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George Lucas interview - 29th October 1979 — Page 2

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Sorry, Go-Mer, but unless Lucas admits the number and subtitle was a secret he kept in his head, but was there nontheless .... his statements that it was the title of a major motion picture with absolutely no physical evidence EVER that it was the case can only be assumed to be a big fat fib.
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Actually, you could entertain the possibility that while he thought of doing that, he might not have had it written on every little thing associated with the movie.

Isn't that at the very least -possible-?

It's like you guys think you know more about what goes on in Lucas' mind than he does.
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Anything's possible, Go-Mer. But if you want to believe it's likely or probable that Lucas just kept the title in his head all through every stage of production, but never had it written down on anything anywhere, you just go ahead and do that, k?
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If some evidence of this early episode number came to light, I'm sure most of us here would change our minds about this thing. It is just a belief in anything anyone says just because one wants to believe it seems a little niave. Give me some evidence and I'll re-think it.
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Actually the shooting script to Star Wars was numbered--it was Saga I. Not Iv. I. The draft before that was identical and was called The Star Wars, Episode I but Lucas changed Episode to Saga for the final draft but then left it out of the actual screen credits.
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Let me try this again Gomie, try to follow along...

From the interview posted today – he decided people wouldn't understand the numbering system

From the interview posted a few weeks ago – he stated it was the studio that forced him to drop the number from the title

At the very least - one of those is a lie. From everything printed, filmed, saved, and published pertaining to the film The Star Wars up to and including 1977 - it appears that both of them are.
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The only "evidence" we have is Lucas says he was thinking about numbering the movie but decided not to for the initial release. It's first hand testimony. Obviousy there is further evidence that he thought of it at some point, because he ultimatey did retitle it Episode IV A New Hope before Empire came out.

The lack of -further- supporting evidence certainly doesn't disprove it.

Lucas was saying that both he and the studio had decided that it would confuse the audience to number them for the initial release.

I imagine it going a little something like this:

Lucas: I think we should subtitle this thing: Episode IV A New Hope...

Executive: Are you crazy? Nobody will understand that!

Lucas: You have a point. Note to self: destroy all evidence that I ever thought of this.
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Oh, ok - we should ignore actual quotes by Lucas and insted go with your imaginary conversation......uh...yeah, sure thing, kid.

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Lucas's word is only canon to Go-Mer if it's not contradicted by a lower source in the canon heirarchy, such as his imagination.

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What makes your pure speculation any better than mine?

You know, now that I think about it, maybe Empire was originally going to be called "Blue Harvest", but Lucas managed to revise history at the last moment before it went to print.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
... stick to lies you could actually prove ...

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I imagine it going a little something like this...


Good one, troll. Try again.

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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
What makes your pure speculation....


Sorry troll, a quote saying it was his idea and a quote saying the studio forced him to do it are contradicting statements on his part - not pure speculation.

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Wait a minute, which quotes are you talking about exactly?
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Wait a minute, which quotes are you talking about exactly?



From the interview posted today – he decided people wouldn't understand the numbering system

From the interview posted a few weeks ago – he stated it was the studio that forced him to drop the number from the title


Ok, i've had it. can we please make this guy go away? he's frickin derailed every thread here into a debate about the prequels or george lucas. He's sucking all the fun out of this board.
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I thought he had a quote from before that contradicted the one given here.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
You know, now that I think about it, maybe Empire was originally going to be called "Blue Harvest", but Lucas managed to revise history at the last moment before it went to print.

Poor job of trolling - Blue Harvest was Return Of The Jedi, not Empire Strikes Back. Please try to keep up, kid.

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So in other words, you couldn't find the other quote that contradicts the one given here?
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LOL....so desperate to make your case.

