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HARRY POTTER AND THE GOBLET OF FIRE

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“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Everything is a blatant rip off of something else. Hell, Tolkien and CS Lewis more than likely ripped off old myths they were familiar with and used them for their stories.

So because someone is Christian they automatically dislike this Potter stuff?

Everything has to be "dark" these days; saying your film is "dark" makes good advertising buzz.
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

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Harry Potter is way better then LOTR in many respects, it has proper foreshadowing and is well thought out, where as Tolkien just made it up as he went, and not that I don't love reading entire pages about grass growing, and what not, but its nice to read something where the writer understood the concept of brevity and leaving out the boring stuff

Dont get me wrong, I love LOTR, but I find Potter to be much better written in the sense of a compelling story told in an exciting fashion, and its a lot more modern and thoughtful then RIngs and its christian overtones and and racist undertones. A product of its time and place, I won't hold that against the dear professor, but it doesn't change the fact.

Either way, His Dark Materials is waaaaaay better then both Potter and Rings
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Everything is a blatant rip off of something else. Hell, Tolkien and CS Lewis more than likely ripped off old myths they were familiar with and used them for their stories.

So because someone is Christian they automatically dislike this Potter stuff?

Everything has to be "dark" these days; saying your film is "dark" makes good advertising buzz.


Just because someone is christian doesn't mean that dislike Harry Potter. I am a christian that likes Harry Potter. Some people said it was about witchcraft and what-not, and doesn't have the LOTR style christian overtones, its bad, but most christians don't think that way.
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yeah I was suppose to do some work for this evanglical pastor who thought that a secret council of witches control all the media in the world and were using htings like Buffy and HP to prepare the populace for a demonic take over.

I wish I was joking.
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I'm a Christian, and I see absolutely no problems with Harry Potter.

But I'm seeing the movie Friday afternoon. I got my tickets for it yesterday! And, in preparation, I'm reading the books again. I'm over halfway through Goblet of Fire right now, but seeing as how I have a 10 page paper and Japanese homework and Christmas show rehearsal, I have a feeling I'm not going to meet my goal of finishing the book again right before I see the movie, as I did with Prisoner of Azkaban.

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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
yeah I was suppose to do some work for this evanglical pastor who thought that a secret council of witches control all the media in the world and were using htings like Buffy and HP to prepare the populace for a demonic take over.

I wish I was joking.


Sounds to me like Pat Robertson.
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Somehow I think I'll wait till GOF comes to DVD. I feel too embarrassed to go see at a theater, especially since I no longer work at one and can't get in to see it for free.
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OH FUCK YEAH! I'm all over this like a mynock on a negative power coupling

(*pushes glasses up on nose*)

I've been looking forward to this one for a while - I just finished reading the latest book, and the series keeps getting better.

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I'll be seeing it, but not tonight. Have too much to do in the office. Affidavits to write, trials to prepare... the joys of being a lawyer, especially one fresh out of law school.

To the naysayers who say that Harry Potter is all about witchcraft: Hello? How clueless are you? Do you not know what allegory and symbolism are all about? *gets off soapbox*

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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Everything is a blatant rip off of something else. Hell, Tolkien and CS Lewis more than likely ripped off old myths they were familiar with and used them for their stories.



Actually, since Tolkien was a professor at Oxford and had a lot of dealings with the old English mythology (he even has a published translation of
Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, Pearl, and Sir Orfeo) he definitely drew on them for his LOTR and other books. He expecially drew a lot from Beowulf; for instance, the stuff with Smaug's lair in The Hobbit bears a lot of resemblance to some bits about the dragon's lair in Beowulf, like the fact that a thief stole a trinket from the dragon's hoard, and the dragon therefore got angry and destroyed a nearby town.

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I never noticed that there were other christians on this board. here i was all this time thinking I was the only one who was a christian here and there are others! cool!

