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Yeah I think it's lens flare. I don't think that I will be seeing this in theaters. As someone else said, even though it didn't turn out to be the greatest movie ever, I still have fond memories of seeing ROTS. Star Wars in theaters... "One last time" haha.
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Well,

http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/cw1.jpg

Thats no lens flare!

http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/cw2.jpg
http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/cw3.jpg

Not only is Anakin returning to Tatooine, but it looks like R2 is as well. And of course, because every single detail from the OT must be tied in and exploited, the Krayt dragon skeleton is there again. Maybe we'll find out that Anakin killed it :p (hey, thats not as unrealistic a possibility as it seems, given all this). Elsewhere there is a screenshot of Jabba the Hutt, apparently.

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My head hurts thinking about how much this is gonna suck.
It's like a vacuum of suckage inside my head.

Dr. M

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I think that's really a Bantha skeleton.

I don't see visiting Tatooine again being a major continuity problem. I just can't see why any major battles would be taking place there.

I'm betting Obi Wan finds his future little house out over by the Dune Sea. ;)
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SilverWook said:

I think that's really a Bantha skeleton.


True, those ram horns seem to indicate that.

silverwook said:

I don't see visiting Tatooine again being a major continuity problem. I just can't see why any major battles would be taking place there.


Its not that it contradicts information, it just contradicts the characterisation of the other films. Tatooine is supposed to be a periphery planet, and the characters are supposed to be out of the loop. Instead we see that every freaking person in the entire series has been to it and met everyone; maybe Anakin and his padawan will drop in on the relatives nearby!

silverwook said:

I'm betting Obi Wan finds his future little house out over by the Dune Sea. ;)


That would actually be kind of neat, but its still a pretty big story deviation that he would discover this while on some clone war mission to Tatooine with Anakin, Anakin's padawan (sigh...) and a small army of clone troopers.

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I agree. We saw Tatooine way too much in the prequels to jive with the "ass end of space" we saw in the OT. But whatever damage has been done won't get any worse...







Unless Anakin has a fight in the Mos Eisely cantina or Threepio bumps into Owen again. Then my head will explode. ;)
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zombie84 said:

Well,

http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/cw1.jpg

Thats no lens flare!

http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/cw2.jpg
http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/cw3.jpg

Not only is Anakin returning to Tatooine, but it looks like R2 is as well. And of course, because every single detail from the OT must be tied in and exploited, the Krayt dragon skeleton is there again. Maybe we'll find out that Anakin killed it :p (hey, thats not as unrealistic a possibility as it seems, given all this). Elsewhere there is a screenshot of Jabba the Hutt, apparently.


This is going to be the best video game ever.
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this would be great if it was set in a different time period with different characters.
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I don't care if George Lucas makes stuff up as he goes along, all I ask is that he remains faithful to what has already been established, and that he doesn't make the whole Star Wars universe into one where every last concept commits incest with every other concept.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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zombie84 said:

silverwook said:

I don't see visiting Tatooine again being a major continuity problem. I just can't see why any major battles would be taking place there.


Its not that it contradicts information, it just contradicts the characterisation of the other films. Tatooine is supposed to be a periphery planet, and the characters are supposed to be out of the loop. Instead we see that every freaking person in the entire series has been to it and met everyone; maybe Anakin and his padawan will drop in on the relatives nearby!


Then: "If there's a bright center to the universe you're on the planet that it's farthest from."

Now Tattooine is the center of the universe. Everything must take place there or at least come into contact with that planet. One would have to wonder why Obi-Wan took baby Luke there if this planet saw so much activity. That's the last place I'd take him.
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What I really don't get is why GL didn't go for a series that took place after the OT.
It would be far more interesting.
As we've seen from books and computer games there's a lot of ways to go from there... and telling that story is something he had always planned on.

Dr. M

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Doctor M said:

What I really don't get is why GL didn't go for a series that took place after the OT.
It would be far more interesting.
As we've seen from books and computer games there's a lot of ways to go from there... and telling that story is something he had always planned on.


Be happy we don't have to see Han, Luke, and Leia in some lame cartoon, that will further diminish their characters. I am all for this Clone War cartoon, it screws with the continuity of the PT, now that Anakin has an apprentice, it makes the series more juvenile cause it looks like it is really catering to kids now, so now all the PT/Saga fans who have seen what we have gone through for 10 years, are now seeing it happen to their beloved movies.

I am all for not screwing up the OOT anymore, so let Lucas keep scewing up the PT, maybe even making Special Edition and start updating those movies, and then we will someday see:

www.originalprequeltrilogy.com

"I just wish George would put out the original version of the PT on BluRay without all those stupid updates and deleted scenes......."

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Doctor M said:

What I really don't get is why GL didn't go for a series that took place after the OT.
It would be far more interesting.
As we've seen from books and computer games there's a lot of ways to go from there... and telling that story is something he had always planned on.


