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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread — Page 116

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imperialscum said:

ray_afraid said:

I have no problem with eroticism of any kind in fiction. But it's totally out of place in a cartoon for children.

Now don't be ridiculous. The cartoon is based on and filled with violence scenes. And you complain about robot with breasts (not even naked ones)?

It funny how our society works. They let kids watch films where people are killing each other... but god forbid the kid will see some breasts.

 I already said I don't know much about the show. And I'm not complaining about some kids seeing some robo-tits, I'm complaining about the sexist way in which the robots are portrayed and treated.

I'd also like to add that I really don't give a sh*t. It just struck me as odd.

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Biggs in ANH edit idea
ROTJ opening edit idea

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^ Just stay away from TFN dude.

Here on OT is where the cool kids hang out.

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TFN hates Star Wars in general, from what I've been able to tell.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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It's amazing how we've gone from the clone wars being a vague incident in which the Republic fights against clones to an overexposed galactic war in which the Republic uses clones.

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It's only ever been vague to us. As to the scope, they are called the "wars" so I hardly think the word "incident" is fitting. As to what side or in what capacity the clones were involved was never implied. Though I agree the reveal that they were cloned slaves used by the Republic was more than a bit of a let down.

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^I suppose if George had inserted a scene of the stormtroopers raping the corpses of Owen and Beru after killing them, s/he'd have loved it as well.

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Wasn't there a thread about TFN forums in off topic? Do we really need to stink up this one?

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Tobar said:

As to the scope, they are called the "wars" so I hardly think the word "incident" is fitting. As to what side or in what capacity the clones were involved was never implied.

It is not that Clone Wars were an incident... it just that some cloning incident gave the name to the war. Just because "Clone" is inside the name, it doesn't mean clones had to be combatants. It is like Banana Wars where USA most definitely did not fight against bananas.

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I always imagined a situation where there was some kind of evil clone uprising.

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KilroyMcFadden said:

I always imagined a situation where there was some kind of evil clone uprising.

That's exactly what GL originally thought of it as: a rebellion by evil clones sometime in the past, which presumably led to a ban on the use of cloning technology (as seen in the use of mechanical artificial limbs--a plot staple from the very first draft of ANH).

In fact, the Clone Wars as first conceived were clearly inspired by the Butlerian Jihad in Dune--the long-ago conflict in which sentient machines rebelled against human rule, leading to a total ban on intelligent computers in the Dune universe. Only, in the SW galaxy, robots remain ubiquitous, and cloning is taboo instead.

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Tobar said:

It's only ever been vague to us. As to the scope, they are called the "wars" so I hardly think the word "incident" is fitting. As to what side or in what capacity the clones were involved was never implied. Though I agree the reveal that they were cloned slaves used by the Republic was more than a bit of a let down.

What I meant by "incident" is that it wasn't important to the saga (or to the EU for that matter). And you're correct that, EU aside, nothing was implied about which side or in what capacity the clones were involved, but many assumed that the clones and the Republic were on opposite sides.

ATMachine said: That's exactly what GL originally thought of it as

Where did you read/hear this?

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Where's all the random?

We have other threads for these kinds of things of which I have no interest in.

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In the 1977 story conferences excerpted in The Making of ESB, Lucas told Leigh Brackett that, because Lando Kadar was a clone, Leia ought to be suspicious of him, due to the Clone Wars. He further stated that the clones were "partly responsible for the war" and that "on these planets of clones, there are many countries, say about 700 countries and [Lando is] from one of the ruling clone clans."

The rest of the conclusion is my own inference; but it's not a great leap, really, when Lucas's various drafts and outlines from ANH and ESB have multiple dialogue lines lifted verbatim from Dune and its sequels.

Dune was clearly on his mind from the get-go as an influence, back to the very first "Journal of the Whills" outline--where "Prince Luke Skywalker" is the endangered heir of the royal family of a desert planet. In other words, an ersatz Paul Atreides. This role became the character of Princess Leia Aquilae by the time of the rough draft script, under the influence of The Hidden Fortress.

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Hmm. Do we have a "Dune Influences in SW" thread already?

