General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread — Page 16

doubleofive wrote: Are you Bret, or did you just find a cool picture? ;-)

No just found the pic (tumblr trolling), liked the 'PRODUCER' tagline.  and how often do you find a publicity photo where the person has thought about where they are going to sign.  classy.

More of a random question: Which should I watch first out of Star Wars Begins and Deleted Magic?

I'm not knocking Deleted Magic for what it is (even if the guy who made it went on to make an arse of himself) it's a well made fan documentary but I prefer Star Wars Begins.

Was that ocpmovie? He sold preservations on eBay or something didn't he?

I guess to clarify, I want to watch the one that has deleted scenes and stuff I haven't seen in the highest quality first. I'm guessing Star Wars Begins is superior?

Star Wars Begins has a more neutral tone and is generally better presented, in my opinion, it also accesses more sources (presumably some of which were not available to OCP when he made his documentary).

Before Star Wars Begins came out I used to give away Deleted Magic to interested friends and family members along with Building Empire and Returning To Jedi but as soon as it came out I knocked out a few copies to complete their sets.

There is nothing stopping you from downloading both (they both have their merits) but just don't give OCP any money for his.

Selling his own project was bad enough but selling other people's work too was beneath common piracy.

Ah, thanks for the extra info Bingo. I was about to go watch SWB anyway ;)

doubleKOK wrote: I want to watch the one that has deleted scenes and stuff I haven't seen in the highest quality first. I'm guessing Star Wars Begins is superior?

A they have a different approach, Deleted Magic was more about exhaustive research of one category of SW knowledge the scenes which were eliminated.  SWB is a general look into some of the knowledge which went into the production of the film.  It's one persons take on what is/was important.  Quality and deleted scene material don't go hand in hand.  "If Quality is all that you love, then that's what you'll receive."  but you'll missed out on a lot of  substance as they doesn't exist in current ""quality"" mode.

Bingowings worte: Selling his own project was bad enough but selling other people's work too was beneath common piracy.

OCP was just ahead of his time.  He looked at the world as if copyright legislation was at it's US infancy (14 years) and created a new work using old (what should be public domain) just as GL reused ideas, myths and motifs.  OCP & JD's work is generally the future of academic research as with all material available instead of writing about what happened you can conjoin the bits of the actual recorded happenings.  {but this type of future is in jeopardy as laws get rewritten}  Jambe has done the same thing, just using a larger pool of material.  But with that comes the subjectivity of the selections, as his time length is the same, can't focus everywhere in 2.5 hrs.  So yes watch both as you'll learn different things from each.

none said:

Bingowings worte: Selling his own project was bad enough but selling other people's work too was beneath common piracy.

OCP was just ahead of his time. 

OCP broke the forum rules.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Banning-of-OCPMovie/topic/7065/

TV's Frink wrote: OCP broke the forum rules.

Rules and laws can and will be changed as the members of the society which abides by them exists.

This is for everyone to decide for themselves, do you want to exist in a society in which after a certain period of time you are able to interact with the culture which surrounded you, or you can exist as society currently does that you are committing a punishable crime if you do interact with culture you grew up with.

Right now, in my eyes, you all gave up.  You would rather have people who create things go unrewarded besides the 'I Like' button.

That's unacceptable to me.  So i've taken this issue elsewhere.  Right to the U.S. Copyright Office, I made my case, they're thinking about it, or more likely writing me off as a kook.

We gave up?

Honestly, I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.  OCP broke the rules and got banned.  End of story.

TV's Frink wrote:

We gave up?

Honestly, I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.  OCP broke the rules and got banned.  End of story.

We know your mantra.  You weld it like a club.   

There Is No 'Done' With Me

none said:

TV's Frink wrote:

We gave up?

Honestly, I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.  OCP broke the rules and got banned.  End of story.

We know your mantra.  You weld it like a club.   

Heh.  I also wield it like a club.

Sorry, but my heart belongs to random Star Wars thoughts.

It's one thing to experiment with turning a coin out of restructuring elements from another work off your own bat.

It's another thing to develop that work from a space that forbids it, with the assistance of people who agree with those rules and another thing altogether to try and make money from someone else's work when it was developed in a space that forbids it and the person who made it sticks to those rules on principle.

Lucas didn't steal from Herbert etc, he emulated them and was fortunate enough to make more money from the emulation.

Faneditors don't steal from Lucas, they borrow and sometimes get more satisfying results using the same intellectual equipment.

If I construct a garden from discrete cuttings from my neighbour's plants with his knowledge and make an arguably better garden, my neighbour still has his garden.

If some bugger digs up my garden and sells the plants on ebay, my garden built on a blind eye turned by my neighbour is spoiled, it needs to be repaired and my neighbour may no longer allow me take cuttings if it encourages theft in the community.

I believe Deleted Magic Revisited is the one available on fanedit.info.

none said:

doubleKOK wrote:

double whaaa? Now that would be something.

Thanks none, for giving me a bit more on the difference between the two. I was planning to watch both irregardless so I'm not all about the quality ;)

Sounds like if ocp was ahead of his time, we might be in for a time full of garden variety thieves.

doubleKO said:

irregardless

Oh boy...