George Lucas halts Indy IV production due to disagreements with the script — Page 3

Author: motti_soL
Time: 25-Mar-2004 2:56 AM
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LOL!

he could still be battling nazis... think about it, some remnant nazi cell doing some major bad mojo to bring the skinny-frail-looking-bad-moustache-wearing-black-haired-disillusioned-space-junk-eating-ponce back to life...

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Author: Master Sifo-Dyas
Time: 26-Mar-2004 5:53 AM
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Yah, some remnant nazi-cultists have stolen some ancient artifacts that'll help them in their insane ploy to revive adolf and empower him with some powerful evil magic. Hehe, sounds more like a plotline for RtCW II (if you ask me).

Author: Rebel Scumb
Time: 26-Mar-2004 8:31 AM
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Could work; after all, with the events in Last Crusade, Indy's supposed to be immortal. Just imagine this:
Indiana Jones and the Dictator of Baghdad

Indy would only have been immortal if he had never left the temple in canyon of the crescent moon, that was the rub when it came to the holy grail, you lived forever but only if you didn't leave. Thats why the knights brothers died and Indy found his corpse in the sewer in Venice.

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Author: Bossk
Time: 26-Mar-2004 8:49 AM
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And what happened before the Grail came to the Canyon? How do you determine who lives and who dies up to that point? Because obviously the Templar Knights weren't always in the Canyon.

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Author: Master Sifo-Dyas
Time: 26-Mar-2004 9:14 AM
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Err... you need to constantly drink from that lil jesus cup to stay alive forever. If there's a person who's immortal now, it's Dr. Elsa Schneider - captured in a dark crevice buried by tons and tons of solid rock and rubble.

Author: Bossk
Time: 26-Mar-2004 10:46 AM
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I think you can still die if killed by traditional methods. However, if you remain safe and keep drinking, you stay alive.

However, it seems ironic to have to keep drinking from a cup of eternal life when the implication would be that you only have to drink from it once, don't you think?

Author: jimbo
Time: 26-Mar-2004 10:58 AM
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How about Indiana Jones 4 takes place in modern times. Since Indy drank some of the water from the cup of life it could have increased his lifespan enough to look in his 60s by the early 21 century. Just a thought.

Author: GundarkHunter
Time: 26-Mar-2004 11:49 AM
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for once, I'm going to agree with you, jimbo. That actually doesn't sound like a bad idea.

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Author: sweyland
Time: 26-Mar-2004 2:10 PM
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Yeah an eternal Indy in modern times could be interesting, but ther's no way its gonna happen. The cameo chase bit Ford did on Young Indy with a Native American partner was lacklustre at best, and frankly Ford is more than a little old. I'm just happy to let sleeping dogs lie and avoid a possble episode 1 drop in quality.

Besides, the other guys are right, Indy isn't immortal and he's well established as the elderly narrator in the fedora on the young Indy series, which is all canon to lucas with all its official chapter numbers tied to the trilogy.

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Author: jimbo
Time: 27-Mar-2004 3:41 AM
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I am not saying hes immortal just he lives longer.

Author: Rebel Scumb
Time: 27-Mar-2004 5:23 AM
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Originally posted by: jimbo
How about Indiana Jones 4 takes place in modern times. Since Indy drank some of the water from the cup of life it could have increased his lifespan enough to look in his 60s by the early 21 century. Just a thought.

But the Indiana Jones chronicles showed Indy in modern day as a withered old man with an eye patch (and a nasty scar)

GL considers this show to be canon and part of the Indy mythos so he's not likely to contradict it.

I'm not sure how the grail functioned before coming to the temple, perhaps it didn't. I'm just going by what is said in the movie, if you wish to remain immortal you cannot leave. Indy and his dad are not immortal at the end of Last crusade, nor do I expect that were granted any extension of life, the lesson that they both learned was to let things go and enjoy life.

As for Elsa (I use to have a big crush on her) I'm not sure if she's alive or not, that had never occured to me. It would be kind of creepy if she was alive for all time buried under the rocks.

As a side note, that whole scene where she falls into the pit while reaching for the grail is directly ripped off from an episode of the old Adam West Batman show where Catwoman falls to her death in a cave crevice while reaching for a bag of jewels. Its almost shot for shot the same as what transpires in IJatLC.