As far as Potter goes, I have seen parts of the movies and have to say there is some tight story-telling going on. I haven't read the books though. If I were to read the books, I would do so cautiously. there are alot of witchcraft and socery elements to the books from what I've heard from people who have read them. I'd probalby have no problem reading them because I know the differencef between reality and fiction, but io wouldn't let my kid read them until the are old enough to understand some things.
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The magic in the books isn't really dark or, well, what I'd call realistic (not that I know much about that). Rowling has created her own world of fantasy-based magic, and it's really not that much different than in the movies, except that maybe one or two spells had their names changed for the movies for no apparent reason.

And if you liked the story-telling in the movies, dive right into the books. There is so much more depth there, especially in Prisoner of Azkaban, which, unfortunately, had to dump a lot of its backstory in order to keep running time down and keep the pace up.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
MY in-laws ARE LIKE THAT. THEY TALK ABOUT HOW WICKED HARRY POTTER IS, BUT THEY'VE NEVER READ NOR SEEN ANYTHING HP.


I can't understand why Potter is so picked on. What is so wrong with it? I have only seen the movies and have not read the books, is there somthing in the books that would be more insulting to Christianity? What is so sinfull about stories of fictional witches? I do not believe J.K. Rowling's objective was to get people to hate Christ and worship Witchcraft. I doubt that she herself is witch or believes in witchcraft. I think was just trying to write set of entertaining books. Yet there is a member of this very forum who will not let his children see the movies or read the books untill they are 18. 18 ! There many other works of fiction that are worse, darker, less christian that our children could be into. The series has gotten alot of kids into reading that probably wouldn't be reading anything. Yet Potter is picked on like it was written by Satan himself! What the F### is so wrong will Potter?!? Has the World gone completely mad?!?
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Yeah, pretty much. People who don't mind the connotations of fantasy witchcraft associated with Halloween think Harry Potter is evil because it's the current, controversial thing to do while we've pretty much accepted Halloween as kid-friendly.

But, as I said in my last post, there is nothing different about the magic in the books than the magic in the movies. Actually, I take that back. A lot of the time, the movies try to accentuate the, "oh, look at the magic!" feel while the books, after Harry gets used to his new surroundings, treat it as if it is relatively mundane because it's so normal for them.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I'm sixteen, and I've been reading the HP books since I was in fourth or fifth grade. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that would go against my Catholic beliefs, or any other Christian beliefs for that matter. Heck, my mother has read them and enjoyed them too. The only people that seem to have a problem with them are the ones that don't know anything about them.

Sure, they use magic, but the magic in the books is no different than Gandalf and Saruman's magic in LOTR, really. Only the bad wizards use the bad spells, the students in the schools just learn how to magically unlock doors and things of that nature.


Yet there is a member of this very forum who will not let his children see the movies or read the books untill they are 18. 18!


And yet they will probably be allowed to read "Catcher in the Rye" in freshman or sophomore year in high school (like I was required to do for English class). I kinda find that funny.

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Despite constantly hearing from people in the 'know' that Harry Potter is evil--one time I was told that a boy heard voices telling him to kill himself after watching a Harry Potter movie--I really don't think they are evil. They are just fiction, like Lord of the Rings and Beauty and the Beast. I don't hear people clamoring for those films to be banned.

It seems to me that most of it stems from the belief that JK Rowling is a practicing witch or something. Where do people get their information?

That said, on the other hand I wouldn't let a very young child read Harry Potter, just like I wouldn't let a young child watch Sin City or play God of War, at least not one who was young and impressionable.


ETA: Also, I was going to mention that even though I don't think HP is evil, I'm not a fan. I don't hate it, it just doesn't interest me.

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I don't want to stir up the hornet's nest, but I do feel the need to interject the truth here...

Harry Potter is attacked by conservative Christians mainly because (unlike the vague staff-waving in Lord of the Rings, or the powers of "the Force" in Star Wars) parts of it SPECIFICALLY name and glorify occult witchcraft and symbolism which exists here on THIS EARTH, which the church has been at war with and trying to purge from society for thousands of years.

Some Christians are particularly concerned with the fact that this is all carefully wrapped up as a candy-coated kid's story, and by its very nature, it is aquainting young minds with the terminology and practices of the real-world pagan and satanic enemies of Christianity. Furthermore, it is painting these things in a good light and teaching children it is okay to participate in these practices. And the fear is, in the future, instead of being cautious of these types of things, the child will grow into an adult with an open mind toward these practices, already indoctrinated as a child with a full vocabulary of witchcraft and wizardry.

