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As time goes by, I care less and less about the 5.1 surround mix. More often than not, the surround mixes are used improperly and in more gimmicky ways than they probably should be. And with the OT discs, aural inconsistencies abound. The surround mixes on the SW DVDs aren't that great. In a few instances they are effective, but are mostly used to just hit you over the head. Surround sound should be used to create an atmosphere, to make the walls of the theater room disappear. To my ear, very few films use surround sound to proper artistic or dramatic effect. It's all just, "whoosh", "boom", "bigger boom", "vroom-vroom". It gets boring real fast, and this is coming from someone with a pretty fine HT set-up.

I care very little about the inclusion of surround mixes. Sonically, they don't mesh with the film and stand out in most cases as balatantly as the CG additions. Unless they make them acoustically match the quality of the original tracks, it takes me out of the experience. Spare us the amateurish surround mixes and focus entirely on getting the picture quality right...consistent color that isn't oversaturated would be nice, and fix the damn lightsabers! Give them back their cores for christ sake! Give a great picture with a 2.0 mix and I'll have all I need from the OT.
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Originally posted by: JediFlyer06
As time goes by, I care less and less about the 5.1 surround mix. More often than not, the surround mixes are used improperly and in more gimmicky ways than they probably should be. And with the OT discs, aural inconsistencies abound. The surround mixes on the SW DVDs aren't that great. In a few instances they are effective, but are mostly used to just hit you over the head. Surround sound should be used to create an atmosphere, to make the walls of the theater room disappear. To my ear, very few films use surround sound to proper artistic or dramatic effect. It's all just, "whoosh", "boom", "bigger boom", "vroom-vroom". It gets boring real fast, and this is coming from someone with a pretty fine HT set-up.

I care very little about the inclusion of surround mixes. Sonically, they don't mesh with the film and stand out in most cases as balatantly as the CG additions. Unless they make them acoustically match the quality of the original tracks, it takes me out of the experience. Spare us the amateurish surround mixes and focus entirely on getting the picture quality right...consistent color that isn't oversaturated would be nice, and fix the damn lightsabers! Give them back their cores for christ sake! Give a great picture with a 2.0 mix and I'll have all I need from the OT.

Originally posted by: Krycek87
I could care less about a 5.1 track, 2.0 sounds good enough for me! There is no need for that, as for just an anamorphic treatment, good! I could care less for a remaster, as long as it anamorphic, I can live in nostalgia. This is to be the way we remember them! The only thing that bugged me was the anamorphic thing. If this is all true, for me atleast, my bitching is over! I am getting what I want!

I agree with both of you- I'm happy with a good, clean 2.0 mix. As a purist, I'm not crazy about movie soundtracks being "remixed". "Remastered" is fine, but to me, remixing is like taking a car apart, and putting it back together- there's always a bolt or 2 left over that you don't know where to put back. LOL
Same goes for music- I'm very happy with my original soundtrack for Yellow Submarine, thank you. I don't need the newer remixed "songbook" version.

Frankly, I'm not crazy about surround sound that much anyway. I don't like sound coming from in back of my head- I find it distracting. I think the sound should draw you towards the screen, not away from it. But then, I'm a bit of a fuddy-duddy, so don't mind me.

This whole anamorphic development is very interesting indeed. I can't imagine that they'll release anamorphic in France, but not in the US???

BTW, I don't see anything on the French Fox website that mentions the DVDs:

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Originally posted by: ESHBG
Originally posted by: Darth Mallwalker
Originally posted by: ESHBG
"Sgt. Pepper's may be relased on CD but it will be a crappy rip from the original recordings. Sorry, no remastering." The fans say, "Why even bother then?!?" and are disappointed yet again.

A few months pass...
Nineteen years have passed, and we're still waiting for EMI to do justice to The Beatles' catalog.
Those commercial CDs are crappy rips.
That's why guys like Dr. Ebbetts are playing the "X0" role with ultra-high-end turntables and pristine vinyl and getting better results than the official CDs.

Yeah right after I posted that I thought, "That was probably a bad example." LOL

Sound and Vision magazine reported last month that the whole Beatles catalog is being remastered.

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If it's anamorphic and a good-looking transfer, I will be content with these releases, and they'll be my final SW movie purchases (although maybe I shouldn't say that, as it will give Lucas an incentive to screw it up just so I'll repurchase over and over again). I don't care about a 5.1 mix. Stereo's good enough for me. Besides, like others have mentioned, the mixes done for the '04 set suck. Please don't let him just slap that mix on there, cutting out the SE stuff. I'd better be able to hear the damned Force theme during the Yavin battle, or there will be hell to pay. Creative decisions, my ass! And I'd rather they didn't mess with the picture. The less they touch, the less they can screw up. So yeah, I just want anamorphic with good picture and a not 2004 sound mix, and I'll be happy. Let's see if they can do something that simple.