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Author: GundarkHunter
Time: 27-Mar-2004 5:34 AM
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Hardly surprising.

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Author: Rebel Scumb
Time: 27-Mar-2004 5:38 AM
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indeed. Though what a weird thing to rip off

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Author: GundarkHunter
Time: 27-Mar-2004 5:59 AM
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Not really; it's a great visual, and great visuals are always getting ripped off. Compare the end of Deliverance with the end of Carrie to see what I mean.

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Author: jimbo
Time: 27-Mar-2004 7:25 AM
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I never saw Young Indiana Jones but does it say what year it is when the old Indiana Jones is naratting. The old man could have been narrating it from 2010 or something unless it says otherwise if not I will put my theroy down.

Author: PSYCHO_DAYV
Time: 28-Mar-2004 10:40 PM
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I STILL STAND BY MY TEMPLE OF DOOM-LIKE MOVIE THEORY FOR INDY IV.

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Author: motti_soL
Time: 29-Mar-2004 3:30 AM
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im starting to incline more and more towards dayvs idea.

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Author: Bossk
Time: 29-Mar-2004 4:05 AM
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Originally posted by: jimbo
I never saw Young Indiana Jones but does it say what year it is when the old Indiana Jones is naratting. The old man could have been narrating it from 2010 or something unless it says otherwise if not I will put my theroy down.

In one of the episodes, they actually show Harrison Ford and he looks like he's aged about 20-30 years so I'm assuming the 50s or 60s are the time period from which he's narrating.

Author: sweyland
Time: 30-Mar-2004 8:57 AM
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Originally posted by: jimbo
I never saw Young Indiana Jones but does it say what year it is when the old Indiana Jones is naratting. The old man could have been narrating it from 2010 or something unless it says otherwise if not I will put my theroy down.

In one of the episodes, they actually show Harrison Ford and he looks like he's aged about 20-30 years so I'm assuming the 50s or 60s are the time period from which he's narrating.

Because the series strived for 'historical accuracy,' what with gumping their way into famous historical figures every episode, all the characters had specific ages and dates for the storylines.

Corey Carrier played Jones age 10
Sean Patrick Flanery age 16
George Hall (the narrator Jones) age 93

In the episode about the blues (loved the music in that one) that Flanery and Harrison Ford appeared together, Ford was Jones age 50 and Flanery was age 16 in 1920, Chicago.

So that means Indiana Jones was born in 1904.

The bit with Ford and his Indian partner was in 1954

And the series was being narrated from 1997 with a 93 year old Jones.

So when I was watching the show around '92 it actually took place in the future, sorta. Make of it what you will.

It wasn't a great a series, and not very Indiana-Jones-like IMO, but I enjoyed it for what it was, and some of the episodes were pretty good. For all I know, this is where Darabont got his big break so later he could direct Shawshank.

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Author: Rebel Scumb
Time: 30-Mar-2004 10:07 AM
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yeah it wasn't IJ, but it was pretty good. A neat way to look at history.

Can you elaborate your theory DAYV?

I figure it will be like temple of doom in that it won't have nazis, but kate capshaw, sean connery, marrion ravenwood, and Sala are all suppose to appear in it.

Its going to ultra sentimental IMHO, which will be part of why its not likely to be good.

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Author: Bossk
Time: 30-Mar-2004 10:10 AM
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Indy, Sallah, and Henry Sr. are all main cast members while Marion and Willie are just cameos. This is what I've read so far.

I want Short Round back and I want Jonathan Ke Quan playing him.

Author: motti_soL
Time: 31-Mar-2004 1:39 AM
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short round would be awesome! too bad marcus cant be in it.

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Author: Bossk
Time: 31-Mar-2004 3:26 AM
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That would definitely be an accomplishment, all things considered.

Author: GundarkHunter
Time: 31-Mar-2004 7:51 AM
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Its going to ultra sentimental IMHO, which will be part of why its not likely to be good.

Would've been moreso if they'd continued with Darabont's script, You did see the Majestic, right?

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Author: Bossk
Time: 31-Mar-2004 10:34 AM
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I didn't really care all that much for the Majestic the first time I saw it. But I have since seen it several times on cable and I love it. Even the feel-good ending which was what bugged me the first time.