In my opinion, a Christian parent SHOULD be concerned, not only with Harry Potter, but with anything they're allowing their child to read or watch. Do I feel J.K. Rowling is sitting behind her desk with steepled fingers talking to Satan about how she's going to corrupt the world's youth next? Absolutely not. Have I read the books and enjoyed the movies? Absolutely. Would I let my seven-year-old read it? Probably not. In my opinion, it's just too much of a spritual risk for a child, when there are plenty of other books they could and should be reading... Like, for instance, the Bible.

Or the Jedi Academy series. lol

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Would I let my seven-year-old read it? Probably not. In my opinion, it's just too much of a spritual risk for a child

What risk?

Strictly speaking the christian church has been both directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of countless millions since its inception. Witchcraft on the other hand teaches harmony with nature, and our fellow beings. All the supposed "evils" of witchcraft are all invents of the church to villafy peganism, since the church was run by men and pegan practices and healling techniques were largely practiced by women, whom the church did not view as real people and found threatening. Its been my expirence that peganism and its related practices also lack the hypocricy that is found in most organized religons.

Christ preached forgiveness and acceptance, but Christians are often the first to judge and cast stones. Its my feeling that Jesus would be immensely dissappointed with what has been done in his name if he were to theoretically return. He'd be out infront of the vatican smashing tables and shouting just like he did in the temple in jerusalem. And since the church would find this threatening to their enterprize Jesus would once again be eliminated by the religous hierarchy.

And I'm not coming at this from the outside, I was born catholic and was raised in that system until I finished highschool. And I find nothing redeeming or rewarding in it.

I believe in the teachings of christ, be good, help those in need, forgive, accept, dont judge.
But then again all these things should be common sense to any decent caring individual, that it takes a philosopher of remarkable noterity to point this out to people astounds me. Do I believe Jesus was the son of god? No I don't. But thats beside the point. Whether Jesus was real or not, whether he really did the things the bible claims he did (which is a second hand account written entirely by men, after the fact and retranslated a dozen times over) what's important is that someone said those things and wrote them down. But what many fail to see is that Christ himself was anti-organized religon. This is what always gets skewed into the anti-jewish sentiment that some felt was prevelant in the Mel Gibson Jesus torturefest. its not the jews Christ was against, not specifically. He was against a dogmatic church that used its sway to gather money and power from the people's blind obedience. Which is no different then the modern day vatican or any other religous power.

True to christ word, the vatican should be the lowliest of huts somewhere in slum. If we were to follow what Jesus said to the letter, then no home or refuge should be lesser then the house which represents the lord. Christ didn't want to be worshipped, he didn't want to be objectified or turned into a symbol, he wanted to lead by example.

If Jesus returned (in some theoretical world where people do return from the dead) then he would be hanging out with aids patients, and prositutes. He would be friends to women who've had abortions, and gays and people of other faiths and nationality. I see him far more likely to be spending time with them then the Pope and cardinals.

when there are plenty of other books they could and should be reading... Like, for instance, the Bible.


The most violent, racist, genocidal book of all time?

Anyways, I've gone off on a rant here, people can believe whatever they want, I'm just throwing in my two cents here. Feel free to smack me upside the head for it.
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I recently walked in on my young cousin running around the room with a broomstick between her legs, holding a bloody pig's heart and shouting 'Jesus sucks, I love Satan'. I then realised, to my horror, that Marilyn Manson was playing on the stereo. I blame Potter.

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OKAY, I WATCHED THE NEW HP MOVIE. IT WAS PRETTY AWESOME. MY "FRIEND" WHO WAS THERE WATCHING IT WITH ME TOLD ME THAT A WHOLE LOT OF THE BOOK WAS CUT OUT, BUT THE MAIN PLOT REMAINED INTACT. SHE'S READ ALL OF THE BOOKS. I HAVEN'T, SO FOR ME NOTHING SEEMED TO BE MISSING. I THINK THAT GOBLET OF FIRE IS THE BEST HARRY POTTER MOVIE TO DATE.

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