Things not to get into a debate over: What a fight between Palpatine and Yoda would look like if they didn’t use lightsabers.
Somebody said it’d kind of look like Dragonball, or something close to what we actually did get in Revenge, minus the lightsabers. I suggested it’d be more of a battle of wits, with a bit of mind control, and somehow that evolved into “But the entirety of Revenge showed us that drawn out chess game between Yoda and Palpatine”.
Somebody said it’d kind of look like Dragonball
It’s amazing to think that the Palps/Yoda fight could have been worse.
I mean, I’d love for it to be a battle of words, rather than action, but “We stand here shouting for five hours to charge our Force Ball so that we can crush the enemy,” would be a bit much.
My preference for Palpatine would be to use the Mind trick more frequently, using others as meat shields, forcing them to fight each other instead of him. It’d be a great sign of just how proficient he is with the force to show him controlling those we normally believe to be strong minded.
For the cryptographers among you… a SW thought so random, it doesn’t even appear to relate to SW at first.
By way of explanation I should note that this matrix is actually rather interesting, given its apparent subject: clothing as plot. Or rather, costume design as foreshadowing.
As Doc Brown likes to say, the future isn’t written.
An explanation of the labels:
The X-axis represents Luke’s relationship with Vader; namely, is Darth Vader his father (ie, his real father, not Annikin Skywalker) or his elder brother?
The Y-axis represents the nature of Luke’s relationship with Leia: Incestuous, Not Incestuous, or she’s Dead by the end of ROTJ.
As for the various cultural allusions: they’re notes to John Mollo for the middle section of Star Wars, circa 1975.
Due to a printer’s error, the above chart was incorrectly arranged. The people responsible have been sacked.
This is how it should have looked:
Due to a typesetter’s error, a line was left out of the above chart by mistake. The people responsible for sacking the people who have been sacked, have been sacked.
A further corrected version of the chart follows below.
The new row of data, under the Y-axis label LH, refers to the scenario where Leia falls in love with Han Solo (rather than Luke), and the pair survive to the end of the OT.
Additionally, here’s a costume/makeup reference chart in the same vein, for the planned ending c. 1975 of the film that would become ROTJ.
“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”
I think there’s a point where we’re just not going to get it, regardless of if you have every detail right or not.
Please make a thread for that and leave us alone.
I like his perseverance.
When Watto gets a gift shop named after him, you know he’s held in higher regard than Jar Jar. 😉
http://www.yodasnews.com/wattos-grotto-at-disney-hollywood-studios/
We should lobby Disney for a Ric’s Cafe Naboo now.
Where were you in '77?
Watto was probably the best character in the movie, if you excuse the racism.
Watto was probably the best character in the movie, if you excuse the racism.
I don’t.
Anyway, CPY and Ric were both clearly superior.
Is Watto really considered to be a racist character?
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Uh, yes? He’s a money-grubbing businessman/slave-owner who has a huge nose and lives on a desert planet where he gambles in chariot races straight out of Ben-Hur.
“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”
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“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”
Don’t forget the beard and hat in AOTC…and the accent.
I mean, since people have told me, I get how people feel he’s racist.
To me he was always just a goofy character with a funny voice. I never heard him and went “Haha he’s supposed to be a JEW!” despite being long aware of that stereotype. Same with any Star Wars character.
Maybe I’m the weird one though.
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We’ve had this discussion before, and not just with Watto…there’s Jar Jar, the Nemoidians…some people see it, some people don’t. Some who don’t see it argue furiously that it’s not true, for some reason.
Actually, here’s proof of the racism in TPM.
Sometimes the prequels were an uncomfortable view into George Lucas’s mind and personal life.
Yeah, I’ve heard the argument a million times for various characters. I dunno if it’s intentional or not or whatever, I just never saw it.
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Nah, it’s not necessarily weird to not notice those things – but it’s definitely the sort of racial coding that ought to be avoided when writing.
I guess it didn’t bother GL though (cf. the Neimoidians, whose voice actors were deliberately told to mimic line readings by other non-English-speaking actors saying the lines phonetically.)
“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”
I guess it didn’t bother GL though (cf. the Neimoidians, whose voice actors were deliberately told to mimic line readings by non-English-speaking actors saying the lines phonetically.)
Well I mean, to play Devil’s Advocate here, I would imagine Neimoidians might not speak English as their native tongue and they do have very odd mouths so I would assume they would speak English pretty awkwardly.
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I guess it didn’t bother GL though (cf. the Neimoidians, whose voice actors were deliberately told to mimic line readings by non-English-speaking actors saying the lines phonetically.)
Well I mean, to play Devil’s Advocate here, I would imagine Neimoidians might not speak English as their native tongue and they do have very odd mouths so I would assume they would speak English pretty awkwardly.
http://www.davechen.net/2012/02/racism-stereotypes-phantom-menace-star.html
In a 1999 article for the Boston Review, Alan Stone corroborates Gottlieb’s take on things. He also identifies one of the reasons why Lucas got himself in trouble: he made the aliens English-speaking. Unlike aliens from the previous Star Wars films (see: Chewbacca, the Ewoks, all the people in the Cantina scene), the aliens in this film spoke our language and had accents and other characteristics reminiscent of the ones found in ethnic stereotypes:
What has made my student and many other cultists of his generation feel betrayed is the new ingredient in Lucas’s recipe: aliens who, unlike any of the previous exotic life forms, suggest racist stereotypes. The evil henchmen in this story seem to be Fu Manchu style Asians, and the primitive Gungan people who live under the sea suggest old Hollywood stereotypes of African-Americans.
Now that’s a good point and one I honestly never noticed.
I guess there’s a little Huttese thrown around and Sebulba speaks it exclusively, but that’s about it. Huh. Never even thought.
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The Huttese in The Phantom Menace isn’t that good either…
Watto was probably the best character in the movie, if you excuse the racism.
You don’t have to “excuse” the racism for him to be a good character. That’s the point of the character. He’s a bad guy, and that’s one of the bad things about him. Despite this, he is by no metric of the concept a good character.
EDIT: see later post for clarification. Preserving original post for the record.
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
