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DuracellEnergizer said:

Since my family adheres to cultic lies True Christianity, Christmas isn't observed in my household. I did buy myself the eighth season of The Simpsons on DVD, though, so it's almost all good.

I don't understand, you say your family adheres to True Christianity, yet they won't celebrate the birth of Christ?   

DuracellEnergizer said: cultic lies

*sigh*  now, if I had said this in reference to the Islam or Jewish religion, what would the reaction have been?  Lets say a celebrity said this about Islam or the Jewish religion, what would the reaction have been?  I'm going to bet that he'd/she'd be labeled a bigot.   Why is it ok to insult my religion, when it isn't to do the same to the others?  DuracellEnergizer, was it really necessary to use those words? 

I have no problem with someone who doesn't believe in Christ, but I do have a problem with people insulting my religion. 

Warbler said:

DuracellEnergizer said:
Since my family adheres to <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">cultic lies</span> True Christianity, Christmas isn't observed in my household. I did buy myself the eighth season of The Simpsons on DVD, though, so it's almost all good.

I don't understand, you say your family adheres to True Christianity, yet they won't celebrate the birth of Christ?

Warbler said:

DuracellEnergizer said: <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">cultic lies</span>

*sigh*  now, if I had said this in reference to the Islam or Jewish religion, what would the reaction have been?  Lets say a celebrity said this about Islam or the Jewish religion, what would the reaction have been?  I'm going to bet that he'd/she'd be labeled a bigot.   Why is it ok to insult my religion, when it isn't to do the same to the others?  DuracellEnergizer, was it really necessary to use those words? 

I have no problem with someone who doesn't believe in Christ, but I do have a problem with people insulting my religion. 

walkingdork said:

Warbler said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Since my family adheres to cultic lies True Christianity, Christmas isn't observed in my household. I did buy myself the eighth season of The Simpsons on DVD, though, so it's almost all good.

I don't understand, you say your family adheres to True Christianity, yet they won't celebrate the birth of Christ?   

DuracellEnergizer said: cultic lies

*sigh*  now, if I had said this in reference to the Islam or Jewish religion, what would the reaction have been?  Lets say a celebrity said this about Islam or the Jewish religion, what would the reaction have been?  I'm going to bet that he'd/she'd be labeled a bigot.   Why is it ok to insult my religion, when it isn't to do the same to the others?  DuracellEnergizer, was it really necessary to use those words? 

I have no problem with someone who doesn't believe in Christ, but I do have a problem with people insulting my religion. 

I'm sure he thinks that Judaism and Islam are also a bunch of phoney baloney (as do I).

this would not surprise me.

walkingdork said:

This is such a typical Christian reaction to any and all criticism.

if you say so.

walkingdork said:

Atheist don't rip on Christianity and then think that Islamic and Jewish beliefs are real.

never said they did.   My point is that they respect the Islamic and the Jewish faith more than they do the Christian faith.   I hardly ever hear comedians make fun of Jews or Muslims, but I hear them make jokes about Christianity all the time.

walkingdork said:

The point you are trying to make (I believe) is that only Christians get ripped on.

no, my point is that is more acceptable to rip Christians than it is Jews or Muslims. 

walkingdork said:

Most atheists/agnostics in this country are either raised in a Christian home or at least have Christianity thrown in their face most of their lives.

I am sure that can be a problem.  My sympathies. 

walkingdork said:

The US is a mostly Christian country AND NOT the persecuted minority you and others would like to believe you are.

I never said Christianity was a persecuted minority.

walkingdork said:

I don't have Muslims or Jews knocking on my door and trying to convert me.

I don't do that myself and neither is my church into that.  Normally it is easy to get them to go away.   I've had people knock on my door and have easily gotten them to go away.   

walkingdork said:

There aren't pushy Muslims or Jews standing in front of the local college and all but forcing students to take a tiny copy of the Bible.

again not something I  or my church do.   I don't believe they really force you to take it.  

walkingdork said:

I don't have Muslim or Jewish friends telling me I live in sin and trying to talk me into going church every Sunday (and it should be noted that I do have Muslim and Jewish friends.