"You know, now that I think about it, maybe Empire was originally going to be called "Blue Harvest", but Lucas managed to revise history at the last moment before it went to print. "

You know, now that I think about it, "Blue Harvest" referred to ROTJ, not ESB. But again, many of your arguments show an extreme lack of knowledge about Star Wars and Lucas in general. Then again, ignorance provides much more ammunition when one makes it one's life goal to give Lucas the benefit of the doubt for every single fucking mistake.

What are supposed to be debates here are a religious conquest to you. You are the #1 Hari Krishna of Lucas.

Of course, yet another indication of your ignorance is not understanding the history of "Blue Harvest", which is to say it was used to keep fans of SW and ESB from encroaching on the filming of ROTJ.

So either you don't know the real motive of Lucas here, which puts your stance to utter shame (at least you are consistent), or you are deliberately throwing out a bullshit statement against those who slander your God, because you have nothing of substance left to offer - which, of course, is almost textbook troll behavior.

Either way, you lose.

I know that many naysayed me, including you , when I said many moons ago that your only reason for being here was to troll. As I expected, the honeymoon didn't last long, and people here have certainly wised up to your sly ways - much as TF.n did when they finally smartened up and gave you, yet again, a ban for the very same behavior, and a looooooooong one at this. Too bad these boards can't benefit from experience.

It's nice to be vindicated, but the reality is the vindication sucks for these boards. Stop attacking the non-believers, Go-mer. It only makes you look pathetic. You'll find no sanctuary here.

Some humorous quotes:

"The only difference between what I am speculating between the lines and what the rest of you are speculating between the lines is I give Lucas the benefit of the doubt."

"Speculating between the lines"? Don't you mean "between the quotes". Lucas is saying this shit, not us.

"While I hope to improve people's opinion of what Lucas did, I don't expect to be able to mind trick anyone into it. I'm no Jedi."

More of a Sith, and you are certainly at the wrong boards for this sort of thing, as you not only know so well, but is even proven by yet another quote. For those seeming to defend Go-mer's posting here, see my .sig. This is what he really thinks of you.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I was parodying you guys for assuming Lucas couldn't have thought of the subtitle Episode IV A New Hope, unless he wrote it on all the paperwork he had for the movie. Sorry I should have said ROTJ. Either way it was meant to sound asinine, so I don't see the problem.

I know you don't like me very much, I was just hoping one of you guys would actually produce the "other" Lucas quote that some of you claim contradicts the one Lucas quote presented here so far.

If you want, you can derail this thread into yet another witch trial, but it's a pretty transaprant attempt to avoid adressing my request for proof that Lucas is lying here.
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" I was parodying you guys...."[SNIP]

Exactly. This is all you do at these boards.

"Either way it was meant to sound asinine, so I don't see the problem."

Believe me, there's no problem with you sounding asinine.

"If you want, you can derail..."

LOL. You're one to talk.

"but it's a pretty transaprant attempt to avoid adressing my request for proof that Lucas is lying here."

No, it's a pretty transparent attempt to save what's left of these boards as a whole.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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As long as you see it that way.
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Don't confuse your "focus" mentality with my intentions, moron.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I was just hoping that you guys would have the intention of backing up your accusations that Lucas is lying here.
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What, so you can twist anything brought up into some make-believe conversation in order to wiggle out of it?

You are going to give Lucas every benefit of the doubt regardless, no matter what is given to you. This is your purpose. It is your life-long goal.

It is your religion, and you will not be shaken from it. You've been shown the scripts in another thread, and you naysay those. There's nothing you won't naysay for GL. So what, then, is the point, if you keep setting and jumping over ridiculous hurdles?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I am just asking for people to back up their claims in a tangible way I can't refute.

Is that so much to ask?

I didn't nay say the scripts, I merely said that all it proves is that Lucas didn't write down "Episode IV A New Hope" on any of them until 1979.

It doesn't prove Lucas hadn't thought of that before that point in time.

So what if i give Lucas the benefit of the doubt? I just personally don't feel right in accusing someone of something based soley on the cynical assumptions of his detractors.
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