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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic

The reason I understand why Lucas changed it, is because I could see how a lot of people could have missed the subtitles, and without that, it's not entirely clear the intent was to kill Han, Greedo could have just been trying to "bring him in" for his bounty.


Han: Over my dead body.

Greedo: That's the idea. I've been looking forward to this for a long time.

How is that subtle?

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If you omit the subtitles, all you get is "over my dead body".

I'm saying that a lot of people out there just either aren't quick enough or don't care to read subtitles.

I know I have talked to my fair share of SW fans who thought Han did kill Greedo in cold blood. They would tell me that's what makes Han better than Luke.
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Not that anything here can be off-topic....but is this the fastest growing thread in forum history.

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Oh gezz...people aren't fast enough to read the subtitles? My brother can, and he's 8 years old!
I think he killed Greedo in self-defense! He knew, 100% Greedo was gonna take shot at him---he just did'nt stand there, he shot! Kinda a 100% knowingly preemptive strike on Greedo---If you wanna call it that.
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If someone points a loaded gun at me or any body I love, and I have a loaded gun I am going to stop him the first chance I get, and if that means killing him then it is sad but sometimes that is what has to be done. I don't understand people that hesitate. Do you think I am going to care or think about conciquences at that moment? No, I am going to act for the safety of my loved one or me. You can't give any threat a moment to escalate you have to act while you have an opportunity. So yes if I was Han and Greedo pulled a gun on me, the first chance I got I would have shot him too. I wouldn't have waited for him to shoot at me, before shooting him. That is just stupid.

P.S. Shouldn't we change the name of this thread?


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Yes...on the topic of hesitating..it all goes down to the person, and what they believe and think, or how the way they were raised or taught to believe. That all goes down to it.
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I don't think anyone is contesting that Han had a right to shoot him because it was clear Greedo meant to kill him.

It's just I don't think that was clear to everyone, and I could see why Lucas would prefer to make it as clear as possible.

8 year olds will have a much more observant and attentive mind than most people who are older.

Truly wonderful the mind of a child is.
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Originally posted by: Marvolo
P.S. Shouldn't we change the name of this thread?
Seconded.
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
"Global Warming" is not the threat that people make it out to be. It is a mildly interesting phenomenon, but one that we have virtually no affect upon as human beings (as far as we know through our current science). Not true. Though you may choose to discount certain evidence, there is plenty to support the standpoint that the global average temperature is rising quicker than ever before and the only new factor to consider is us.
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According to the actual, hard science, we also do not know if our world is even in a warming period or a cooling period at this very moment. The science is simply too unclear. You seem to have a similar idea of "science" as you do of "islam". One big mass of stuff that threatens you. Except you seem to have divided "science" into "hard science" and "soft science". An interesting observation. We now have two types of "science" when we previously thought it was all alike. Interesting... Perhaps your radical theory could be applied to other things? "Hard muslims" and "soft muslims"? "Hard cheese" and "soft cheese"? Hey!! I've heard of that!! I think you're onto something!!!!
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All we can say for sure is that climate change has always existed on the earth and that it never hurts for us to keep it in mind (just so long as we don’t politicize it for selfish reasons). What, you mean like:Originally posted by: Tiptup
placing a handicap upon our economy in nonsensical ways (like with "Kyoto") will only slow down our technological progress, not speed it up.
???Originally posted by: Tiptup
If human beings are polluting the environment in unsustainable ways, increasing the global CO2 levels is probably not one of them.
Oh, wow! Thank God! Lay it on us, Professor Tiptup, where have all those other research scientists been going wrong? Show us your research, I'm sure your findings are irrefutable!!Originally posted by: Tiptup
Though I think we can all probably agree that pollution from our cars and factories is still undesirable (plus, I don't like how we're consuming all of the "fossil fuel" on our planet)
Whoa! Hold on there, Tex! I hope you're not suggesting that we "plac(e) a handicap upon our economy in nonsensical ways"?!!
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Before the war started it was well known Hitler wanted Europe, Brittain could have the rest of the world.


Because of such statements it is now well known that you are a hopeless retard. Earlier in this thread it was stated that you would be speaking German if Hitler had not been defeated, I think I understand why you really objected to this statement. It is a fact that Hitler insisted that the retarded and otherwise mentally defective be gassed along with the homosexuals, Jews, and other undesirables. You would clearly have been on the fast track to the gas chamber. Hilter would not have allowed a retard like yourself to inhabit his world.

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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Truly wonderful the mind of a child is.


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Originally posted by: Rob
Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Before the war started it was well known Hitler wanted Europe, Brittain could have the rest of the world.


Because of such statements it is now well known that you are a hopeless retard. Earlier in this thread it was stated that you would be speaking German if Hitler had not been defeated, I think I understand why you really objected to this statement. It is a fact that Hitler insisted that the retarded and otherwise mentally defective be gassed along with the homosexuals, Jews, and other undesirables. You would clearly have been on the fast track to the gas chamber. Hilter would not have allowed a retard like yourself to inhabit his world.


