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Fox doesn't own the Star Wars Trilogy right?

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This may seem completely redundant because I'm 99.99% sure about the answer (I would say 100% sure but I'm covering my tracks in case I'm wrong) but it's driving me insane. This website called Badassdigest said that the OUT will not be released because Fox owns the movies. I commented that Fox only owns distribution rights til 2020 and perpetual rights for Star Wars etc. etc. I basically just told him what I knew from my understanding. Then the author of the blog or whatever said, "You're wrong" Fox owns the movies and can release whatever they want with or without Disney's permission. So I said, "well I know for sure that Lucas owned all 3 movies before he sold it so I don't know why that would change now" and he said something about how Fox owns the rights to the OUT and all the special editions, and that makes no sense because they would've released the OUT by now if that were the case. Am I missing something? An answer would be appreciated.

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I checked that site and read some of the moderators comments. I'm assuming they don't know what the hell they're talking about because I'm certain that Lucasfilm owns the movies. Fox owned Star Wars for a while but I believe Lucas got it back when he let Fox distribute the prequels. Star Wars, Empire, and Jedi are owned by Lucasfilm (now Disney) and Fox just has the distribution rights. Again, this could have changed somehow when Disney bought Lucasfilm (I doubt it and am just saying it's a possibility because I'm not sure), but that site is wrong in saying that Lucas never owned the films, he definitely did. 

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moviefreakedmind said:

I checked that site and read some of the moderators comments. I'm assuming they don't know what the hell they're talking about because I'm certain that Lucasfilm owns the movies. Fox owned Star Wars for a while but I believe Lucas got it back when he let Fox distribute the prequels. Star Wars, Empire, and Jedi are owned by Lucasfilm (now Disney) and Fox just has the distribution rights. Again, this could have changed somehow when Disney bought Lucasfilm (I doubt it and am just saying it's a possibility because I'm not sure), but that site is wrong in saying that Lucas never owned the films, he definitely did. 

 That's exactly what I thought, I just wanted to make sure. Thanks

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something else interesting is that the guy says that his "sources" (whatever that means) at Fox have said that they won't release the unaltered cuts as long as Lucas is alive. That is interesting but nearly impossible to believe because this guy is for some reason under the assumption that the movies themselves are owned by Fox so I'm unsure of his credibility regarding the OUT. It also seems like a completely bizarre business deal too, and legally it just doesn't make any sense but who knows. I can't picture Lucas making a deal to never release the original films while he's alive, especially since he allowed the GOUT to be released, it just makes no sense but again, I don't have all the facts.

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That is very odd, and I didn't notice that when I first came across the article. It makes even less sense than the people who are worried that Lucas somehow made it so Disney isn't allowed to release the OUT in the contract when they bought Lucasfilm. I'm skeptical of what he meant by "sources", one of my problems with the comicbook.com site was that they claimed to have accurate sources but then made no explanation as to who they were or what they said or why it should be considered accurate. If the sources saying Fox will refuse to release the OUT because of Lucas think that the OT is owned by Fox, then I definitely don't put any faith into what they have to say, but who knows

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Every one of these websites has a shadowy, mysterious, "source" of information. Best to take it all with a grain of salt the size of a Volkswagen. ;)

Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:

Every one of these websites has a shadowy, mysterious, "source" of information. Best to take it all with a grain of salt the size of a Volkswagen. ;)

 Haha, of course. This one in particular just really got under my skin and annoyed me for some reason

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I have a feeling that in order to not dishonor Lucas that a fully restored OUT will not happen at least not soon.  This is probably on part of both Fox respecting an old deal and Kathleen Kennedy at Lucasfilm who is a personal friend of Lucas.  The other threads on this subject mention that Fox has distribution rights anyway and Disney owns the property so they'd have to come to some sort of deal to even get that ball rolling. 

All of the attention will be on the new films anyway so they want everyone thinking about that new timeline and era with Rebels and not so concentrated on the OT.

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I've always said that if they don't release the OUT, it WON'T be because of Lucas. They make decisions based on money, not on a vague ever-changing "artistic vision". Honestly, I don't think Lucas cares anymore, he did sell it, and unless he's a total immature child, then he'll understand it's not his to control anymore. Lucas being the businessman that he is, I think selling Star Wars was literally his way of letting go of the whole thing, since, as a business man he knows exactly what ownership means, and now that he doesn't own it anymore, he probably understands that he has no power over it. 

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ratpack1961 said:

All of the attention will be on the new films anyway so they want everyone thinking about that new timeline and era with Rebels and not so concentrated on the OT.