I don't talk that way to non believers either.  But if you did ask your Muslim and Jewish friends straight out, they would agree that you are living in sin and should attend services at synagogue/mosque.

walkingdork said:

We stick up for Muslims because in this country they are the minority and there are "bigots"who hate Muslims and try to stifle Muslim culture and growth in this country (just watch Fox News).

I agree with you, the bigots should be fought.

walkingdork said:

Nobody would lose there mind if Christians tried to build a church near the WTC. In fact there is a huge cross where the WTC used to be. But Muslims want to take over an old Men's Warehouse (or was it a Burlington Coat Factory?) and oh no! the boogeyman is taking over and insulting 9/11 victims.

I agree that the fuss over the mosque near WTC was silly.   They have every right to build a mosque there. 

walkingdork said:

Let's stop pretending that Christians have it worst in this country because that is absolutely ridiculous.

I never said they had it worse.  I agree they do not have it worse.   In fact they have it much better.  But still, there is a double standard.   It is politically incorrect to make fun of the Jewish or Muslim religion, yet it is perfectly ok to make fun of the Christian religion.   What we should stop pretending that is prejudice and bigotry against Christianity doesn't exist.  It does exist.  It is nowhere near as bad as the bigotry against other religions, but it does exist. 

walkingdork said:

Most atheists/agnostics in this country are either raised in a Christian home or at least have Christianity thrown in their face most of their lives.

and you don't think that could make some atheists prejudice/bigoted against Christianity?  I think it could and has.

btw, just because I consider myself a Christian, does not mean that I am like Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson.  Their brand of Christianity is not my brand. 

DuracellEnergizer said:

Warbler said:

DuracellEnergizer said:
Since my family adheres to cultic lies True Christianity, Christmas isn't observed in my household. I did buy myself the eighth season of The Simpsons on DVD, though, so it's almost all good.

I don't understand, you say your family adheres to True Christianity, yet they won't celebrate the birth of Christ?

My family believes Christmas to be a pagan holiday that "True Christians" don't celebrate because God doesn't like anything associated with paganism. My dad even believes Christmas is short for "Christ massacre" - a load of BS, I know.

very strange.  I suppose I can understand a Christian not wanting to celebrate the whole Santa Claus thingy, but not celebrate Christ's birth?

btw, I think Christmas short for Christ Mass(Mass meaning the Catholic church service).

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

Warbler said:

DuracellEnergizer said: cultic lies

*sigh*  now, if I had said this in reference to the Islam or Jewish religion, what would the reaction have been?  Lets say a celebrity said this about Islam or the Jewish religion, what would the reaction have been?  I'm going to bet that he'd/she'd be labeled a bigot.   Why is it ok to insult my religion, when it isn't to do the same to the others?  DuracellEnergizer, was it really necessary to use those words? 

I have no problem with someone who doesn't believe in Christ, but I do have a problem with people insulting my religion. 

You misunderstand. I'm not referring to mainstream Christianity but the pseudo-Christian cult theology founded by the false prophet Herbert W. Armstrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_W._Armstrong


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrongism

 

I misunderstood then.   Herbert W. Armstrong's brand of Christianity is not mine either.  

Warbler said:

very strange.  I suppose I can understand a Christian not wanting to celebrate the whole Santa Clause thingy, but not celebrate Christ's birth?

Warbler said:

walkingdork said:

Atheist don't rip on Christianity and then think that Islamic and Jewish beliefs are real.

never said they did.   My point is that they respect the Islamic and the Jewish faith more than they do the Christian faith.   I hardly ever hear comedians make fun of Jews or Muslims, but I hear them make jokes about Christianity all the time.

