GOUT Bugs (and DUDSbtEoEE)

Discussions of the bugs in GOUT are strewn all over the forum. I’d like this thread to serve (well, this post) as a reference for the easily-correctable ones.

The definition of a bug in this context is left intentionally open. Question marks will be used to indicate a need for more information and/or examples.

Please don’t list things like: “DVNR! har har har!”. An exception is the infamous speeder shot because a replacement can be dropped in from an LD source (and color-corrected) without being too distracting.

Please do mention if a problem in NTSC GOUT is fixed in PAL GOUT or vice versa.

All

• Missing frames
• Aliasing
• Haloing
• Over-represented reds?

ANH

• NTSC version has more detail
• Soundtrack not faithful to the '77 mix?
• AR is off (less horizontal resolution) in a shot in Ben’s hut
• 139-frame infamous speeder shot is DVNR’d to hell

TESB

• NTSC version has more detail
• Chroma shift

ROTJ

• PAL version has more detail

First question: Is aliasing a problem for the entire GOUT or just ANH?

none said:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Whats-missing-from-GOUT/topic/6725/

Thanks! I'll have to look into this more closely to summarize.

I thought h_h mentioned once that the GOUT version of Star Wars had the wrong soundtrack--i.e. something that was assembled to resemble the '77 mix in most respects, but wasn't the actual '77 mix.  Anyone know the details, or am I maybe imagining things?

CatBus said:

I thought h_h mentioned once that the GOUT version of Star Wars had the wrong soundtrack--i.e. something that was assembled to resemble the '77 mix in most respects, but wasn't the actual '77 mix.  Anyone know the details, or am I maybe imagining things?

I thought they used the '93 mix?

Also, is the color-timing of ANH's crawl different from the rest of the video? That is, if you color-correct ANH perfectly (hypothetically speaking, of course) will you get the right or wrong colors for the crawl?

AntcuFaalb said:

CatBus said:

I thought h_h mentioned once that the GOUT version of Star Wars had the wrong soundtrack--i.e. something that was assembled to resemble the '77 mix in most respects, but wasn't the actual '77 mix.  Anyone know the details, or am I maybe imagining things?

I thought they used the '93 mix?

Possibly--either way, the whole soundtrack can be called a bug.

CatBus said:

AntcuFaalb said:

CatBus said:

I thought h_h mentioned once that the GOUT version of Star Wars had the wrong soundtrack--i.e. something that was assembled to resemble the '77 mix in most respects, but wasn't the actual '77 mix.  Anyone know the details, or am I maybe imagining things?

I thought they used the '93 mix?

Possibly--either way, the whole soundtrack can be called a bug.

Updated ;-p

Actually I think it's just Star Wars that's wrong.  I'm not sure it's easily provable if ESB and ROTJ are wrong, and I'd err on the side of caution for something trying to be a definitive list.

CatBus said:

Actually I think it's just Star Wars that's wrong.  I'm not sure it's easily provable if ESB and ROTJ are wrong, and I'd err on the side of caution for something trying to be a definitive list.

Agreed and fixed! My side-of-caution is the ?s :-)

none said:

When will Bugs be replaced with Deliberate Uncreative Decisions Supported by the Ease of Economic Expenditure? (DUDSbtEoEE)

Fixed!

AntcuFaalb said:

Please don't list things like: "DVNR! har har har!". An exception is the infamous speeder shot because a replacement can be dropped in from an LD source (and color-corrected) without being too distracting.

That's not going to fix the entire movie, though.

Or movie[u]s[/u], I should say. Empire is really bad, too.

Other "bugs" include the gate weave, those weird "glitchy saber" shots (don't know much about them, but I've seen the screen grabs), and obviously the non-anamorphic picture.

Asaki said:

 

Other "bugs" include the gate weave,

 

 and obviously the non-anamorphic picture.

how are those bugs?

if there was gate weave in the original

why wouldn't it be there?

also what does being non-anamorphic have

to do with being a bug? that's just the result

of what they did to present the final picture.

that was a deliberate choice, not a bug.

overall, those don't seem like bugs to me...

later

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CatBus said:

AntcuFaalb said:

CatBus said:

I thought h_h mentioned once that the GOUT version of Star Wars had the wrong soundtrack--i.e. something that was assembled to resemble the '77 mix in most respects, but wasn't the actual '77 mix.  Anyone know the details, or am I maybe imagining things?

I thought they used the '93 mix?

Possibly--either way, the whole soundtrack can be called a bug.

why is using a new mix a bug?

also, this wouldn't be an economic decision would it?

i think creating a new mix would have cost more..

later

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negative1 said:

why is using a new mix a bug?

The GOUT was pitched as the "original trilogy as it existed originally in the theatres", which is why they went through the trouble of putting in (or re-creating) the original crawl and flyover for Star Wars.  Given that description of what it was supposed to be, the only appropriate mixes for Star Wars would have been one of the '77 mixes.

It's not a technical glitch, but it is a point at which it clearly deviates from the purported design specs--and it's not even a matter of attempting to meet the design specs and doing badly at it (anamorphic could qualify as that), it's just not even in the same ballpark as the goal.  I think that qualifies as a bug.

You know, like if your software was supposed to be a Word Processor but it turned out to be a toaster oven.  Perhaps fully functional and even good at what it does but still wrong.

That's not going to fix the entire movie, though.

I agree, but I believe the infamous speeder shot is ruined enough to merit its own fix. Furthermore, it's relatively easy to drop in a replace that's similar in quality.

I don't notice things like the 4-eyed Stormtrooper, but I (and, I'm sure, others) do notice how destroyed those ~6 seconds are... even in motion.

why is using a new mix a bug?

I usually agree with you, but I'm going to have to go with CatBus here, especially now that we have a digital '77 mix available.

I'm watching the PAL (Germany) disc now. The picture looks better to me, but I might just be crazy.

Is it possible that rather than upscaling from NTSC GOUT, they downscaled from D1 -> PAL GOUT?

Are there any specific issues with ROTJ?

What's the difference between a bug and a flaw?

Moth3r said:

What's the difference between a bug and a flaw?

Haha! Nothing. I didn't know about your thread, but to justify the existence of this one, let's say that a bug is something easily correctable by a non-professional (with a little help, in some circumstances, if needed).