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Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

You have a thread seemingly open to arguments about the best time in Star Wars. (To be fair I know your question there was essentially rhetorical.)

I’m not sure what about the question was rhetorical, and my thread didn’t really have anything to do with the “fandom” or this forum. I don’t care about the concept of “fandom” and don’t personally identify with it. There’s a difference between the content and how the fans respond to it.

It was a thread about the best time in Star Wars, as I said. Or as you titled it, “Is Star Wars ‘Better Than It’s Ever Been’?” I took that in the same sense I’ve been using “Star Wars” to refer to the content and the fan response, the latter referenced several times in your initial post of that thread.

When I think of Star Wars I don’t really think of the fandom at all. The title wasn’t the best “time” in Star Wars, which would potentially imply that, but whether Star Wars is “better than ever,” which in my mind narrows it down to the content. I only talked about fans in my first post insofar as the general popularity of the series and hype pertained to my own excitement. I didn’t say anything about the community, if anything I was talking about how it’s not just an insular “community.”

From my second post in the thread

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I’d say it might be if every nerd wasn’t at another’s throat 110% of the time because of it.

That’s a very good point, though I guess I was mainly thinking content-wise. Certainly the internet discourse is probably worse than it’s ever been, though I’ll say my in-person discussions have grown and they’re usually pretty pleasant, even if we’re not always entirely on the same page.

I mean if you want to talk about the “fandom” in that thread that’s fine, but I was definitely coming at it from the perspective of the content, mostly because my own experience with the “fandom” is entirely nonexistent (I have had interactions with other people who like the series of course, but have no involvement whatsoever in the fan “community,” beyond I suppose being a member here, which I wouldn’t count*), and I myself have only been alive for roughly half the saga’s life. It’s hard for me to judge what I didn’t experience, but all the content overtime can be looked at easily.

*this conversation started about the quality of discussion on this forum as whole over time, which I think is only tangentially related to the state of the “fandom” in general at best

This is somewhat tangential at this point as I was responding to one particular statement of yours. You’re straining to say you weren’t speaking about the best “time” in Star Wars. You ask in your thread, “With that out of the way, has there ever been a better time for the series?”

You say you were thinking “mainly” about content. Fair enough, but you also had a full paragraph about popularity and excitement, which goes beyond quality of content. It can be related but isn’t necessarily.

And you wrap up with, “Whatever you think of some of the movies, this is inarguably an exciting time. Is it the most exciting time?”

So even setting aside “some of the movies” you ask about excitement.

Back to your statement: “Saying ‘Star Wars fandom was in a better place before Disney’ just seems outright silly though.”

As I said, you have a thread (at least partially) related to that question.

I guess I’d be curious to know why you think Star Wars fandom is better (or the same?) since Disney.

I only mean in regards to “best time,” that my phrasing for the headline was more specific. Obviously they are related concepts, I just feel like the way I worded it in my title seemed to pretty clearly (in my mind at least) imply that I was speaking mainly to the content. You seem to be anxious to prove me wrong, and I don’t know maybe what I’m saying doesn’t make sense and there’s no difference, I’m just telling you what went through my mind when I made the thread.

As I’ve said multiple times now, the thread as I conceived it has nothing to do with the “fandom.” I think that’s a different concern than “popularity and excitement,” those concepts pertaining to the general audience opinion (as well excitement having to do a lot with the steady stream of content and hype for the series), not that of the insular fan community. I feel like that’s the distinction that you keep missing here. I don’t care about the community because I don’t consider myself a part of it.

Making declarations about it being worse now seems silly to me because a) it’s nebulous and hard to measure, and b) based on what I can tell from fan conventions it seems like they’re having a good time, it’s really only the internet discourse that seems to have deteriorated (but as I said I don’t think that is exclusive to Star Wars and because of Disney).

I’m not sure what about this topic has so moved you to persist in arguing with me about the purpose of my own thread. If you felt so adamant that this conversation fit there, you easily could have posted it there (as I’ve now mentioned multiple times, it wasn’t what I had in mind for the thread but isn’t necessarily outside the scope of what I established).

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ChainsawAsh said:

If we’re talking, like, 1997-2000 era DVDs, sure. There was no excuse for that shit in 2006.

I know that there was no excuse for it. I’m just saying that that kind of laziness wasn’t uncommon. It’s actually still somewhat common with blu-rays, although non-anamorphic is a thing of the past.

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Warbler said:

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Can we just end this conversation. Warb just wants to pout and isn’t willing to do anything to get himself a way to watch the oot in HD. If he’d rather watch laserdisc transfers and pout then let him but we don’t have to read him bitch about it.

If you want to end the conversation end it. But I don’t think I’ve been pouting in my last few posts here.