What I meant to say was: Before the war started Hitler planned to conquer Europe. He didn't care for the rest of the world. Brittain could take what they wanted in the rest of the world for all he cared.

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Hopeless auraloffalwaffle.

Not true. Though you may choose to discount certain evidence, there is plenty to support the standpoint that the global average temperature is rising quicker than ever before and the only new factor to consider is us.
How do you know? Were you alive 20 million years ago!?

You seem to have a similar idea of "science" as you do of "islam". One big mass of stuff that threatens you. Except you seem to have divided "science" into "hard science" and "soft science". An interesting observation. We now have two types of "science" when we previously thought it was all alike. Interesting... Perhaps your radical theory could be applied to other things? "Hard muslims" and "soft muslims"? "Hard cheese" and "soft cheese"? Hey!! I've heard of that!! I think you're onto something!!!!

What you just said made no sense what so ever.

Oh, wow! Thank God! Lay it on us, Professor Tiptup, where have all those other research scientists been going wrong? Show us your research, I'm sure your findings are irrefutable!!

It seems the same with you---Tiptup is at least speaking rationally--all your doing is making fun of the statements he has said with no proof or contradicting evidence what-so-ever. You really have no idea of whats going on do you? Or did you just walk out of a showing of the "inconvenient truth", thinking you were suddenly an expert on Global Warming? Why don't you read the entire thread all over again, mabe you'll get some grasp of whats going on.


Oh, Arnie, how could Hitler not care of what England does with the rest of the world if he was going to conquer it with Operation Sea Lion, the first phase of it was the Battle of Brittan, in which Germany failed to hold Air Superiority.
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Originally posted by: WESHALLPRESERVE
..."inconvenient truth"...




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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
What I meant to say was: Before the war started Hitler planned to conquer Europe. He didn't care for the rest of the world. Brittain could take what they wanted in the rest of the world for all he cared.


You’re like an monkey who can type. That statement is completely untrue and inconsistent with Hitler's ultimate goal of the worldwide conquest of the Aryan race. It is also irrelevant. I explained to you that Hitler not only planned to attack America, but that he went as far as to declare war on us. Your response was something like: "Yeah but when Hitler was 13 all he wanted was a tickle me Elmo". Not only is that untrue, it's irrelevant. Your ignorance and stupidity are approaching record setting levels.

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Originally posted by: WESHALLPRESERVE
Oh, Arnie, how could Hitler not care of what England does with the rest of the world if he was going to conquer it with Operation Sea Lion, the first phase of it was the Battle of Brittan, in which Germany failed to hold Air Superiority.

The inital plan (before the war) was to conquer the mainland of Europe. Brittain could do whatever they wanted in the rest of the world. But during the war that all changed ofcourse because Brittain didn't agree to that.

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Originally posted by: Rob
Originally posted by: Arnie.d
What I meant to say was: Before the war started Hitler planned to conquer Europe. He didn't care for the rest of the world. Brittain could take what they wanted in the rest of the world for all he cared.


You’re like an monkey who can type. That statement is completely untrue and inconsistent with Hitler's ultimate goal of the worldwide conquest of the Aryan race. It is also irrelevant. I explained to you that Hitler not only planned to attack America, but that he went as far as to declare war on us. Your response was something like: "Yeah but when Hitler was 13 all he wanted was a tickle me Elmo". Not only is that untrue, it's irrelevant. Your ignorance and stupidity are approaching record setting levels.


Worldwide conquest of the Aryan race? So he was planning to kill all Japanese too?
Yes he planned to attack America but that was already during the war when all inital plans were gone already.

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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Originally posted by: WESHALLPRESERVE
Oh, Arnie, how could Hitler not care of what England does with the rest of the world if he was going to conquer it with Operation Sea Lion, the first phase of it was the Battle of Brittan, in which Germany failed to hold Air Superiority.

The inital plan (before the war) was to conquer the mainland of Europe. Brittain could do whatever they wanted in the rest of the world. But during the war that all changed ofcourse because Brittain didn't agree to that.



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Maybe this is what you mean:

Hitler's Plan to Attack America
By Gerhard Weinberg
Gerhard L. Weinberg is emeritus professor of history at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and the author of A World at Arms: A Global History of World War II (Cambridge University Press, 1994).


Editor's Note (1999): In his new book, A Republic, Not an Empire, Patrick Buchanan claims that as of mid-1940 Hitler "was driven by a traditional German policy of Drang nach Osten, the drive to the East." He did not want war with the West, insists Buchanan. (Pp. 268-69.) Why then did Hitler, following Pearl Harbor, declare war on the United States? Buchanan insists this was the irrational act of a madman. In fact, insists Gerhard Weinberg, it was consistent with an objective Hitler had long nourished.

It had been an assumption of Hitler's since the 1920s that Germany would at some point fight the United States. As early as the summer of 1928 he asserted in his second book (not published until I did it for him in 1961) that strengthening and preparing Germany for war with the United States was one of the tasks of the National Socialist movement. Both because his aims for Germany's future entailed an unlimited expansionism of global proportions and because he thought of the United States as a country which with its population and size might at some time constitute a challenge to German domination of the globe, a war with the United States had long been part of the future he envisioned for Germany either during his own rule of it or thereafter.