I don't think "respect" is the right word to use. Rather it is an issue with boundaries. My first college room mate was black, every time I did something that mildly annoyed him he'd tell me "that was a very black thing to do". Every now and then he'd go off on a tongue in cheek diatribe about how he had to put up with "black" things like this all his life and now that he was living with a white guy he was expecting better and I was failing him. My description doesn't do this justice, I make it sound weird or stupid, but he could honestly be downright hilarious when he went on one of these rants. The same comments coming from a white guy would be horrifyingly racists. Why? Because it is crossing a boundary.

A bald guy making bald jokes can be comical, a guy with a massive head of hair making bald jokes is a bit distasteful and kind of mean spirited.

Watch a Hispanic comedian, what race does he typically pick on? Hispanics. Why? Because he is safe there, he isn't crossing a boundary.

Growing up in a predominantly Christian country like Walkingdork and I have, Christianity is own silly superstitious religion, by making jokes at its expense we are making fun of our own culture and not crossing boundaries.

 

walkingdork said:

The point you are trying to make (I believe) is that only Christians get ripped on.

no, my point is that is more acceptable to rip Christians than it is Jews or Muslims. 

If you make fun of Islam, violent offense can be taken and you might wind up dead. It is kind of nice to be part of a culture good humored enough that you can make fun of it without people wanting to kill you for it.

The Jews went through a major persecution in relatively recent history that still grants them sympathetic immunity. Not saying it is right or fair; but make fun of Jews and you can expect people to look at you like you are Hitler himself.

walkingdork said:

I don't have Muslims or Jews knocking on my door and trying to convert me.

I don't do that myself and neither is my church into that.  Normally it is easy to get them to go away.   I've had people knock on my door have easily gotten them to go away.   

Not the point. It is still extremely annoying and rather rude and many Christian groups do do this.

Look what I started with my silly little joke about not getting Jesus any gifts. Of course, it's all Ziggy's fault anyway.

Who misspelled Satan Claws?

Gaffer Tape said:

Very good job for a first time. I think I might keep her around. ^_^

CP3S said:

Christianity is own silly superstitious religion

*sigh*

CP3S said:

Warbler said:

walkingdork said:

Atheist don't rip on Christianity and then think that Islamic and Jewish beliefs are real.

never said they did.   My point is that they respect the Islamic and the Jewish faith more than they do the Christian faith.   I hardly ever hear comedians make fun of Jews or Muslims, but I hear them make jokes about Christianity all the time.

I don't think "respect" is the right word to use. Rather it is an issue with boundaries. My first college room mate was black, every time I did something that mildly annoyed him he'd tell me "that was a very black thing to do". Every now and then he'd go off on a tongue in cheek diatribe about how he had to put up with "black" things like this all his life and now that he was living with a white guy he was expecting better and I was failing him. My description doesn't do this justice, I make it sound weird or stupid, but he could honestly be downright hilarious when he went on one of these rants. The same comments coming from a white guy would be horrifyingly racists. Why? Because it is crossing a boundary.

A bald guy making bald jokes can be comical, a guy with a massive head of hair making bald jokes is a bit distasteful and kind of mean spirited.

Watch a Hispanic comedian, what race does he typically pick on? Hispanics. Why? Because he is safe there, he isn't crossing a boundary.

Growing up in a predominantly Christian country like Walkingdork and I have, Christianity is own silly superstitious religion, by making jokes at its expense we are making fun of our own culture and not crossing boundaries.

how can you call Christianity your own culture when you are athiest/agnostic?

CP3S said:

 

walkingdork said:

The point you are trying to make (I believe) is that only Christians get ripped on.

no, my point is that is more acceptable to rip Christians than it is Jews or Muslims. 

If you make fun of Islam, violent offense can be taken and you might wind up dead.

I wasn't talking about the worldwide reaction, I was talking about the reaction here in the America.