Okay, well you’re complaining you can’t have the oot in HD but also refuse to take the necessary steps to get it (ethically if not legally) so what would you call it?

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Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Can we just end this conversation. Warb just wants to pout and isn’t willing to do anything to get himself a way to watch the oot in HD. If he’d rather watch laserdisc transfers and pout then let him but we don’t have to read him bitch about it.

If you want to end the conversation end it. But I don’t think I’ve been pouting in my last few posts here.

Okay, well you’re complaining you can’t have the oot in HD but also refuse to take the necessary steps to get it (ethically if not legally) so what would you call it?

You could call it whining.

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…I wonder who will get the last word?

Dr. McCoy?

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Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Can we just end this conversation. Warb just wants to pout and isn’t willing to do anything to get himself a way to watch the oot in HD. If he’d rather watch laserdisc transfers and pout then let him but we don’t have to read him bitch about it.

If you want to end the conversation end it. But I don’t think I’ve been pouting in my last few posts here.

Okay, well you’re complaining you can’t have the oot in HD but also refuse to take the necessary steps to get it (ethically if not legally) so what would you call it?

Perhaps it’s being stubborn. I could also call it staying loyal to the cause that originated this forum.


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This is the most off topic thread I’ve seen so far.

“Ryan Gosling staring off into the distance”

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Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Can we just end this conversation. Warb just wants to pout and isn’t willing to do anything to get himself a way to watch the oot in HD. If he’d rather watch laserdisc transfers and pout then let him but we don’t have to read him bitch about it.

If you want to end the conversation end it. But I don’t think I’ve been pouting in my last few posts here.

Okay, well you’re complaining you can’t have the oot in HD but also refuse to take the necessary steps to get it (ethically if not legally) so what would you call it?

Perhaps it’s being stubborn. I could also call it staying loyal to the cause that originated this forum.

I get that to you it’s a moral stance, but you have to understand its accomplishing nothing but depriving you of seeing the movie you want to see. And at the end of the day it is, after all, just a movie. Just let yourself enjoy it even if it is unofficial.

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Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Can we just end this conversation. Warb just wants to pout and isn’t willing to do anything to get himself a way to watch the oot in HD. If he’d rather watch laserdisc transfers and pout then let him but we don’t have to read him bitch about it.

If you want to end the conversation end it. But I don’t think I’ve been pouting in my last few posts here.

Okay, well you’re complaining you can’t have the oot in HD but also refuse to take the necessary steps to get it (ethically if not legally) so what would you call it?

Perhaps it’s being stubborn. I could also call it staying loyal to the cause that originated this forum.

I get that to you it’s a moral stance, but you have to understand its accomplishing nothing but depriving you of seeing the movie you want to see. And at the end of the day it is, after all, just a movie. Just let yourself enjoy it even if it is unofficial.

At the end of the day it is my choice. It’s my life


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paja said:

This is the most off topic thread I’ve seen so far.

That’s what it’s all about here buddy

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Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Can we just end this conversation. Warb just wants to pout and isn’t willing to do anything to get himself a way to watch the oot in HD. If he’d rather watch laserdisc transfers and pout then let him but we don’t have to read him bitch about it.

If you want to end the conversation end it. But I don’t think I’ve been pouting in my last few posts here.

Okay, well you’re complaining you can’t have the oot in HD but also refuse to take the necessary steps to get it (ethically if not legally) so what would you call it?

Perhaps it’s being stubborn. I could also call it staying loyal to the cause that originated this forum.

I get that to you it’s a moral stance, but you have to understand its accomplishing nothing but depriving you of seeing the movie you want to see. And at the end of the day it is, after all, just a movie. Just let yourself enjoy it even if it is unofficial.

At the end of the day it is my choice. It’s my life

Absolutely, if you want to deprive yourself of a movie you enjoy for some futile moral stance that’s on you.

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Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Can we just end this conversation. Warb just wants to pout and isn’t willing to do anything to get himself a way to watch the oot in HD. If he’d rather watch laserdisc transfers and pout then let him but we don’t have to read him bitch about it.

If you want to end the conversation end it. But I don’t think I’ve been pouting in my last few posts here.

Okay, well you’re complaining you can’t have the oot in HD but also refuse to take the necessary steps to get it (ethically if not legally) so what would you call it?

Perhaps it’s being stubborn. I could also call it staying loyal to the cause that originated this forum.

I get that to you it’s a moral stance, but you have to understand its accomplishing nothing but depriving you of seeing the movie you want to see. And at the end of the day it is, after all, just a movie. Just let yourself enjoy it even if it is unofficial.

