reave said:
SilverWook said:
Wish I still had a copy of this. Would make for a great cover?
That would make a great cover. If a high res can't be found, it wouldn't be too hard to replicate.
Need a preservation to wrap it around first though :)
I sent the owner of that magazine a letter asking him if he'd consider giving us a high-res scan to use as a DVD case insert. I'll let you guys know if and how he responds.
msycamore said:
SilverWook said:
How does the pan and scan process actually work? I can't recall reading anything that went into the nuts and bolts of the process. Are shots panned and scanned during the transfer process or after?
I have no idea how it really worked, sometimes the operator was even forced to make new cuts in the middle of a scene instead of panning back and forth between the important sections of the action, IIRC it happens several times in the SW transfers.
reave said:
Fingers crossed that your tape looks decent, but even if it doesn't, I would still like to make a preservation disc of it.
If the version aired on HBO really is the one used on the LD's and CED, you could maybe take use of those if you want better quality for the main feature. Like russs15 described, time-compressed meant it was just sped up by 4% just like PAL-speedup, so I think a simple conversion should do the trick.
While using the CED/LD version might technically be the same, and would work in a pinch if the true HBO airing couldn't be obtained, I would much prefer to find the original. The time compression used for the CED/LD is likely different than the PAL speedup, as its intended purpose was to fit the running time to the formats limitations, not a framerate issue. It would also be missing the HBO watermarks.
I'm sure a reasonable facsmile could be approximated, but it wouldn't have quite the same feeling.
Anchorhead said:
reave said:
SilverWook said:
Wish I still had a copy of this. Would make for a great cover?
That would make a great cover. If a high res can't be found, it wouldn't be too hard to replicate.
Need a preservation to wrap it around first though :)
I sent the owner of that magazine a letter asking him if he'd consider giving us a high-res scan to use as a DVD case insert. I'll let you guys know if and how he responds.
Ask them about the January '83 issue if you get a reply. I used to have that one too, and the Star Wars graphic for the "coming next month" ad on the back cover is pretty neat.
There's a facebook page mentioned on the Youtube video as well.
Where were you in '77?
reave said:
The time compression used for the CED/LD is likely different than the PAL speedup, as its intended purpose was to fit the running time to the formats limitations, not a framerate issue. It would also be missing the HBO watermarks.
Hmm, anyone who knows the specifics on how they accomplished the time-compressed video on LD, is there even a way to fully restore such video to its original state?
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com
From http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/star-wars.html
...the CED is slightly time compressed causing the CED player and LaserDisc player to rapidly fall out of sync. Time compression was used on the CED to fit the movie and end credits into the 120 minute limit of a single CED disc (this limit was increased to 126 minutes in 1984).
Claims of a 2.54% speedup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBtPDAbAkPE
And from http://www.cedmagic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2390&sid=d603c06c11095db46d9cc38e0c227b6c
Stars Wars was issued on CED as 24543-11309 ( NTSC) and 24543-38381 ( PAL ). The entire movie is on one Videodisc and the running time listed on the caddy cover is 118 mins.
The first trail mastering for this title was a 2 disc set. This was 24534-07005. The running time on disc one was S1, 41 mins and S2, 53 mins and for the second disc S3, 28 mins. This is a total of 122 mins.
SilverWook said:
Ask them about the January '83 issue if you get a reply. I used to have that one too, and the Star Wars graphic for the "coming next month" ad on the back cover is pretty neat.
I haven't heard back yet, but it looks like he only has two HBO magazines.
http://starwarsmagazines.online.fr/hbo.html
His collection is very interesting and a great look back at how big a deal Star Wars was. It's a nice reminder to me of how long, as fans, we had to wait for the tiniest snippets of information and connection to the film. Very different from today's hyper-connected, hyper-saturated fan base.
I found a Yahoo group, but you need to join up to see anything.
Where were you in '77?
The guy replied and sent several high-res scans. There's no doubt someone could come up with a great HBO DVD cover using the pages he scanned.
He is very nice and also very interested in the preservation work. He also has a 16mm copy of Star Wars that he sometimes shows in private screenings. If we have any members in France, maybe you can meet him in person and go to one. I gave him a link to our site, so maybe he'll join and give us a look. He sounds like a wealth of info and sympathetic to our cause.
Here are the files he sent;
http://s1127.photobucket.com/albums/l634/Anchorhead/HBO%20preservation/
Photobucket downsized them a touch, but they're still very good. If you need the originals, PM me with an email address that accepts large attachments.
WIP
Anchorhead said:
The guy replied and sent several high-res scans. There's no doubt someone could come up with a great HBO DVD cover using the pages he scanned.
He is very nice and also very interested in the preservation work. He also has a 16mm copy of Star Wars that he sometimes shows in private screenings. If we have any members in France, maybe you can meet him in person and go to one. I gave him a link to our site, so maybe he'll join and give us a look. He sounds like a wealth of info and sympathetic to our cause.
Here are the files he sent;
http://s1127.photobucket.com/albums/l634/Anchorhead/HBO%20preservation/
Photobucket downsized them a touch, but they're still very good. If you need the originals, PM me with an email address that accepts large attachments.
