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Greetings folks!
My name is Charles and I've been skulk...uh, I mean, perusing around this site for maybe a couple years now. I've been a Star Wars fan since I was a kid, before I'd even seen the movies (I fell in love with the vintage poster facsimiles I saw in puzzle and game catalogs to which my parents were subscribed). After fantasizing about the movies for a good while, I actually saw them, in all their 1997 Special Edition, full-screen, VHS glory, on a 20-inch, one-speaker, Sony Trinitron.
I was thirteen and Blockbuster was still the rage. It was the late 90s and Star Wars was back. The Phantom Menace trailer came out around that time. I was in heaven.
Several years, three prequels, and three special editions later, I developed into a “moderate purist.” As oxymoronic as that may sound, it makes a sort of sense. Let me explain. I like the restoration work and subtle touchups (e.g., matte line clean-up) of the SPs. Also, frankly, I like the 97 editions’ updates, with two exceptions; Jabba’s cameo in Star Wars (okay, fine, A New Hope) and, sin of sins, Greedo shooting first.
However, I completely agree that the original theatrical versions should receive the same pure restoration that Lawrence of Arabia, Gone with the Wind, and The Wizard of Oz (to name just a few) received. Warner Brothers, in particular, have been fabulous with their restorations.
So, my favorite fan restorations and preservations are (predictably) the GOUT DVD restoration for A New Hope (forgot authors’ name, forgive me) and Lee Thorogood’s preservation of the 97 editions of ESB and RotJ.
Those have actually become my favorite versions of the OT.
So, moderate in what I enjoy, and purist in what I demand for others. Disney, restore the theatricals!
Now, for the prequels. Call me a blasphemer, but I like them. Granted, the Phantom Editor is my hero. But I still enjoy watching the entire six movies chronologically (I-VI). And yes, I’m still in the Stone Age as my only fanedits of the prequels are the Phantom Editor’s, which means I don’t have an edited version of Revenge of the Sith.
(Disclaimer: I own, legally, all the retail versions on DVD. To boot, I have the OT 95 and 97 on VHS. All are widescreen.)
If you’ve read this far, I commend you. I just wanted to introduce myself, say ‘hi,’ and officially join the Restoration/Preservation/Editing community as an observing, consuming layman. By the way, you folks who actually do the projects are, in my opinion, artists. Thank you so much for your hard work!
Plug: GOUT folks and Lee Thorogood are true Jedi.
Now, on to Star Wars books and video games. Haha, just kidding. But, yeah, love those too.
Cheers!
“I was a historian once, gathering the relics of the Jedi, learning the ancient mysteries. Always, there were more questions.” - Kreia
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Hello and welcome, cdbarnes!
Your post sent me on a trip down memory lane, back to the 56K dial-up days seeing those first photos from the set of Episode I on the official website (a full-sized AAT sitting around what must've been the backlot at Leavesden, Jake Lloyd as Anakin at the dinner table in the slave quarters, Ewan McGregor as a buzz-cut Obi-Wan, etc). Oh, and there was that Doug Chiang sketch of the Naboo N-1 if I remember correctly....
Then there was that first teaser trailer in November of '98, wow. It'd been almost two years since the SE's were in theaters, and I think somewhere in the back of my head I saw the dewbacks and rontos, the updated lucasfilm logo and thought "yup, the SE's are gonna be considered the official versions now, to match up with all the cgi of this new prequel trilogy."
I still never, ever in a million years would've expected something as lame as the GOUT from a company like Lucasfilm. That was what finally made me wish the SE's had never happened and that we'd gotten a less effects-intensive trilogy of prequels (made in as close a way as possible to the OOT, which we'd now just be calling the OT) from three new directors, with Lucas simply writing the story as he did on Empire.
But, that ship has sailed.
There are things about the SE's and the prequels that I like, and zombie's "Secret History of Star Wars" finally allowed me to take a step back and see these movies for what they are.
I'd actually love it if Lucasfilm released the theatrical cuts of all six movies. I think Revenge of the Sith is the only one to make it to blu-ray in its original form (even the dvd had that wipe switched with a cut). TPM was substantially altered from the dvd onward, as was AOTC.
Something I've been vocal about on this site is the small alterations that slip under the radar when a movie gets "restored." The Wizard of Oz's most recent restoration is not a true one. Wires were digitally erased in at least one shot, with the justification that "audiences in 1939 would've never seen the wires since they weren't looking at a direct scan of the negative like we are today."
The thing is, I still hate that justification. Just because audiences didn't see it doesn't mean it wasn't there. There was a restoration/remastering done only four years earlier for a special dvd edition which left the wires in. That one was finished at 1080p, so hopefully there's an hd broadcast of it floating around the internet somewhere.