I would guess that Lucas is reluctant to write himself into a corner for the OT, since he may be (secretly) entertaining the possibility of a sequel trilogy some day. Besides, he probably thinks the PT is more fresh on people's - and especially kids' - minds.

On using the Y-Wings, this is really the only thing I've seen that gives me a positive feel for this cartoon. I know the ships are just window dressing, but this is the kind of hat tip that should have been in the prequels from the start.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Its likely a marketing thing. The Clone Wars appeals to all the 13 year old because thats always been LFL's biggest market, and right now they are all about Jedi battles, lightsaber fighting styles, Clone Wars, Anakin and Obi Wan, General Grievous and other PT stuff. The prime demographic right now is all about the PT. Thats why everything in the Star Wars Insider is entirely PT based.

But you know this kind of ascillary stuff has always been dumb, it just never tied directly into the films they way this one does. I mean The Ewok Adventure, hello?? If there was an internet in 1985 we'd probably be having this exact same conversation. At a certain point you have to just pick and choose which SW stuff you like, its just unfortunate that the amount of garbage has grown so big lately.

The Secret History of Star Wars -- now available on Amazon.com!

"When George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me."

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There are loopholes in just about everything Lucas has said over the past few years in regards to Episode VII. The 60 Minutes interview from '05 when he says "there is no Episode VII." Well, no, there isn't, that's because it doesn't exist right now. That doesn't mean it never will. The biggest loophole is the "This is the last Star Wars movie I will ever direct" comment.

As for the PT and this series specifically, well, I'll say this. Recently someone put up online a Ted Koppel interview from '83 where Siskel, Ebert and some other critic discuss Return of the Jedi and its merits. The other critic whose name I can't remember brought up the point that "it might as well be a cartoon." Ebert cleverly responded with "Well, I think these are the kind of movies Disney should start making."

Here's my point with all this. Remember how people said ROTJ was where the trouble really began? Remember how by the time we got to ROTS they were calling it a Pixar film? I think this simply finishes it off by making it completely CG at last.
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Fang Zei said:

Here's my point with all this. Remember how people said ROTJ was where the trouble really began? Remember how by the time we got to ROTS they were calling it a Pixar film? I think this simply finishes it off by making it completely CG at last.


So the circle is complete? Thats an interesting way of looking at it. Though there were two Star Wars cartoon series in 1985, but they weren't connected to the series the way this one is.

Here's my point: In 1983 Lucas was saying "I'm never going to do another Star Wars, this is the end and the series has turned out good and been good to me and I hope you all like it as much as I do."
But then he made an Ewok feature film in 1985. Then he made not one but two cartoon series in 1985. Then a year or two later he made another Ewok movie. What the hell happened to "no more Star Wars"? But we shouldn't get our panties in a wad; those old shows you can easily ignore and this one you can too. The truth is there never will be an end to Star Wars, it'll go on forever, and eventually it'll be exhausted and milked to the point where theres nothing more that they can retcon because they've squeezed every possible story angle, and thats when they'll be forced to go back and remake it and start all over. When do you just say "okay, enough, I just like the originals"? You have to, at some point, because it will get to the point I've described here. So the quicker fans come to realise this the easier life will be. Just let go. This is all just mass product. Some of it is good, so take a gander once in a while and see what you like, but most of it will be crap.

The Secret History of Star Wars -- now available on Amazon.com!

"When George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me."

--James Cameron, Entertainment Weekly, April 2010

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There were a couple things I forgot to say actually (man, my mind wanders sometimes):

-Lucas was an animation nut back around the time he got out of USC and as zombie pointed out that never really went away.

-What I was talking about in regards to the new Clone Wars show is that it actually looks fairly cinematic, and unlike the old animated shows, this one is actually getting a theatrical release.

one last thing:

They've been milking those three years between Star Wars and Empire for, what, 30 years now? I was surprised as anyone when Lucas announced way back when ('05?) that there'd be a cg Clone Wars show, but 22-19 bby is the new 0-3 aby.
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I agree about the timeline between ANH and ESB. ESPECIALLY the first six months. The amount of adventures featured in that short amount of time is absolutely ludicrous (you could even argue that it's impossible). Not to mention we have duplications of events that are paved over with the stupidest retcons in history.

There are two contradictory stories detailing the evacuation of Yavin IV, so what's the solution? The Alliance cleared out, waited for the Empire to finish searching the area, and then CAME BACK TO YAVIN IV. WITHIN SIX MONTHS. There's also two accounts of Luke's first meeting with Boba Fett. The solution? When Luke met Boba in the Holiday Special, the colors of his suit are different enough so that he DOESN'T RECOGNIZE HIM THE SECOND TIME AROUND. Congrats, Luke. You're a moron. And again, this is within SIX MONTHS.

