The whole immaculate conception and the Plageuis story should have no telling on the OT. Leave that, frankly, preposterous nonsense for the PT. It doesn't fit with the OT. Call me a traditionalist (sorry) :-)
And just to add. Why the hell wasnt the ability to save someone from death a 'Jedi' power? It just doesn't relate to something that can only be learnt by someone who practices in the Dark side of the Force. I haven't read the book but I was just assuming Palpatine was telling dumb, gullible Anakin a load of bulls***. That power doesn't fit the Sith as they were portrayed in the OT.
this was the thing... I had the idea after watching the PT and thought about it...
The thing is, I actually like the idea more because how it would change the context of the conversation between Luke and Vader not so much that it fits the PT... But it was born from watching ROTS admittedly.
I always felt the good side of the force was more etherial and the dark side of the force was more material although they share attributes but that is just my take.
Well there are a few points where there should've been seamless links between the two trilogies but due to astounding ineptness, no amount of clever editing or tweaking can redeem it. It is irrecoverable. But kudos for thinking of something new.
It felt like all the linking was done in the last 10 minutes of ROTS... Actually it was all done in the last 10 minutes...
To Link or not is not the point so much... It's all about the different emotions it will trigger.
Hey, it's me. said:
Why the hell wasnt the ability to save someone from death a 'Jedi' power? It just doesn't relate to something that can only be learnt by someone who practices in the Dark side of the Force.
In the pink floaty Opera house scene in ROTS, Anakin asks about the Sith's ability to 'prolong life beyond death'/'reanimate a dead person' and Palpatine replies:
"The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural"
But in the counter scene Yoda tells Anakin:
"Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not. Miss them do not. Attachment leads to jealousy. The shadow of greed that is. Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose."
The film 'Mary Shelley's Frankenstein' tells the story of a man who dared defy the-gods/nature and explore "Abilities some consider to be... unnatural". If I had to put Doctor Victor's research into one camp, it would be the Sith. When his wife Helena Bonham-Carter, is killed by is own creation he brings her back from the dead and look how that turned out...
Plus consider Palpatine entombing Anakin in the black Vader armour sustaining what's left of him past the point of death. Again I don't think this is a very Jedi thing.
Obi-Wan just puts up his saber at the end of ANH and excepts his fate.
A shame that Lucas layed the metaphor on far to thick in the "Noooooooo" re-animation chamber scene. I bet there is an out-take of Ian McDiarmid going "It's alive, it's alive!" lol
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Yeah supposedly all tied up in a nice little bundle. Like, there you go that's for the 'older' fans. Total disrespect for the intelligence of the 'original' fan. And it wasn't just the final 10 minutes. The seeds were sown in the abomination that was AOTC with the Anakin- Lars connection that was alluded to in ANH, or Star Wars as some would prefer to say.
Ryan McAvoy said:
Hey, it's me. said:
Why the hell wasnt the ability to save someone from death a 'Jedi' power? It just doesn't relate to something that can only be learnt by someone who practices in the Dark side of the Force.
In the pink floaty Opera house scene in ROTS, Anakin asks about the Sith's ability to 'prolong life beyond death'/'reanimate a dead person' and Palpatine replies:
"The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural"
But in the counter scene Yoda tells Anakin:
"Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not. Miss them do not. Attachment leads to jealousy. The shadow of greed that is. Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose."
The film 'Mary Shelley's Frankenstein' tells the story of a man who dared defy the-gods/nature and explore "Abilities some consider to be... unnatural". If I had to put Doctor Victor's research into one camp, it would be the Sith. When his wife Helena Bonham-Carter, is killed by is own creation he brings her back from the dead and look how that turned out...
Plus consider Palpatine entombing Anakin in the black Vader armour sustaining what's left of him past the point of death. Again I don't think this is a very Jedi thing.
Obi-Wan just puts up his saber at the end of ANH and excepts his fate.