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And people wonder sometimes why I bother getting a region free DVD player.

I usually get te last laugh on that one.
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Originally posted by: Harlock415
And people wonder sometimes why I bother getting a region free DVD player.

I usually get te last laugh on that one.


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For all the debate on Star Wars 70 mm 6-track mix, I didn't think there was much of a difference between the 35mm and 70 mm mixes. I would be happy with the 35 mm mix and mono mix.
Now for ESB, the 70 mm is different, and would be nice to include with the standard 35mm mix.

Do we know what sound mix they are using for this release? Definitive edition/faces mix?
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Number 20, AFAIK, which mix it is hasn't been announced (unsurprisingly). I'm guessing it'll be the '93 mix, as that is contemporary with the video and was meant, at the time, to be the "definitive" reconstruction (see audio threads for debate on this).
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
If it's anamorphic and a good-looking transfer, I will be content with these releases, and they'll be my final SW movie purchases (although maybe I shouldn't say that, as it will give Lucas an incentive to screw it up just so I'll repurchase over and over again). I don't care about a 5.1 mix. Stereo's good enough for me. Besides, like others have mentioned, the mixes done for the '04 set suck. Please don't let him just slap that mix on there, cutting out the SE stuff. I'd better be able to hear the damned Force theme during the Yavin battle, or there will be hell to pay. Creative decisions, my ass! And I'd rather they didn't mess with the picture. The less they touch, the less they can screw up. So yeah, I just want anamorphic with good picture and a not 2004 sound mix, and I'll be happy. Let's see if they can do something that simple.

Yes, but with a little time and effort remixs like the ones on the Indiana Jones boxed set (which, by the way, should have and did not include the original tracks) or the 2001 or other excellent remixes of older films could be created. If Skywalker Sound and THX just spent a bit of time, they could create a superb 5.1 mix. That is providing, of course, that the original mixes and restored picture are included.

Why is it that a little green muppet from 1980 looks more realistic and lifelike than the best CGI that the 21st century has to offer? What does this say about the state of modern "special" effects?


Look at Robocop. The ED-209 stop motion may look dated, but the practical effects by Rob Bottin on Robocop himself are as impressive as ever. An American Werewolf in London is still arguably the best werewolf transformation ever filmed (CGI can seem to get werewolves right), Alien is as breathtaking and terrifying as it ever was, and the full-body shot of the queen in James Cameron's Aliens is more impressive than anything in the prequel trilogy. CGI, when used carefully, is an interesting tool. But that doesn't mean that older effects techniques have no merit. One one hand, filmakers can now create anything that they can imagine. On the other, this means that they might not stop to think outside the box. An excellent review for The Road Warrior that I once read put it best. There is a certain viscer thrill that one can only get by banging two object together, and CG can't replace that.

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Originally posted by: Krycek87
I could care less about a 5.1 track, 2.0 sounds good enough for me! There is no need for that, as for just an anamorphic treatment, good! I could care less for a remaster, as long as it anamorphic, I can live in nostalgia. This is to be the way we remember them! The only thing that bugged me was the anamorphic thing. If this is all true, for me atleast, my bitching is over! I am getting what I want!


Exactly. Stereo sounds great, and I really could care less about a remastering. Just the DVD upgrade sounds good. After all, my bootlegs look very good, and feel very nostalgic, so the september release will be good enough for me. Anamorphic and stereo is all I need. The mono track would be good too.
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Originally posted by: Krycek87
I could care less about a 5.1 track, 2.0 sounds good enough for me! There is no need for that, as for just an anamorphic treatment, good! I could care less for a remaster, as long as it anamorphic, I can live in nostalgia. This is to be the way we remember them! The only thing that bugged me was the anamorphic thing. If this is all true, for me atleast, my bitching is over! I am getting what I want!


Exactly. Stereo sounds great, and I really could care less about a remastering. Just the DVD upgrade sounds good. After all, my bootlegs look very good, and feel very nostalgic, so the september release will be good enough for me. Anamorphic and stereo is all I need. The mono track would be good too.


LFL could always just go the extra mile and include all three to satisfy everybody.