I'll take the Clone Wars (which is certainly not free of its own continuity blunders, thanks mostly to that damned cartoon) any day.
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I don't think your supposed to take the old marvel comic seriously enough to demand an explanation for why it doesn't cohere with the 14 billion subsequent EU stories. And that goes for any EU. Why doesn't it all cohere? Because its fucking EU thats why. Its impossible to have EU make sense when you consider the amount of sources available. Just read it, enjoy it where you can and don't give it too much thought.

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--James Cameron, Entertainment Weekly, April 2010

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spoiler warning: read at your own risk***

the thing with the holiday special is it has been taken out of canon continuity that is why it does not mesh well with empire strikes back.

besides the boba fett in the holiday special cartoon is more like the pre production fett super trooper johnston was working on and there were supposed to be an entire army of them.

not sure if this is where the whole clone trooper and mandalorian thing first came about, but i suspect it is.

one thing i liked about the holiday special cartoon as a kid, was the characters were voiced by ford, fisher, and hamill. then the droids and ewok cartoons happened and all they could afford was anothony "tony" daniels back as threepio. then fast forward to the genddy clone wars and lucas clone war cartoons and none of them were in the movies, although i have heard rumors the newest clone cartoons will have the real threepio.

and the whole retcon of the marvel into the eu continuity in legacy of the force was so stupid it is not too be believed, the dark lady of the sith from marvel was jacen solos second sith master, finding out vergere was his first.

not to mention the new novels are a complete retread of the horrible prequels and destroy any character development and good that came about from the njo.

the killing of mara was the last straw for me i consider anything but the new dark horse comics to be utter garbage.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Wouldn't those old stories be "more" official in a way, because at least Lucas was apparently actually reading those comics and semi-involved back then? He was handpicking specific artists, and voiced his displeasure at the first marvel story (the one with the big green rabbit) and a completely new writer and artist took over...
Either way, this cartoon looks kinda cheap. It will really be interesting to see how this does in the theater. Without the "regular" movie audience we might see theatres with a weird mix of 10 year old boys and schlubby grown men, and nothing else!
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There's nothing to suggest that either the old comics or the Holiday Special have been removed from canon. In fact, their inclusion makes sense, as both Lumiya and Lumpy make appearances in later novels.
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zombie84 said:


With the Clone Wars on Tatooine, and Anakin partaking in the mission, it seems he really does. Its not that its bad that its made up as they go, just that it never stays consistent or within the same series. As far as I'm concerned I'm not really a Star Wars fan anymore because what is currently considered "Star Wars" is an entirely different franchise from the one I fell in love with. Not in a metaphorica, philosophical sense, but in a literal sense, the story and characters are different and exist in this weird alternate universe that bears a vague resemblance to that older series but is really a seperate remake of sorts.


Just to expound on this them a bit more, has everybody seen the new "Force Unleashed" video from last week, where the developers talk about the different experiences on each "platform" (Wii, PS2, PS3, DS, PSP)? It's here:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/32575.html

They talk a lot about recreating scenes from the OT, but with the "Unleashed" powers, which are WAY over the top, even compared to what we saw in the PT. There are also a number of mentions of how "powerful" the player will feel, wielding the "Unleashed" powers. Now, I realise that the main character in "The Force Unleashed" is supposed to be Vader's "secret apprentice" from sometime before the OT, but all this talk of how powerful the player will feel sounds EXACTLY like Vader/Palpatine trying to tempt Luke to the Dark Side in the OT, except its being used to sell a video game. Doesn't anybody at LFL see the irony in this?

I have to say, all of this feels like just one more instance where real-world technology has simply overwhelmed the original idea of Star Wars, and turned it into a completely different thing. Much as technology (and unlimited resources) took away the limitations that shaped the early OT (everything before ROTJ) and allowed GL to follow his every whim down the rabbit hole (or up his own posterior, depending on your point of view) in the pT, technology in the video game industry is pushing the "quaint" OT into the background, as well.

Much like the movie industry, technology allows for more over the top, showy effects, which are then used to hype the product to power-hungry teenage boys. Whatever story might be involved is completely overshadowed by the awesome powers and physics simulation in the game.

And, just to keep the self-referential streak going, Vader finds his "secret apprentice" on Kashyyyk. The player also gets to play one level as Vader, force-choking Wookiees and flinging them about the forested landscape with abandon................
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zombie84 said:

Whatever story might be involved is completely overshadowed by the awesome powers and physics simulation in the game.


And you have a problem with this? The only video games with any right to an interesting story have "Final Fantasy" in their titles.
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I'm a huge fan of Jedi Outcast. The game makes you feel all Jedi-y while still managing to be pretty balanced.

I'd like to see someone cut together an edit from the Dark Forces series. They felt more Star Wars than the PT.

But I think we've wandered pretty far from the path now.

Dr. M