During the years of his chancellorship before 1939, German policies designed to implement the project of a war with the United States had been conditioned by two factors: belief in the truth in the stab-in-the-back legend on the one hand and the practical problems of engaging American military power on the other. The belief in the concept that Germany had lost the First World War because of the collapse at home -- the stab in the back of the German army -- rather than defeat at the front automatically carried with it a converse of enormous significance which has generally been ignored. It made the military role of the United States in that conflict into a legend. Believing that the German army had not been beaten in the fighting, Hitler and many others in the country disbelieved that it had been American participation which had enabled the Western Powers to hold on in 1918 and then move toward victory over Germany. They perceived that to be a foolish fable, not a reasonable explication of the events of that year. A solid German home front, which National Socialism would ensure, could preclude defeat next time; the problem of fighting the United States was not that the inherently weak and divided Americans could create, field, and support effective fighting forces, but rather that they were so far away and that the intervening ocean could be blocked by a large American fleet. Here were the practical problems of fighting America: distance and the size of the American navy.

To overcome these practical obstacles Hitler built up the German navy and began work on a long-range bomber -- the notorious Amerika Bomber -- which would be capable of flying to New York and back without refueling. Although the bomber proved difficult to construct, Hitler embarked on a crash building program of superbattleships promptly after the defeat of France. In addition, he began accumulating air and sea bases on the Atlantic coast to facilitate attacks on the United States. In April 1941 Hitler secretly pledged that he would join Japan in a war on the United States. This was critical. Only if Japan declared war would Germany follow.

As long as Germany had to face the United States essentially by herself, she needed time to build her own blue-water navy; it therefore made sense to postpone hostilities with the Americans until Germany had been able to remedy this deficiency. If, on the other hand, Japan would come into the war on Germany's side, then that problem was automatically solved.

Hitler was caught out of town at the time of Pearl Harbor and had to get back to Berlin and summon the Reichstag to acclaim war. His great worry, and that of his foreign minister, was that the Americans might get their declaration of war in ahead of his own. As Joachim von Ribbentrop explained it, "A great power does not allow itself to be declared war upon; it declares war on others." He did not need to lose much sleep; the Roosevelt administration was quite willing to let the Germans take the lead. Just to make sure, however, that hostilities started immediately, Hitler had already issued orders to his navy, straining at the leash since October 1939, to begin sinking American ships forthwith, even before the formalities of declaring war. Now that Germany had a big navy on its side (Japan's), there was no need to wait even an hour.

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This article is excerpted from Gerhard Weinberg's Germany, Hitler, and World War II (Cambridge University Press: 1995). It is reprinted with permission of the author and publisher and was reposted at TomPaine.com in 1999.
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Worldwide conquest of the Aryan race? So he was planning to kill all Japanese too?


Is that a serious question or are you campaigning for the title of "Prime Retard"? Are you at all familiar with Hitler's racially based philosophies of history and mankind in general? I hope your answer is even more ridiculous than your previous posts, you're really on a retarded role here...don't let me down now.

By the way did you even read the paragraph that you posted above? Why in the hell would you think that it supports your argument? It is one author's view of why and how Hitler planned to attack America...wait a minute...can you even read or are you just picking out the worlds that you can recognize?

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Originally posted by: Rob
Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Worldwide conquest of the Aryan race? So he was planning to kill all Japanese too?


Is that a serious question or are you campaigning for the title of "Prime Retard"? Are you at all familiar with Hitler's racially based philosophies of history and mankind in general? I hope your answer is even more ridiculous than your previous posts, you're really on a retarded role here...don't let me down now.


Yes, about the aryan race being descended from asians?

Rob, isn't it time to declare this thread gay?

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What do you mean during the war? It was not like Brittan was sitting on the sides with its hands at its cheeks watching---they were the first to provide troops to France in early 1940-----then they retreated in early 41 after France had been completely taken over!
Also---How many times must I explain the concept of the Reich? I do believe there would have been a showdown between Germany and Japan, if they had both won their parts of the war. BOTH were veiling for world domination-to say other wise is very ignorant. Again, Germany had plans for America and Brittan before the war started! Brittan was one of Germany's main enemy's from the beginning, from France in 1940 to Africa and Iraq in 1942! Yes, behold, Brittan did fight the Germans in Iraq (actually Saddam's uncle was part of the rebellion against Brittan rule, fighting with the swatstica. The English were eventually kicked out by the Germans. It was a WORLD WAR! Germany had fronts extending from the middle east, to Russia, England, and Africa! If they he wanted "only Europe" he would not have extended these lines so far!
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Do you think he cared about the Aryans and the Japanese were related? No! He regarded the Japs as useful savages which could keep America on a leech from Europe---Of course you could bring up the German explorers and expeditions in Siberia, but thats a totally different and irrelevant matter!
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Originally posted by: Blackmage
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Hey! The one with the Gerhard Weinberg stuff is not stupid!
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