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George Lucas auteur theory a crock of Bull

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At least as far as the original trilogy goes.  Those worked because of collaboration.

The more control he had when the studio no longer had any say and he could do anything he wanted the worse the star wars movies got.

 

Mod Edit: some information on ‘auteur theory’…

‘Wikipedia page on Auteur Theory’: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auteur
‘Encyclopedia Britannica page on Auteur Theory’: https://www.britannica.com/art/auteur-theory
‘Learn About Auteur Theory’: https://www.masterclass.com/articles/film-101-what-is-an-auteur#what-is-an-auteur
‘Film School Essentials: Auteur Theory’: https://indiefilmhustle.com/auteur-theroy
‘Auteur Theory: What Does it Mean and How You Can ‘Author’ Your Films’: https://nofilmschool.com/auteur-theory-complete-guide

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The auteur theory itself is highly suspect when it comes to cinema for this very reason, at least as far as attributing every element to the director. It's more philosophical than literal.

I don't think the studio ever really had any say in his films though. They certainly didn't with THX and Graffiti, which was part of the reason they wanted to abandon the finished products, and thank god they didn't on Star Wars either, even though they tried quite hard. The collaborative success for early Lucas mainly came from the producer-writer-director-actor input, rather than studio.

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He is more of a collaborator now, but not when he started. He had to be coerced into collaborating. I think THX is brilliant and SW as a combination or Saturday morning serials, mythology, great moviemaking, and for the simple jou it provides.

I have problems with the way the auteur theory has been manipulated by film courses, professors, and the general public. It kinda makes me cringe when I hear it used in this context. I like the idea of it but don't think it applies in every case. The director doesn't have his hand in everything, but definitely has a felt presence on the film if he is worth his salt. I love Truffaut btw if you couldn't tell.

Lucas is a great moviemaker pre-1990. (producing the Indy films and finishing the Trilogy.) Then everything turned south, and the same can be said for Spielberg to be honest. (Last Crusade and Empire of the Sun are the cutoff.) Once again I stress the word moviemaker as opposed to filmmaker when I discuss these two. I admire them and their work has profoundly affected my life, but for all intense and purposes they are great at what they do: making movies.

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He is more of a collaborator now, but not when he started. He had to be coerced into collaborating.

I disagree that he is more of a collaborator now. THX was fairly singular, it is true, but Walter Murch was still behind the script and much of the concept, and he had Oliver Hailey do a screenplay draft as well. But the film is so stripped down that it's easy for one person to control the whole thing, it was almost like the world's most expensive student film in some ways. But Graffiti was extremely collaborative, and Star Wars even more so. And of course those were the last films he directed for twenty years. So two out of his three early films were highly collaborative. As a producer, Lucas was always wavering between lenient and controlling depending on the product; I don't think Raiders and Empire Strikes Back are that far apart from Last Crusade, Radioland Murders and Young Indy in terms of his approach, I think the difference is that Lucas had more investment and guiding direction with Raiders and Empire/Jedi, so his delegation is more noteable in this respect, whereas the later products he didn't care as much. But even Jedi was very strictly controlled by him. He had his finger in pie on Jedi more than any other film he has produced since, up to and including Indy 4.

Lucas is a great moviemaker pre-1990. (producing the Indy films and finishing the Trilogy.) Then everything turned south, and the same can be said for Spielberg to be honest. (Last Crusade and Empire of the Sun are the cutoff.) Once again I stress the word moviemaker as opposed to filmmaker when I discuss these two. I admire them and their work has profoundly affected my life, but for all intense and purposes they are great at what they do: making movies

I find this curious, because I think films like Munich, Catch Me if You Can, and The Terminal are some of the best films Spielberg has done; he's a different person now, older, slightly more mature. I don't think he could do Raiders and E.T. when he was fifty, and I can't imagine him ever having the sensitivity to do any of his later works when he was thirty. I'm curious though, do the style/subject matter/tone/etc of his newer films turn you off, as in you probably wouldn't enjoy them if they were directed by someone other than Spielberg, or is it just that the films themselves don't work?

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In response to Sky's OP:

Yup.

Lucas makes that little comment at the beginning of "The Beginning" (heh, "the beginning of the the beginning") documentary on the TPM dvd when he's doing the Leslie Stahl interview back in '99.

The Prequels are all him, the OT isn't.

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Ahhh. I forgot about Walter Murch on THX. I still can't shake the early shy GL image out of my mind.

I have Munich on my watchlist, but hated Catch Me if You Can and The Terminal.

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This is what makes the OT such an interesting trilogy:

Star Wars

-Written and Directed by GL, Produced by Gary Kurtz, Shot by Gil Taylor

Empire Strikes Back

-Directed by Irvin Kershner, Produced by Gary Kurtz, Screenplay by Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan, Shot by Peter Suschitzky

Return of the Jedi

-Directed by Richard Marquand, Produced by Howard Kazanjian, Screenplay by Kasdan and Lucas, Shot by Alan Hume and Alec Mills

Compare that to the PT, which was entirely shot by David Tattersall and entirely written and directed by Lucas with help on AOTC's screenplay from Jonathan Hales.