All of this is to say, alterations are a slippery slope IMO. James Cameron went crazy "correcting" Titanic for its most recent release, erasing things that would've been clearly visible to audiences in '97/'98, and that's an erasure of film history. But the prevailing attitude these days is that the director, if given the power, gets to make that call.
The work done by Charlie de Lauzirika and Warner Bros for Blade Runner's 25th anniversary remains the standard by which all archival releases should be judged. I've long said of a hypothetical ultimate release of the Star Wars films that, at the very least, all theatrically-released versions should be included. This would mean the original, the '97 and the inevitable 3D I'm sure they'll force us to buy in order to get the original and the '97 ;)
For the prequels, this would obviously mean the theatrical cut of TPM and either of the theatrical cuts of AotC (neither of which are the version on the dvd, which extended the scene where Anakin confesses to Padme about the Tusken slaughter). Also, give us the Imax cut of AotC!
So, yeah, this post got away from me.
I'll just wrap up by saying that I've yet to see The Phantom Edit, even after hearing about it for all these years.
I'll have to rectify that sometime soon.
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Oh god I couldn't dare to read it. How was it?
But seriously, hi!
Bingowings and timidggerm, hello and thank you. :)
Fang Zei, thank you!
I truly appreciate your sharing those memories. I always enjoy hearing of others Star Wars experiences. Unfortunately, I do not know personally as many people who love Star Wars as those of us on this site and others like it. I'm truly glad to be here.
I too remember fondly those early days of the official web site, the pictures and articles. That plus the weapon replicas and X-wing and Tie-fighter models on the Sharper Image catalog and the pictures of jigsaw puzzles of the old posters were all a sort of Bible for me. What I knew of Star Wars, for a while was from blurbs. I ended up creating my own fantasy of what the movies were in my head. What surprises me to this day, is that the movies were so good, they didn't disappoint my expectations.
I cannot disagree with what you said about restoring vs. tampering. Although there is no law that says directors can't "improve" on their work, those same people have, in my opinion, a moral obligation to give their customers what they want. Also, there is a historical obligation. It is good to preserve the past to see where we came from.
I was not aware of the last Wizard of Oz release being tampered with. That's disappointing. I have the earlier DVD release, I better hang on to it. It's Warner Brother's 2005 two-disc release. Is that a purer version?
I've recently found myself reselling and returning Blu-ray releases of older movies due to digital noise reduction. It can be tastefully done, but when people's skin starts looking like wax, I'm out.
I agree with what you said about Blade Runner. And it fits that Warner Brothers was involved. They've been pretty good about this stuff. Their Outlaw Josey Wales Blu-ray is fantastic and grainy and the skin looks great!
The crown jewel of my movie collection are my Criterion Blu-rays. Those folks know how to restore. They even include restored original mono tracks.
Some movies, I refuse to get on Blu-ray. I go to Bluraydotcom for my research and have decided to stick with my 2005 Star Trek movie collection on DVD until Paramount eases off on the DNR. The Star Trek Original TV Series on Blu-ray was a thankfully different story.
I've recently gotten L8twr's prequel edits and am watching them. They may replace Phantom Editor's. They're that good plus L8twr doesn't use the opening scrawl to get cute. ;) I'm trying out Q2's next. Sadly, my Blu-ray player (unlike my old DVD player) won't play Thorogood's 97s. It's because they're PAL. That leaves me to rely on the entire GOUT restoration. I can't complain. It's just that my introduction to Star Wars was with the 97s and it was all I knew for a good while. :)
“I was a historian once, gathering the relics of the Jedi, learning the ancient mysteries. Always, there were more questions.” - Kreia
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I may say I belong to the same generation. I too was introduced to Star Wars through 1997 SE.
On the other hand, I am not really fond of the prequels (you may find the reason in my signature). I wouldn't care whether the prequels exist or not but Lucas put PT related parasites into OT (Hayden, NOOO, Boba voice etc) in the 2004 and 2011 versions which I just can't stand.
And yes I am having the same problem. The 1997 SE are not on a decent video format (I am quite sensitive to video quality).
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The fact Lucas ****ed about with the originals betond '97 is due testament to how mind blowingly s*** the PT was. Like he was attempting to justify his ineptness. If the prequel trilogy had turned out to brilliant, A+, 10 out of 10 then the OT would've been left alone. The SE's had SOME good stuff, mainly minor technical things and updated SFX scenes (NOT Jabbas palace) but the versions beyond those are unwatchable. If a restored OT with the technical issues resolved and the added extras that made sense and were cool (Falcon escaping from Mos Eisley as an example) to be released? That would be my definitive version. We can only hope in years to come that Disney re-make the PT as it should've been. And f*** canon and f*** TCW series.