George Lucas leaves Lucasfilm — Page 6

1990osu said:

The difference is that Star Trek TMP was a dud.  Nobody would complain if George Lucas went back and re-edited the prequels (as long as the original was available to watch and laugh at).

Baronlando said:

It's funny how this paper-thin, feeble talking point has become a thing lately. At least I've seen it popping up elsewhere lately, like in the comments section for articles about the 35th anniversary. ("[INSERT MOVIE NAME] had two versions that weren't always sold simultaneously at all points in history. Why isn't anyone mad at [INSERT DIRECTOR NAME]?") Is it the same guys or was there a memo? Although this is the first time I've heard GODFATHER being awkwardly crowbarred into it, so points for originality there I guess.

 thats the game apologists play when all else fails.  another example is "this [insert movie] has fart jokes...why don't [insert fanboys] make a big deal about it".  or "how come no one ever complains that [insert movie] has a bunch of cgi". Its eaqsy to discxredit.  its downright hilarious when they compare the PT to a masterpiece.  yeah, ok so TPM has one tiny thing in common with Kurosawa's Ran - now, do yourself a favor and list all the differences.

Yes, it is a talking point.  Thats lucas' primary (but not sole) motivation to giving "interviews" at a relentless pace.  almost all talking points can be traced either to LFL or to someone from TFN thats eventually given legitamacy by LFL ("the space battle in tpm is supposed to suck..so when you watch them in order, they get better and better!!!") 

anyway,  i dont think lucas selects kathleen kennedy unless she swore in blood she would never even ask him to release the OOT.  The real party question is...are there going to be anymore changes?  anything that will truly inflame the masses? (i am fully expecting by the 40th anniversary, puppet yoda will be replaced with a cgi).

danny_boy said:

Ahhh---- and this is the catch----what is/was the original or former condition of Star Wars(as seen by audiences between 1977 to 85)?

I saw the film myself twice theatrically(1981 and 1983) but I will not dare to hazard a guess in 2012 as to whether  what I saw 30 years ago was grainy or clean or had punchy colours or was pink shifted or had dirt and scratches or was free from such blemishes.

So you have now shifted gears from "the film was restored in '95" to "some prints were grainy, dirty and beaten up and faded when seen by audiences back in the '70's and the '80's." So, what does all of this have to do with George Lucas refusal to let it be restored and preserved? Or do you still count the Special Edition as a restoration of the original film? The National Film Registry certainly didn't... it's now 15 years later and still no plans to restore it, just bad excuses whenever it is brought up. Film enthusiasts and fans have since lost their patience.

George Lucas - "the filmmaker who care deeply about his fans" did however say that he was sorry that fans had fell in love with a half finished film in 2004. How noble of him...

SilverWook said:

I'd like to think George respects Frank Oz too much to do that to Original Puppet Yoda (tm).

This is what Bill Hunt had to say in his blu-ray review: 

"For those of you who hate the past changes (and the new BD changes), believe me I get it. Let me just say, it could be a LOT worse. Sources well-positioned to know have told me that Lucas actually seriously considered replacing the puppet Yoda from The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi with the all-digital version, and even had tests conducted to see how it would look. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed. (For the record, I'm told that the digital Yoda just didn't look right or mesh well with the real, physical, practical Dagobah sets. Shocking, I know.) In any case, the films are what they are - changes and all - and now they're finally available on Blu-ray."

I'm afraid Lucas doesn't respect anyone's workmanship on these classic films these days. Frank Oz's voice performance maybe. This set was also released very close to Kershner's death, when a few years have passed it may be easier to go ahead with more alterations. I would like a commentary track where Lucas explains in detail why he changed certain things, what about Lukes' scream in the '97 SE that was lifted from the Emperor in Jedi, talk about creativity. ;)

SilverWook said:

msycamore said:

SilverWook said:

I'd like to think George respects Frank Oz too much to do that to Original Puppet Yoda (tm).

This is what Bill Hunt had to say in his blu-ray review: 

"For those of you who hate the past changes (and the new BD changes), believe me I get it. Let me just say, it could be a LOT worse. Sources well-positioned to know have told me that Lucas actually seriously considered replacing the puppet Yoda from The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi with the all-digital version, and even had tests conducted to see how it would look. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed. (For the record, I'm told that the digital Yoda just didn't look right or mesh well with the real, physical, practical Dagobah sets. Shocking, I know.) In any case, the films are what they are - changes and all - and now they're finally available on Blu-ray."

I'm afraid Lucas doesn't respect anyone's workmanship on these classic films these days. Frank Oz's voice performance maybe. This set was also released very close to Kershner's death, when a few years have passed it may be easier to go ahead with more alterations. I would like a commentary track where Lucas explains in detail why he changed certain things, what about Lukes' scream in the '97 SE that was lifted from the Emperor in Jedi, talk about creativity. ;)

That's pretty damn disturbing if true. The CGI tests must be hidden away in the deepest levels of the ranch that never see daylight. ;)

They tried that TESB CGI Yoda thing when they were doing the prequels as a test to get it look right, maybe that's just blown up in the media? There were some rough clips of that on some of the extras. I really can't believe they would actually replace it... It would take a lot of time and money, it wouldn't make it any better and it would create a serious backslash from the public.

TV's Frink said:

AFAIK there are no ESB CGI Yoda clips on the prequel discs.

msycamore said:

I would like a commentary track where Lucas explains in detail why he changed certain things, what about Lukes' scream in the '97 SE that was lifted from the Emperor in Jedi, talk about creativity. ;)

I wonder if it would be possible to put together such a track from all of Lucas' various interviews. That would be great - all the boneheaded, out-of-touch, misplaced, and spiteful things he said over the years, synched up with the relevant parts of the movie.

Now that would be an excuse to watch the blu-rays!

LexX said:

They tried that TESB CGI Yoda thing when they were doing the prequels as a test to get it look right, maybe that's just blown up in the media? There were some rough clips of that on some of the extras.

Maybe you're right. It's possible I guess, but if such tests were made in the early 2000 and are to be seen on some of the prequel DVD's, it just seems weird to me if Bill Hunt mentioned it first when he reviewed the blu-ray, didn't those prequel discs come out even before the 2004 DVD set? Whatever, I actually don't find it hard to believe, after what was done in '97 nothing will ever surprise me.

LexX said:

I really can't believe they would actually replace it... it wouldn't make it any better and it would create a serious backslash from the public.

You just described the results of the alterations that's been done so far. ;)

msycamore said:

LexX said:

I really can't believe they would actually replace it... it wouldn't make it any better and it would create a serious backslash from the public.

You just described the results of the alterations that's been done so far. ;)

Hardly. Most people don't care.

doubleofive said:

 

danny_boy said:

Yeah----Paramount must have brainwashed Wise into making statements such as the following:

''I'm happy with it now. This is the film that I really wanted (Star Trek Special Edition) .''

Which isn't available on Blu-ray, how is this relevant?

 

It is relevant because in the period that it was not available Wise(and Paramount) were never castigated in the same manner that Lucas has been.

timdiggerm said:

msycamore said:

LexX said:

I really can't believe they would actually replace it... it wouldn't make it any better and it would create a serious backslash from the public.

You just described the results of the alterations that's been done so far. ;)

Hardly. Most people don't care.

Yeah, you're right of course, the general public doesn't care or doesn't even know about any controversy, but as much backlash you can expect things like this get in "movie land."