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Info Wanted: German HDTV rip

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Has anyone seen the german HDTV rip which is floating around some places like Suprnova? Any idea whether it’s the original or SE version, or what the video looks like compared to the LD->DVD transfers?

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It's SE, AFAIK. And I'll bet its improperly framed. Plus its PAL.
What do you mean there's no ice? I gotta drink this coffee hot?!
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I think I have this version. I got it from Ebay about a year ago. It is a special edition PAL version in 16:9 anamorphic widescreen (it was actually broadcasted via DVB in this format, so it is not upscaled) with german 5.1 and english 2.0 sound. The quality is absoluty brilliant, very near to "real" DVDs.
It is definitely better than any laserdisc transfer could be, and is the ultimate version of the 1997 SE you can posses right now.

here is a sample:
rotj_old_anakin_ghost.mpg

Greetings
Grisan
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Hmmm..well, unfortuently doesn't do what I was hoping it would do then. I'm hoping to find a nice, clean, better than LD transfer res of Han's "Yes, I'll BET you have." with the longer begining and end of the shot from the OT.
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What exactly do you mean?
IIRC you don't actually see Han and Greedo shoot in the OT the way they do in the SE or DVD version. After "I'll bet you have", you just see greedo falling down.

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Really? I thought Greedo ALWAYS shot first.

Please, a LITTLE credit

No, the footage for the "Yes, I'll bet you have" take has a little bit a the beginning of the shot, and a little bit at the end which has been trimmed for the SE. I GUESS they tried to increase to pace of the sequence by trimming the beggining, and HAD to get rid of the muzzle flash (you do see this at the very end of the OT shot for about a frame of two, but it sells Han shooting nicely visually). The result is that, when the sequence is restored from the DVD footage, it feels a little rushed around this shot, and the audio goes out of sync. The easiest way to fix it is to use an OT version of that shot and edit it in, using an OT version of the soundtrack for the whole sequence. Works great, syncs perfectly, BUT the quality on the LD transfers is SO much lower than the official DVDs, that even after colour balancing to try and match the "sunburned Han" look of the DVDs, the "I'll bet you have" shot is incredibly jarring visually.
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I just checked that scene and you are right. That scene is some frames in the SE and DVD edition compared to the OT.
Using LD material won't work well, so the only option is to cut the small shooting scene after "I'll bet you have" and use the dvd sound for the whole Hand-Greedo-cantina sequence.

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Hi Grisan

I've sent you a PM regarding the dvb rip, if you not received it please check that you activated "Allow Private Messages" in your profile.

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Well, the thing is, I LIKE the pacing of the original, and the second or so of missing footage actually makes a difference. Oh well, I guess the search goes on. I wonder if the SE LD rips comming to MySpleen will contain the original sequence (as, I think the VHS versions did) in the short documentary intro to each film). Very frustrating, but there HAS to be a decent version of this shot SOMEWHERE.
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I have a copy of ESB from this rip, well...atleast had. When my hard drive got attacked, I may have lost it. I was hoping to use the new DD 5.1 track and add it to this video to see what I could come up with.

The picture is top notch. Too bad it is the SE or we'd be in business.
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BOY Oh BOY - I think that I might be getting this soon!! ~

I do like the SE - Just not the "Gringo" or Jabba scenes!

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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That could be used for a very good project. IF I had the resources this is how I would do it:

Rip the (PAL) LD's. Upscale to anamorphic, run filters over the frames, etc. Then replace frame-for-frame every frame that was not altered in the original (from either the HD-TV rip, or the PAL DVD whichever is the better source). That way you keep the LD's audio without splicing it, and it's still frame-for-frame the same as the LD ecept with better quality where available. The quality would drop here and there, but it would be the best possible preservation. Of course no one except me would ever do it.
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"Of course no one except me would ever do it."

So now everyone is the bad guy? LOL!

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Oh man, you're a freaking MARTYR now...and it becomes more and more obvious that you HAVE never actually attempted anything like one of these restoration projects, and likely, never will be constructive enough to. And DEAR GOD! Are you suggesting running FILTERS OVER THE ORIGINAL FOOTAGE?! Wouldn't that be an alteration of the original material?
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You seem to define alteration compleatly seperatly to me. "By digitizing it, you have altered it. By creating the LD Master Tapes you have altered it. By creating the LD's from the master tapes you have altered it."

Don't assume that I agree with your definition of alteration.
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Originally posted by: DanielB
That could be used for a very good project. IF I had the resources this is how I would do it:

Rip the (PAL) LD's. Upscale to anamorphic, run filters over the frames, etc. Then replace frame-for-frame every frame that was not altered in the original (from either the HD-TV rip, or the PAL DVD whichever is the better source). That way you keep the LD's audio without splicing it, and it's still frame-for-frame the same as the LD ecept with better quality where available. The quality would drop here and there, but it would be the best possible preservation. Of course no one except me would ever do it.


TRAITOR! - I thought your were a purist - DUDE, these are changes man and you talk all this smack about KEEPING the films ORIGINAL - Have your molecules been so radically rearranged within the last 6 hours?



“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Not really Rik, you're just replacing each frame with the best possible quality frame of the original as possible. I know it's not a perfect solution, but it is good nonetheless. It is loyal to the original source material, it isn't disrespectful to it. Digitally fixing sabre effects is for all intents and purposes the same as digitally colouring a black and white movie.
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Well, then, "You seem to define alteration compleatly seperatly to" everyone else on these boards.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Perhaps, but I don't tell them they believe "this" when it doesn't reflect what they believe. -edit- That's called a strawman argument. Very weak. You've been doing it the entire time, so it isn't surprising to see INv8r_ZIM catch on. What it is is arguing to a strawman that you invent in your head, rather than to me. You make up crap that you claim is my position, and then argue against it. Like I said, very weak.
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"What it is is arguing to a strawman that you invent in your head, rather than to me. You make up crap that you claim is my position, and then argue against it. Like I said, very weak."

Ahem...

MeBeJedi I just spent the better part of an hour deleting spyware shit that my 12-year-old brother infected the PC with. You seem to be the kind of person that would claim it is your right to put in an EULA "we will put some invasive software on your PC" - without actually saying it like that, and making it seem more normal, and then use bait-software to infect people with invasive software that earns you revenue. That of course is not your right, and it is a completely illegal contract under Australian law.

You were saying...?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Hey, the irony was too much.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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MeBeJedi I found that scenario similar to releasing an edited trilogy and calling it original.
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"I found that scenario similar to releasing an edited trilogy and calling it original."

..and pretended this scenario was something I would do, and then chided me for doing it.. Anyone with half a brain can see this (and it would explain why you cannot.)
" You seem to be the kind of person that would claim..."

The very fact that you personally directed it towards me speaks volumes as to your intent. And now, once again, you are forced to draw a very fine line of distinction to save face with your precious viewpoint. This is just another in a long line of ridiculous and biased accusations towards me personally, and Americans as a whole (though even your fellow countryman finds your opinions outlandish and embarrasing to Australians.)

The last thing these boards need is another jimbo, and sadly enough, I know of a few people who are going to leave these boards pretty soon if Jay doesn't put you in line soon.

Get the clue, DanielB - everyone on these boards is laughing at you, even Laserman and skeg64. Get a grip, or get lost. You are adding nothing constructive to theses forums, and in fact are sucking the life out of them.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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You could have underlined "SEEM".