A shame that Lucas layed the metaphor on far to thick in the "Noooooooo" re-animation chamber scene. I bet there is an out-take of Ian McDiarmid going "It's alive, it's alive!" lol
Yeah. I didnt quite mean reanimating a dead corpse but well done for being patronising lol. I meant in the sense of someone being terminally injured and being able to heal them. Saving them from death (within reason, obviously) kinda like the elixir of life in Lord of the Rings. But a force power.
Hey, it's me. said:
Yeah supposedly all tied up in a nice little bundle. Like, there you go that's for the 'older' fans. Total disrespect for the intelligence of the 'original' fan. And it wasn't just the final 10 minutes. The seeds were sown in the abomination that was AOTC with the Anakin- Lars connection that was alluded to in ANH, or Star Wars as some would prefer to say.
That was a HUGE missed oportunity.
I was looking for Owen and Anakin to actually be half-brothers who grew up together. Perhaps Anakin could've been the slightly older Son of his mothers rich and powerful first husband. When he died she was left with nothing and married the poor but honest farmer Lars. This would give the two brothers a strong family bond but it could also be used to set Anakin apart as ambitious, even arrogant believeing that he was literally born for better things. Owen on the other hand was content with the modest life he had.
Queue Anakin striding off to Join the Academy (Like Luke would want to do against the wishes and fears of his Aunt and Uncle). He becomes the best starpilot in the galaxy, meets Obi-Wan who is a rogueish young Jedi who (With no small part of his own arrogance) sees potential in him and decides to train him "JUST AS WELL AS YODA"
etc etc
Was that so difficult George? I just thought of that in about 90 seconds and it's better than the sh*t it took you a quarter century to write!
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Ryan McAvoy said:
Hey, it's me. said:
Yeah supposedly all tied up in a nice little bundle. Like, there you go that's for the 'older' fans. Total disrespect for the intelligence of the 'original' fan. And it wasn't just the final 10 minutes. The seeds were sown in the abomination that was AOTC with the Anakin- Lars connection that was alluded to in ANH, or Star Wars as some would prefer to say.
That was a HUGE missed oportunity.
I was looking for Owen and Anakin to actually be half-brothers who grew up together. Perhaps Anakin could've been the slightly older Son of his mothers rich and powerful first husband. When he died she was left with nothing and married the poor but honest farmer Lars. This would give the two brothers a strong family bond but it could also be used to set Anakin apart as ambitious, even arrogant believeing that he was literally born for better things. Owen on the other hand was content with the modest life he had.
Queue Anakin striding off to Join the Academy (Like Luke would want to do against the wishes and fears of his Aunt and Uncle). He becomes the best starpilot in the galaxy, meets Obi-Wan who is a rogueish young Jedi who (With no small part of his own arrogance) sees potential in him and decides to train him "JUST AS WELL AS YODA"
etc etc
Was that so difficult George? I just thought of that in about 90 seconds and it's better than the sh*t it took you a quarter century to write!
^THIS^
Hey, it's me. said:
Yeah. I didnt quite mean reanimating a dead corpse but well done for being patronising lol. I meant in the sense of someone being terminally injured and being able to heal them. Saving them from death (within reason, obviously) kinda like the elixir of life in Lord of the Rings. But a force power.
Yes that's true if handled right it could be portrayed as a good OR evil ability. My point is it's described as an evil thing in the PT, so I'm fine with that. Aragorn's ability to bring people back from the brink of death is the very sign that the King has returned to Gondor. So your absolutely right.
Usually in fantasy/SF the hero is required to "Give of themselves" to bring the heroine back to life. Wonder how this would be portrayed in the SW world?
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Ryan McAvoy said:
Hey, it's me. said:
Yeah. I didnt quite mean reanimating a dead corpse but well done for being patronising lol. I meant in the sense of someone being terminally injured and being able to heal them. Saving them from death (within reason, obviously) kinda like the elixir of life in Lord of the Rings. But a force power.