Hi everybody !
I am the "guy" and I thank you to welcome me among the members of your circle.
As much as my schedule allows it, I will try to take part to your discussions which are of great interest for me. As an early fan of the original trilogy (I was born in 1972), I am still hoping Lucas will change his mind about it...
I should be back soon around here !
Thank you for your enthusiasm :-)
Bob (Baudime)
P.S. : I own super-8 copies of the three original Star Wars movies (not 16mm). They are in English, widescreen, and stereo : no special editions, no additional FX or scenes. Just the original as we watched them back in the 70s and 80s.
the Star Wars vintage magazine vault : http://starwarsmagazines.online.fr
TKF821 said:
P.S. : I own super-8 copies of the three original Star Wars movies (not 16mm). They are in English, widescreen, and stereo : no special editions, no additional FX or scenes. Just the original as we watched them back in the 70s and 80s.
Wow, you mean you have the Derann scope Super-8's? :-O That's awesome.
Welcome aboard, TKF821! It's great to see that HBO guide again. I foolishly sold my personal copy with most of my SW collection in the 90's. Do you have the previous month's edition with Star Wars on the back cover?
And if your Super 8's are what I think they are, I may faint!
Just to update everyone, I lucked out in being able to buy a fully refurbished Sony Betamax to replace my existing creaky machine. (At a reasonable price too.) I should have it by the end of the week. :)
Where were you in '77?
Good news all around. Here's hoping the video looks good.
SilverWook said:
Just to update everyone, I lucked out in being able to buy a fully refurbished Sony Betamax to replace my existing creaky machine. (At a reasonable price too.) I should have it by the end of the week. :)
Looking forward to that. It'd be interesting to see how an HBO version of Star Wars looked, as it was way before my time.
I've not been one to download any preservations in the past because I don't watch the film version very often. The GOUT is enough for me. However, this is a version I'd definitely get a copy of. It was a very big deal at the time and Star Wars as a story was still very clean.
Bob, thanks again for your help with the magazine scans and welcome aboard. I think some of the younger members here will love going through your collection of 70s and 80s magazines. Very interesting look at how innocent the franchise was at the beginning.
Sorry about the 16mm-8mm confusion. There are some 8mm aficionados here who will be very interested in hearing about your print.
TServo2049 said:
TKF821 said:
P.S. : I own super-8 copies of the three original Star Wars movies (not 16mm). They are in English, widescreen, and stereo : no special editions, no additional FX or scenes. Just the original as we watched them back in the 70s and 80s.
Wow, you mean you have the Derann scope Super-8's? :-O That's awesome.
Derann released a super-8 copy of Star Wars in scope, and this is the one I own. But Empire and Jedi are copies that I found in Germany from an unknown source.
I don't think Derann ever issued copies of those two last movies.
the Star Wars vintage magazine vault : http://starwarsmagazines.online.fr
At least you have the Derann of the first movie, that's the most "important" one.
Zombie's site says Derann released a similar scope Super-8 of Jedi. Some outfit called Classic Home Cinema released Empire, also in scope.
Hmm... are these scope 8mm digests, or the full film? Very curious...
also, more importantly, welcome to the forums!
A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em
AvP said:
WIP
That's a nice mockup. I wonder if the photo HBO used is out there someplace?
Where were you in '77?
bkev said:
Hmm... are these scope 8mm digests, or the full film? Very curious...
also, more importantly, welcome to the forums!
Thank you !
These are full feature films copies.
I also have the digests - but the three films runs their complete duration.
There is one point I would like to stress about the successive new versions released by Mr Lucas : the fact that a few sfx may be fixed discreetly does not disturb me. I just wonder why they fixed tiny details, while the space slug (in Empire) is so ridiculous !
My personal dream would be to have the original cuts released with all lost scenes, and a few sfx fixed. And that's it !
the Star Wars vintage magazine vault : http://starwarsmagazines.online.fr
The "new" beta is being a real pain in the ass. It doesn't like anything aside from the demo recording that came with it. (Linear audio sounds muffled as well.) Fiddling with the tracking isn't helping enough, so I'm going to hook up the other deck and try that again.
This is really frustrating.
Have I ever mentioned how much I hate videotape? ;)
Where were you in '77?
SilverWook said:
This is really frustrating.
Have I ever mentioned how much I hate videotape? ;)
LOL. Hang in there, SilverWook. Any transfer you appreciate would be much appreciated.
I'm doing one off the older beta just for the audio right now. Only way to be sure if the other one has muffled linear playback.
BTW, the date of the HBO recording is 2-19-83. Written right on the label. :)
This tape starts right on the "Galaxy Far Far Away" frame, but is complete to the end. The other tape has noticeably worse tracking on both machines, but starts in mid Fox Fanfare. No indication of what cable channel it was recorded from, as it cuts off soon as the credits finish.
Where were you in '77?
Why not ask Ray Glasser, the guy who posted the intro on YouTube, to send you a raw video capture of his intro so you can attach it to your copy?
Also, I know you claimed it wasn't time compressed, but did you check the sound pitch again to make sure? Ray's recording of the intro to the premiere has the same time compression as the first LD and CED...
