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xhonzi said:
Here's the question: Does pt3 OldWestDoc not remember being pt3 1955Doc and sending Marty back to 1885? It's been 30 years, but he should still remember, right?
It's possible he does remember. Just holding doubt that he may have changed the timeline enough to avoid it all. However I hold a theory in that in Emmit Lathrop Brown's 2015(or beyond) surgery overhaul the surgeon's screwed up that part of the Doc's memory. Considering that (sadly) historically speaking there have been horrid incidents. Leading to amongst all things cake cooking equipment used in surgical procedures. It's not out of the question that they may have screwed up that part of his brain.
xhonzi said:
And when he sees Marty in his ridiculous cowboy get-up, instead of asking "What idiot dressed you like that?" shouldn't he instead apologize for his ignorance of 30 years ago?
Even with the presumption of him remembering the incident of sending Marty to 1885. You have to remember how memory is effected without video/pic evidence. If you just think back to the clothes you wore at a specific time a suitable amount of years in the past. Make sure it's a day of which you have no photo for. Do you think your fashion is at all out of place? Now think about previous halloween costumes. Unless you look at your halloween pics a lot chances are you're remembering a much better costume than it actually was. Same thing here. Doc's probably thinking "I know I dressed him up in a much better cowboy outfit." Then after Marty confirms the negative he probably acknowledges his mistake offscreen.
xhonzi said:
Or is that a different Doc?
Yes lone pine Mall Doc is a different Emmit from the start of BTTF 1.
xhonzi said:
Just like Marty presumably doesn't have memories of growing up with the hip version of his parents... Does that pt3 1955 Doc now exist in a different 1955 (1955B. 1955AA being the Marty version of 1955 and 1955A being the old Biff version that leads to 1985A)? If that's the case, does any of that affect 1985C Doc? Maybe to the point that he doesn't create the time machine?
Lone Pine Marty and, Lone Pine 1985-A Marty (who we technically see from a distance in Pt. II) would've been the one's to time travel after "our" Marty changed things. Considering what's shown in Pt. II there's enough similarity to presume that his alternate versions did their jobs at maintaining the timeline paradox free. Albeit it's likely a few things had different reasons/circumstances behind them.
xhonzi said:
1985AA Doc didn't invent the time machine the same way as 1985 Doc. What was theory to 1985 Doc is practice to 1985AA Doc! Sure, he came up with the idea for the flux capacitor before the timelines diverged... but what about the idea to use a delorean? Marty's reaction would have been the same "Are you trying to tell me that you built a "time machine" out of a DeLorean?!?!" But 1985AA Doc could hardly answer, "Well, I thought why not build it with some style?" More likely he would have had to say, "Well... that's the car I saw when I was visited by a time traveling Calvin Klein in the 50s."
Twin Pines Doc always had a scientific reasoning for his construction of time travel device out of the Delorean vehicle. He attempts to elaborate on the specifics but, needs to move Marty out of the way of the time travel return. It's not out of the question that Lone Pine Marty and, LP 1985-A Marty just get an extended scientific explanation.
xhonzi said:
What about deciding to steal the plutonium? Depending on when he read Marty's letter, he might have gotten the idea from the letter as well. What about setting the time circuits for 1955? 1985Doc did this because he was fondly remembering the day he thought of the Flux Cap. 1985AA Doc would have to do it to not mess with history.
And think of how odd 1985AA Doc's friendship would have been with 1985AA Marty. Doc would have had to have played everything very close to the vest to not screw that up.
All valid points.
xhonzi said:
Or, for a minute, let's assume that he went back to a 1955AA without 1985 Marty in it (so this would be 1955AB). 1985AA Marty grew up with parents that fell in love when George punched Biff at the dance. So, if he went back to 1955 (or AA or AB), he wouldn't know the bit about his dad getting hit by the car, wouldn't push him out of the way, so the regular 1955 would probably progress from that point. Causing 1985AA Marty to return to the future to 1985, not the 1985AA he had left. Which really just means that 1985 Marty and 1985AA Marty switched timelines. With the only possible difference that Doc would still be alive (assuming the letter bit went the same as it did in 1955AA) so I guess that does make it a 1985AB- but the parents would more or less be the same as the ones from 1985 prime.
I think things would've been easier for LP 1985-A Marty and, Lone Pine Marty to get the situation right. The situation where Marty 'saved' George was that of impulse. If any other Marty saw that they'd likely react the same way. Leading to similar albeit different events. LP and, LP 1985-A Marty probably just wonder why their Dad's not as confident. They'd have known the story of George standing up for himself and, protecting Lorraine though. Also Lone Pine Doc would've known the changed situation during his friendship with LP/LP 1985-A Marty. So he could've given those Marty's hints as to not to further alter the timeline.
xhonzi said:
I realized soon after posting that, that 1985AA Marty did not die he just went back to 1955AA. You know, the one with Marty prime already running around as Calvin Kelin. What did 1985AA Marty do there? If he traveled back to the same place and time that Marty Prime did... they would have crashed and potentially killed each other. Let's say he arrived moments after Marty prime... How would he not screw that up? And if that Marty ever makes it to 2015, does the same stuff there, and then ends up back in 1955... THERE WOULD BE THREE MARTY's in that 1955!
Assuming all Marty incarnations choose the same minutes to go back to save the Doc. Lone Pine Marty and, LP 1985-A Marty are merely victims of circumstance. They cease to exist as the original Marty's trip through time for whatever reason overrides the previous trips. Thus only one Marty.
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