Yes that's true if handled right it could be portrayed as a good OR evil ability. My point is it's described as an evil thing in the PT, so I'm fine with that. Aragorn's ability to bring people back from the brink of death is the very sign that the King has returned to Gondor. So your absolutely right.
Usually in fantasy/SF the hero is required to "Give of themselves" to bring the heroine back to life. Wonder how this would be portrayed in the SW world?
Well if the PT's anything to go by how about a little nick with the sabre to draw blood and then feeding a drop so your midichlorians (yaaaawwwwnn) could get too work and do the healing.
That's what I mean about the darkside being of material and the Good side being etherial...
We are never shown a sith seeing a ghost of another sith.....
Material = Greed, to want
Etherial = To give
In the PT they got Anakin being arrogant right but they forgot that he needed to be a badass and likeable rogue to counteract this character trait so, we the audience would identify with him.
Sound familiar?
That's because that character is Han Solo. Han starts of the OT as a massively arrogant, sarcastic guy who I'm sure is convinced that his ship is like a gleaming Silver Naboo royal starship but is infact a barely functioning old rust bucket that only goes to Hyperspace if you hit it! But because he is such a badass and likeable rogue we love him (And the Falcon!). Through his new friendships he becomes a better person and joins the rebellion.
But if I was on the Jedi council I wouldn't let Han anywhere near the Force. You know Han would be taking "THE QUICK AND EASY PATH" to the darkside as soon as you handed him his robe. Han is the kind of "SIMPLE TRICKS AND NONSENSE" kind of guy that would fall into that trap.
So if GL had made Anakin this type of character, his fall would've been entirely believable and all the more painful because we would've been rooting for the guy for the past 3 films.
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The one word you used there above all others, was 'likeable'
The Prequel Trilogy needed guns.. not like able people...People shooting at each other...
Ronster said:
The Prequel Trilogy needed guns.. not like able people...People shooting at each other...
No Anakin needed to be likeable. And people rather than soulless clones and nothingness robots shooting at each other.
Yeah I was joking...
Your good..lol
Ryan McAvoy said:
In the PT they got Anakin being arrogant right but they forgot that he needed to be a badass and likeable rogue to counteract this character trait so, we the audience would identify with him.
Instead Lucas made him annoying, ungrateful, hypocritical and whiny. The PT was supposed to be a story about good man turning bad. In reality the PT was a story of how a complete jerk (PT Anakin) turned into one of the most likeable and badass characters in film history (OT Vader).
The fall to the dark side wasn't a tragedy. It was a big change for the better.
真実
That certainly sums it up... you hit the nail on that
Ronster said:
That certainly sums it up... you hit the nail on that
Yes he did.
Anakin slaughtering the trade federation goons was probably the point were I thought "Now were having fun with this character t last" ;-D
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imperialscum said:
Ryan McAvoy said:
In the PT they got Anakin being arrogant right but they forgot that he needed to be a badass and likeable rogue to counteract this character trait so, we the audience would identify with him.
Instead Lucas made him annoying, ungrateful, hypocritical and whiny. The PT was supposed to be a story about good man turning bad. In reality the PT was a story of how a complete jerk (PT Anakin) turned into one of the most likeable and badass characters in film history (OT Vader).
The fall to the dark side wasn't a tragedy. It was a big change for the better.
Maybe Lucas did get it right when you come to think of it. The majority of the kids who grew up with the PT were conditioned to relate to annoying, bland, f***ing idiots through the films. Maybe the mans more genius than we give him credit?
Anakin needed a much kinder heart that fell to ignorance with his fears.
We got shown the kind heart with Padme but he was not really kind to anyone else that's why it failed.
Anakin was portrayed as an annoying c***. Not as someone who was a kind, endearing character who tragically gave into temptation and sold his soul through the clever guile of evil and his own innocence to it. That's why the fall of PT Anakin, and the redemption of OT Anakin were lightyears apart.