They may have, but how many people are honestly going to go out and buy HD-DVD or Blu-Ray for a conventional TV? Current DVD on a high quality display is already HD enough for them.

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Author: Bossk
Time: 11-Jan-2005 9:20 AM
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There are some people that are dumb enough and then there are those that are going to perform an incremental upgrade (first the player, then the TV, then the sound system, etc.) and then there are those that will worry that their DVD player will become null and void and upgrade just to have the latest and greatest regardless.

If you sell it, they will buy.

Author: starkiller
Time: 11-Jan-2005 9:39 AM
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Originally posted by: Bossk
I thought I heard they made a "dumb down" adaptor that allows HD-DVD players to play through standard TVs. Kinda defeats the purpose, but still and all the same.

Toshiba has also developed a dual-layer disk that uses both DVD and HD-DVD.

So you could buy 1 disk, and it would play at either HD or standard viewing.

Author: PSYCHO_DAYV
Time: 11-Jan-2005 9:44 AM
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I thought I heard they made a "dumb down" adaptor that allows HD-DVD players to play through standard TVs. Kinda defeats the purpose, but still and all the same.

THERE IS AN ADAPTOR. IT RUNS FOR AROUND $150.00 U.S.

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Author: sean wookie
Time: 11-Jan-2005 9:53 AM
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will blue ray work on a regular tv

Author: Bossk
Time: 11-Jan-2005 10:26 AM
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Not without an adaptor as well, so far as I know.

Author: sean wookie
Time: 11-Jan-2005 10:54 AM
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I HAVE TO BUY A 150 BUCK ADAPTOR!!!!!

Author: Darth Simon
Time: 11-Jan-2005 12:42 PM
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I HAVE TO BUY A 150 BUCK ADAPTOR!!!!!

You dont HAVE to buy anything

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Author: sean wookie
Time: 11-Jan-2005 12:57 PM
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to watch movies i do

Author: TR47
Time: 11-Jan-2005 10:35 PM
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Any company which wishes to remain in business selling HDDVD players will include a red laser as well as a blue laser assembly so it will be backwards compatible with regular DVD format. HDDVD will not benefit anyone except those with high quality HD displays-playing them on a conventional non HD TV set is even more useless than owning anamorphically enhanced DVDs, as you obviously cannot take advantage of the format's superior image quality. My guess is that the new format will be slow to gain acceptance, as most consumers will not see a need to upgrade, especially when the physical media is so similar. For this reason it will likely be expensive for the first several years.

Author: Bossk
Time: 12-Jan-2005 4:02 AM
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It will need to be expensive to help close the profit gap caused by R&D and marketing.

Author: GundarkHunter
Time: 12-Jan-2005 4:53 AM
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Besides, DVD isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Any HD disc format is going to be niche oriented before gaining mass acceptance. Everyone assumes that HD will be adopted as quickly as DVD, but because the cash outlay is so massive to achieve any discernible benefit (my guess is around $750 to $1500 for a player plus a minimum $1000 investment in display equipment, plus the fact that HD discs are going to carry at least a 30% price premium over regular DVDs), I'd say it's going to take a minimum of 10 years to reach current DVD levels.

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Author: PSYCHO_DAYV
Time: 12-Jan-2005 7:17 AM
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I THINK THAT I'LL ONLY TAKE THREE YEARS MUCH LIKE STANDARD DVD.

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Author: Bossk
Time: 12-Jan-2005 8:56 AM
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No, I disagree. Too much new equipment needed. The transfer will cost too much. I know I won't be buying into it for a long time because I have no desire. That much clarity of sound and picture truly mean nothing to me.

If it could work with existing equipment, it would catch much more quickly. But it doesn't, so it won't.

Author: Patrick R.
Time: 12-Jan-2005 1:19 PM
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I think it will take a long time to gain acceptance as well for the reasons you guys mentions. A format war between two camps doesn't help. Forget about which one we think is better because of cost or storage space. Think about which one offers the movies you want.

Unfortunately, the studios are just about evenly divided between the two formats. So, most of us who are basically screwed because we would have to buy two different players to play all of the movies we want. I'll give you a good example of what I mean. As it stands now, Indiana Jones equals HD-DVD and Star Wars equals Blu-Ray. Fox hasn't comitted to Blu-Ray yet, but I feel pretty confident they will since they joined their board, panel, or whatever it is called (the same thing Disney joined).

I don't know about most of you, but the extra video and audio quality will not be worth the high cost for me. I know movies will look and sound better, but the quality difference had better be better than the difference between VHS and current DVD. I will not buy into either format until a reliable player comes along that can play DVD, HD-DVD, and Blu-Ray. It is too bad that all of the studios just didn't get behind one format and force the other one to either cooperate or disband. I think there is room for both formats as long as they are cooperating instead of competing. Some movies won't need the space Blu-Ray offers and some will. Blu-Ray would also be great for TV shows.

Who knows, this format war may kill both formats and we will have to wait for the one that comes out after that.

Patrick

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Author: PSYCHO_DAYV
Time: 12-Jan-2005 1:40 PM
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BLU RAY IS PERFECT FOR VIDEO GAMES. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT SONY IS ALREADY GETTING THE GAMES READY FOR IT. IT'S ALSO RUMORED THAT THE PS3 WILL ONLY PLAY BLU RAY. SO MUCH FOR SONY'S REVERSE COMPATABILITY PLEDGE.

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Author: Patrick R.
Time: 12-Jan-2005 4:10 PM
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I wonder if Xbox 2 will be HD-DVD since PS3 will be Blu-Ray. I found an interesting article here that talks about it some. I also know Xbox 2 is going to be backwards compatible because of another article I read some time ago that I will have to look for. That article said that ATI is making the graphics chip for the next Xbox and that they were running into a few problems because Nvidia is reluctant to give up the code they used on the graphics chip for the current Xbox. Many of the games on the current Xbox were made to utilize advanced features of the built-in Nvidia graphics chip. The article did state that Nvidia would give up the code so that ATI could work out the problems.

I don't own an Xbox or PS2, but it does seem like the Xbox is doing a good job in catching up with PS2 in my opinion. The only things that make the PS2 more attractive to me is the ability to play PS1 games and some of the franchises like Final Fantasy.

Patrick

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Author: GundarkHunter
Time: 12-Jan-2005 4:13 PM
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I don't own an Xbox or PS2, but it does seem like the Xbox is doing a good job in catching up with PS2 in my opinion. The only things that make the PS2 more attractive to me is the ability to play PS1 games and some of the franchises like Final Fantasy.

Patrick

Which is why I don't think Sony will go through with making the PS3 play only Blu-Ray.

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Author: DanielB
Time: 13-Jan-2005 1:10 AM
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TR-47 I agree with you. Let me share a small secret of marketing with you, when you present your product for the market you need to let the market tell you what product they want to buy. You can not sell a product by developing it and assuming the market will adopt it.

Also, I don't believe you need a red laser at all to read DVD's/CD's? I was under the impression the blue laser can be used to read the pits just as well, if not better than the red lasers in use today... I'm 90% sure of it actually.