At the end of the day it is my choice. It’s my life

Absolutely, if you want to deprive yourself of a movie you enjoy for some futile moral stance that’s on you.

fine.


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Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Can we just end this conversation. Warb just wants to pout and isn’t willing to do anything to get himself a way to watch the oot in HD. If he’d rather watch laserdisc transfers and pout then let him but we don’t have to read him bitch about it.

If you want to end the conversation end it. But I don’t think I’ve been pouting in my last few posts here.

Okay, well you’re complaining you can’t have the oot in HD but also refuse to take the necessary steps to get it (ethically if not legally) so what would you call it?

Perhaps it’s being stubborn. I could also call it staying loyal to the cause that originated this forum.

I get that to you it’s a moral stance, but you have to understand its accomplishing nothing but depriving you of seeing the movie you want to see. And at the end of the day it is, after all, just a movie. Just let yourself enjoy it even if it is unofficial.

At the end of the day it is my choice. It’s my life

Absolutely, if you want to deprive yourself of a movie you enjoy for some futile moral stance that’s on you.

fine.

If you say so

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dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Can we just end this conversation. Warb just wants to pout and isn’t willing to do anything to get himself a way to watch the oot in HD. If he’d rather watch laserdisc transfers and pout then let him but we don’t have to read him bitch about it.

If you want to end the conversation end it. But I don’t think I’ve been pouting in my last few posts here.

Okay, well you’re complaining you can’t have the oot in HD but also refuse to take the necessary steps to get it (ethically if not legally) so what would you call it?

Perhaps it’s being stubborn. I could also call it staying loyal to the cause that originated this forum.

I get that to you it’s a moral stance, but you have to understand its accomplishing nothing but depriving you of seeing the movie you want to see. And at the end of the day it is, after all, just a movie. Just let yourself enjoy it even if it is unofficial.

At the end of the day it is my choice. It’s my life

Absolutely, if you want to deprive yourself of a movie you enjoy for some futile moral stance that’s on you.

fine.

If you say so

He says so let’s just drop it

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I guess I am leaving.

What else is there to do?

Bob Falfa, I am sorry about the my rude comments way back when.

Goodbye.


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It’s like you’ve taken everything everybody has tried to explain to you, wrote it down on a piece of paper, wiped your ass with it, and then convinced yourself it was just us saying we hate you without even reading it.

Hear you nothing that I say? I gave examples of how we give everyone shit sometimes and that the only difference with you is that instead of taking it in stride you get offended and storm out. How do you respond? You get offended and storm out. It’s like you’re being a parody of a human being.

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What else is there to do?

Listen to what has been said many, many, many times, and not take this place so seriously. I’m sorry you feel you have to go, but so long as you let people work you up (yes, that’s you letting yourself get worked up. If you didn’t take things so seriously, a lot of the conflict you experience here would just go away, I’m serious), you’ll just continue the cycle.

Nonetheless, you’re always welcome back.

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no one wants you gone warb. all we said has always been with the intent of you wanting to stay.

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Warbler said:

I guess I am leaving.

What else is there to do?

Bob Falfa, I am sorry about the my rude comments way back when.

Goodbye.

I guess I should address this.

I assure you all that when I posted this, I truly thought I was leaving the forum. (I might still, we will see). I was very upset and depressed. I calmed down a bit since.

Possessed said:

It’s like you’ve taken everything everybody has tried to explain to you, wrote it down on a piece of paper, wiped your ass with it, and then convinced yourself it was just us saying we hate you without even reading it.

I assure you that is not the case. If it were, I would not have read and re-read what you all said so many times. It also wouldn’t have hurt as much as it did.

I am forced to admit that I must have a bit of a persecution complex and that I am oversensitive at times. (but I still totally disagree about having an “entitled attitude”). I will try to work on that.


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I’m glad to hear it, Warb. I hope you stay.

To everyone else:

I think a number of us can work on making it easier for Warb by simply responding with “I’m sorry you took it that way, that’s not what I meant” when he takes offense at someone’s comment. Ganging up on him or criticizing him is not going to help him overcome something that isn’t entirely his fault. It will only create more conflict and misery for everyone involved if our response to him retaliating against a perceived attack is to do the same in turn, creating a real conflict out of an imagined one.

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I haven’t been around much lately. It’ll probably stay that way.

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moviefreakedmind said:

I haven’t been around much lately. It’ll probably stay that way.

i noticed that. you are missed. hopefully though you’re away because things out there are getting better for you. either way good luck

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I’m not doing too bad actually, I’m just extremely busy because I just started a good job that I actually like, but since it’s entirely on a computer I don’t really feel like spending my free time online anymore. I also now no longer have a job where I can constantly be online wasting time, which is a big reason why I spent so much time here over the years.

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