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If this announcement is true, it will be a day of mourning for the Lucas-attacker crowd. They will have lost the final reason to bite him, and will have to wait at least a week to find something new.
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Originally posted by: Mike O
Why is it that a little green muppet from 1980 looks more realistic and lifelike than the best CGI that the 21st century has to offer? What does this say about the state of modern "special" effects?


Look at Robocop. The ED-209 stop motion may look dated, but the practical effects by Rob Bottin on Robocop himself are as impressive as ever. An American Werewolf in London is still arguably the best werewolf transformation ever filmed (CGI can seem to get werewolves right), Alien is as breathtaking and terrifying as it ever was, and the full-body shot of the queen in James Cameron's Aliens is more impressive than anything in the prequel trilogy. CGI, when used carefully, is an interesting tool. But that doesn't mean that older effects techniques have no merit. One one hand, filmakers can now create anything that they can imagine. On the other, this means that they might not stop to think outside the box. An excellent review for The Road Warrior that I once read put it best. There is a certain viscer thrill that one can only get by banging two object together, and CG can't replace that.


That's basically the point I was trying to make with my signature. Except I don't know if you get a visceral thrill seeing Yoda bumping around his little house, but at least he looks like he is actually filling that physical space.

I love The Road Warrior too - can you imagine how crappy it would be done with CGI?
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I don't care what soundtrack they use as long as the lines "Close the blast doors!" and "You're lucky you don't taste very good." are in the movie.

My laserdisc is missing the former line. It makes me sad.
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I'll bet your laserdisc is also missing C-3PO's line about the tractor beam.
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Originally posted by: andy_k_250
Originally posted by: Mike O
Why is it that a little green muppet from 1980 looks more realistic and lifelike than the best CGI that the 21st century has to offer? What does this say about the state of modern "special" effects?


Look at Robocop. The ED-209 stop motion may look dated, but the practical effects by Rob Bottin on Robocop himself are as impressive as ever. An American Werewolf in London is still arguably the best werewolf transformation ever filmed (CGI can seem to get werewolves right), Alien is as breathtaking and terrifying as it ever was, and the full-body shot of the queen in James Cameron's Aliens is more impressive than anything in the prequel trilogy. CGI, when used carefully, is an interesting tool. But that doesn't mean that older effects techniques have no merit. One one hand, filmakers can now create anything that they can imagine. On the other, this means that they might not stop to think outside the box. An excellent review for The Road Warrior that I once read put it best. There is a certain visceral thrill that one can only get by banging two objects together, and CG can't replace that.


That's basically the point I was trying to make with my signature. Except I don't know if you get a visceral thrill seeing Yoda bumping around his little house, but at least he looks like he is actually filling that physical space.

I love The Road Warrior too - can you imagine how crappy it would be done with CGI?


Yes, but Yoda is a fully-fledged character. He exists for the purpose of moving the narrative forward. He has a complete backstory and he develops. Jar-Jar doesn't actually do much, good bad, or indifferent. He's just sort of there. And I'm still waiting for the SE DVD of The Road Warrior. It is unquestionably one of the best action films ever made. That final car chase thrills me no matter how many times I see it, which has been quite a few now.

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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
I don't care what soundtrack they use as long as the lines "Close the blast doors!" and "You're lucky you don't taste very good." are in the movie.

My laserdisc is missing the former line. It makes me sad.


It would be fairly simple to splice in the "Close the blast doors!" line on a DVD backup of your set.

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I just got off the phone with Lucasfilm. The lady that I spoke to there told me that they had had other calls regarding the rumor that the French release would be anamorphic.

"It is 100 percent, completely not true" was her response.
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Good work Andy. Digital Bits also just reported this:

"We've got some more interesting standard DVD news to report today, starting with a follow-up on that French Star Wars DVD controversy we mentioned the other day. We've gotten a follow-up e-mail from our friend Arnaud at DVDRama in France. He's actually had the chance to see, with his own two eyes, the new Star Wars DVDs being released there, and it turns out Fox France was wrong. Someone in marketing over there apparently still doesn't know what anamorphic means. The special edition versions of the films on Disc One of each set are anamorphic, but the original theatrical editions on Disc Two of each are definitely NOT anamorphic. They're just letterboxed widescreen as we expected. Fox France has apparently apologized for the confusion, and we definitely appreciate Arnaud's efforts in confirming the truth of the situation. So to sum up, France is getting the same sub-par Star Wars DVDs as the rest of us. 'Nuff said."
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Vigo, maybe you should retitle this thread, to avoid confusion...
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Originally posted by: THX
Vigo, maybe you should retitle this thread, to avoid confusion...


Done.