The OT is iconic, and I doubt that Disney has any desire to change that. Also, people concentrating on the OT isn't going to prevent them from concentrating on the ST and Rebels.

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ratpack1961 said:

I have a feeling that in order to not dishonor Lucas that a fully restored OUT will not happen at least not soon. 

Name one corporation that cares about "not dishonoring" someone.

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darklordoftech said:

ratpack1961 said:

All of the attention will be on the new films anyway so they want everyone thinking about that new timeline and era with Rebels and not so concentrated on the OT.

The OT is iconic, and I doubt that Disney has any desire to change that. Also, people concentrating on the OT isn't going to prevent them from concentrating on the ST and Rebels.

Remember how many re-releases of the OT leading up to the prequels there were? the "one last time" release, the Special Edition, the laserdisc Special Edition, the Special Edition with Episodes IV, V, and VI written on the boxes... Just because Disney is making more movies does not mean that the OT is going to be left in a dumpster and never released again. 

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This'll sound rude (and I really don't want it to be!), but from my experience with that site, I've noticed that the man who wrote that article usually has no clue what he's talking about, just in May when Bleeding Cool released their rumor the same guy said to count on Star Wars being released within the year or something. I must stress that I'm not a follower and I could have just read some of his bad articles, and the man could be a genius for all I know, but he's definitely completely wrong on almost everything he said in that short article that you're referring to. It's also quite obnoxious that after the several comments saying otherwise he just insists further that he's right. Then in a "debate" with Faraci, one commenter (i'm assuming it's you since it was called gizzy) posted an old 90's article from when Lucas acquired Star Wars and of course that got ignored. As for the "sources" regarding Fox not releasing Star Wars while Lucas is alive, that was even more vague than the comicbook.net rumor, and the claim itself made less sense. I'd say nothing said in that article is anything to worry about when it comes to an OUT release; that being said, I still don't put much faith into the comicbook.net article since it was so vague about its sources. Since the rumor was stated with such confidence, I think it's either a deliberately made up lie, or something based on information from people the author deems reliable, maybe even sources from inside Disney or Lucasfilm, and if that's the case then it makes sense why those sources were not adequately explained since they would probably want to remain anonymous. Either way it's not speculation, or at least I don't think so. 

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Short Round: that sounds a bit harsh but as I've never read any article other than that one, I can't argue. Yes I did comment at him and I found him a bit obnoxious, but I'm sure we all come across as assholes when we're confident we're right ;)

Then again, as a journalist (or whatever the hell he is) you really should check your facts before writing something, but to each their own I guess. I just know that his post is really confusing a lot of people, and I've seen several other articles regarding the rumor refer to (and even quote) his post to explain why a release will never happen, which is unfortunate since it's completely incorrect on every single one of its points. Not to mention some kind of pointless speculation about Fox not releasing Star Wars with Lucas being alive, even though his post seemed to be criticizing baseless speculation!

Idk, it just pissed me off because he was criticizing the comicbook.net people for making things up (which maybe they are, that's yet to be seen) while he was clearly infinitely more ill-informed than they were, if comicbook.com is making garbage up, then at least they got their facts straight! Seriously, everything comicbook.net said fits with what we know about the OUT, even if it is a lie. Not to mention Faraci's own baseless rumor at the end too.

Wow I just need to learn to let things go! Oh well, rant over :) 

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None of these rumor mills are run by journalists. The ethics and rules real journalists live (and die) by don't apply. And if the baloney being passed off as facts don't pan out a year or two later, who's going to dig it up and complain?

It's all about the hits they get when people click on them.

I recently watched the movie Shattered Glass, about a rising star journalist, Phillip Glass, who fabricated articles for a respected publication in the 1990's. A person like Glass would probably have a blog today, (with a lot of blind followers eating up every word) with nobody fact checking or questioning the veracity of their work.

Where were you in '77?

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Gizzy I think you have a very optimistic appraisal of how people in the real world act online :) Silverwook is definitely right, it's about views and getting people to click. I'm sure back in May Faraci thought he'd get more views by saying that Star Wars was on its way to blu ray, and this time he thought he'd get more views if he said we'll never see it. None of this is based on fact; I'd bet he knows he's wrong now and won't correct it because that would make him look worse, since none of his followers will fact check him anyway. As for what I said earlier, yes it does sound harsh, but it really is true, at least from what I've seen it is. 

The basic moral here is that Faraci had no idea what the hell he was talking about when he wrote that article, and not one word of what was written in it should be given a second thought by anyone looking for legitimate news about the OUT. The same could probably be said about the comicbook.com article but I'll give it a chance since it didn't say anything particularly untrue, but I'm not getting my hopes up at all.