CP3S said:

walkingdork said:

I don't have Muslims or Jews knocking on my door and trying to convert me.

I don't do that myself and neither is my church into that.  Normally it is easy to get them to go away.   I've had people knock on my door have easily gotten them to go away.   

Not the point. It is still extremely annoying and rather rude and many Christian groups do do this.

I would only call it a small annoyance.   As for being rude, keep mind from their prospective, they are trying to save your soul.   From their prospective, they trying to do you a big favor.    All you have to do is politely say no thanks and close the door on them.  No big deal. 

walkingdork said:

Warbler said:

walkingdork said:

This is such a typical Christian reaction to any and all criticism.

if you so.

Yep, I so. ;)

sorry, it was a typo.  It has been corrected. 

walkingdork said:

walkingdork said:

Atheist don't rip on Christianity and then think that Islamic and Jewish beliefs are real.

never said they did.   My point is that they respect the Islamic and the Jewish faith more than they do the Christian faith.   I hardly ever hear comedians make fun of Jews or Muslims, but I hear them make jokes about Christianity all the time.

Comedians make jokes about things they know about and things that people can relate to. Comedian's who make fun of Christianity were usually raised as Christians. There are tons of Jewish comedians that make fun of Jews.

while I agree there are a lot of Jewish comedians that make fun jews,  I don't know that there many comedians that make fun of Christianity that are in fact Christian. 

walkingdork said:

 

There are also plenty of comedians that make fun of other religions. Even this jackass who I don't dislike because he has a stereotypical terrorist puppet, I just dislike him because he's not funny.

point taken.   I guess what I am saying that religion can be a sensitive issue.   People should tread lightly on it, for all religions.

walkingdork said:

 

walkingdork said:

The US is a mostly Christian country AND NOT the persecuted minority you and others would like to believe you are.

I never said Christianity was a persecuted minority.

No but it seems to be the mindset of so many people in this country. That somehow everyone is picking on poor Christians while Muslims and Jews get off easy. Everyone is against Christianity and it's a tough world out there for people worshiping Jesus.  

that is not my mindset.   But still believe there is a double standard.

walkingdork said:

walkingdork said:

There aren't pushy Muslims or Jews standing in front of the local college and all but forcing students to take a tiny copy of the Bible.

again not something I  or my church do.   I don't believe they really force you to take it.  

Some of them are very pushing. I've been in a situation where I just took so they would leave me alone (and then I immediately dropped it on the floor).

why not just walk away?   As for dropping it to ground,  could you just put it somewhere other than the ground.  Even a park bench would be better.  I don't like the thought of the Bible being dropped to ground. 

walkingdork said:

walkingdork said:

I don't have Muslim or Jewish friends telling me I live in sin and trying to talk me into going church every Sunday (and it should be noted that I do have Muslim and Jewish friends.

I don't talk that way to non believers either.  But if you did ask your Muslim and Jewish friends straight out, they would agree that you are living in sin and should attend services at synagogue/mosque.

Probably. Evangelical Christians might be the pushiest people ever. 

I try not to be pushy.

walkingdork said:

walkingdork said:

Let's stop pretending that Christians have it worst in this country because that is absolutely ridiculous.

But still, there is a double standard. 

There are two different standards because they are two different situations. Christians are largest group in this country and they are widely accepted.

I don't why that means it should be ok to make fun of them when it isn't for the other religions.   I say treat them all equally.

walkingdork said:

However Muslims are not widely accepted in this country. There is a lot of fear mongering and hate towards Muslims in this country.

yes, unfortunately there is.    

Oh joy, I'm so glad you guys gave me the gift of turning my simple thread about what you got for the holidays into yet another argument/discussion about religion and politics!

Seriously guys, keep it in the politics thread. My clickwheel is about to fall off.

I apologize.   You guys are right.   Lets take the discussion of respecting Christianity to the politics thread. 

A nice old man with a beard gave me the fanedit I was waiting for ;)