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If I had the time and equipment, I'd probably do a restoration of our old Star Wars video tapes. Although mind you... others have done it better than I can.

Perhaps I should consider searching for something rarer that I can preserve somehow.

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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If you read the Thrawn trilogy by Timothy Zahn, you can see that his idea of what the Clone Wars were about was very, very different than it ended up being in the prequels, and far more interesting as well.  He wasn't allowed by Lucasfilm to include many direct details, but it is clear that his scenario involved an evil army of clones trying to take over the galaxy, and that the Old Republic fleet had fought long and hard against them to prevent it.  Many of the clones suffered from mental instability, even outright insanity, due to having been grown too quickly, making them spectacularly dangerous.

Exactly who the unnamed 'clonemasters' were, and why they embarked on this destructive course, is unknown.  But due to Palpatine's possession of a complete cloning complex, it may be inferred that he was involved in the events somehow—probably manipulating everything for his own benefit.  The Clone Wars did not lead directly into the formation of the Empire, having ended some fifteen years prior, but the chaos they left in their wake contributed greatly to this eventual outcome.

To me the true backstory of the original trilogy lies largely within this untold framework established by Zahn, as well as the hints of Vader's downfall from the drafts and novelization of RotJ, and nothing is ever going to convince me otherwise.

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hairy_hen said:

If you read the Thrawn trilogy by Timothy Zahn, you can see that his idea of what the Clone Wars were about was very, very different than it ended up being in the prequels, and far more interesting as well.  He wasn't allowed by Lucasfilm to include many direct details, but it is clear that his scenario involved an evil army of clones trying to take over the galaxy, and that the Old Republic fleet had fought long and hard against them to prevent it.  Many of the clones suffered from mental instability, even outright insanity, due to having been grown too quickly, making them spectacularly dangerous.

Exactly who the unnamed 'clonemasters' were, and why they embarked on this destructive course, is unknown.  But due to Palpatine's possession of a complete cloning complex, it may be inferred that he was involved in the events somehow—probably manipulating everything for his own benefit.  The Clone Wars did not lead directly into the formation of the Empire, having ended some fifteen years prior, but the chaos they left in their wake contributed greatly to this eventual outcome.

To me the true backstory of the original trilogy lies largely within this untold framework established by Zahn, as well as the hints of Vader's downfall from the drafts and novelization of RotJ, and nothing is ever going to convince me otherwise.

 All of this is right on.  Hairy, I'm gonna buy you a beer (don't know where, don't know when).

That’s impossible, even for a computer.

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Very interesting! I would have to suspect that Zahn's idea for the history of the Clone Wars was probably where Lucas first got the notion of Palpatine being the chessmaster behind them.

Lucas cribbing significant plot points of his movies/TV shows from EU material (after forcing the writers not to use them) isn't new. Back in the early 90s Rob MacGregor wrote an Indiana Jones novel (Peril at Delphi) whose first draft included as the story's narrator a 90-something Indiana Jones with an eyepatch and a cane. Lucas told him to cut out the bookends, claiming that "no one wants to see an old Indy."

Lo and behold, when the first season of The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles aired a couple years later, it featured a 90-something Indiana Jones, with an eyepatch and a cane, as the narrator in bookend segments in every episode. But the elderly Indy proved unpopular and was dropped from the show later on; in the current-day edits of the series he no longer appears at all.

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Thank you for dragging the thread back on-topic Bingo.

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Here's something I've been thinking about for awhile now. If PT Yoda had to weild a lightsaber, why didn't he weild a lightsaber like this

or like this

when in battle? Wouldn't it make more sense for him not to expend needless energy jumping around, trying to hit a taller opponent with a toy lightsaber, and instead use one that allows him greater reach/leverage?

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I don't know what is sadder, the tiny SW section at Toy R' Us these days, or the fact I had to explain to employees what a Viewmaster is.

When I finally did find them in the store, all they had were a couple gift sets. I was after the individual Star Wars reels that are a store exclusive. The 3D of ROTS that comes with the Vader styled viewer was very underwhelming.

Better than the fakey, cardboard cutout 3D that sometimes was released for a movie that never actually had stereoscopic photos shot on set, (E.T. was the worst offender) but not by much.

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