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Originally posted by: SKot
Looks like The Digital Bits just confirmed this to be the case at least in France, via an e-mail they received from dvdrama.com.

Let's hope they are planning to follow suit for the rest of the world.

--SKot


Let´s hope they are, indeed, new transfers. Oh boy, somehow, I anticipated this. That close before the release date, something will happen. The quick response from Lucasfilm was the first indication that the negative backlash totally surprised them. I feel there is something cooking this time.
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I will just say it again: there is no reason to believe, or any evidence which shows, that this is a new transfer from a 35mm print. Because unless it is, this news is barely newsworthy. It is most likely just a fake-anamorphic upconversion from the non-anamorphic D1 Laserdisk tape from 1993. So big whop. Lets not get excited here.
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Originally posted by: zombie84
I will just say it again: there is no reason to believe, or any evidence which shows, that this is a new transfer from a 35mm print. Because unless it is, this news is barely newsworthy. It is most likely just a fake-anamorphic upconversion from the non-anamorphic D1 Laserdisk tape from 1993. So big whop. Lets not get excited here.


I think we have a reason to be excited even if your prediction comes true, since it would most probably generate much more negative backlash at Lucasfilm, and that is part of the reason why I think this is either completely nonsense (no anamorphic DVD´s) or they did indeed a new transfer.

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I'm going with the new tranfer vibe - I think this time even Mr Lucas himself has taken note of the backlash...
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What about the rumor that the film was washed last year? Does that hold any evidence to a new transfer?
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I am not giving much credibility to this source at this time but I do think we will get a new transfer, and I smell a trick up someone's sleeve. You know, like the time you told a friend you can't make it to his party just to see the look on his face when you do show up LOL But the thing that bugs me is Lucas can never, ever just be straightforward with his fans and he lies, lies, lies! Why do we all have to play guessing games with the thing we love? Why not just let the fans know they are getting what they wanted from the get-go and let them be excited and happy for once? Imagine if, say, The Beatles operated like this:

"Sgt. Pepper's will never be relased on CD, sorry." The fans are disappointed.

A few years pass...

"Sgt. Pepper's may be relased on CD but it will be a crappy rip from the original recordings. Sorry, no remastering." The fans say, "Why even bother then?!?" and are disappointed yet again.

A few months pass...

On release day it comes out remastered and exactly what the fans wanted. Now what the heck is the point in all of this nonsense?!?!? How many fans do you LOSE along the way with your behavior, Georgie?!?!?!?
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Hmm. I'll wait and see. IF they are "anamorphic", they are almost certainly upscaled from the same '93 letterboxed masters. There's no way a new transfer would be done and then not used for the NTSC edition.
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Originally posted by: ESHBG
"Sgt. Pepper's may be relased on CD but it will be a crappy rip from the original recordings. Sorry, no remastering." The fans say, "Why even bother then?!?" and are disappointed yet again.

A few months pass...
Nineteen years have passed, and we're still waiting for EMI to do justice to The Beatles' catalog.
Those commercial CDs are crappy rips.
That's why guys like Dr. Ebbetts are playing the "X0" role with ultra-high-end turntables and pristine vinyl and getting better results than the official CDs.

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France better not be the only place that is getting the anamorphic transfer. That would be both stupid and gay at the same time. How about a little love for the country that actually made the damn movie, eh George?
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
France better not be the only place that is getting the anamorphic transfer. That would be both stupid and gay at the same time.


Hey - that's France in a nutshell anyway, right?

Just kidding - sorry to my French Star Wars comrades - I couldn't pass up the opportunity.

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I just called Lucasfilm using the number Jay provided on the front page. A guy answered saying he couldn't answer my question (is France getting anamorphic versions?) and that he didn't know who to connect me to that could, since he can only connect using names, not people's positions. When I asked if he could connect me to PR, he said he wasn't sure if they had one.

WTF?

Anyway, that number I called was (415) 662-1800.

A number I was given in the past for the PR department was (415) 623-1962. An answering machine picks up there, confirming that it is Lucasfilm's PR department and that people should leave a message or write an email.

It's like, 2:22 p.m. there right now - not lunchtime. Do you think they switched to automated answering after the first wave of the non-anamorphic debacle?

I am going to try that first number again to see if I get a different person.
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Originally posted by: zombie84
Who cares. Anamorphic schmanamorphic. Its still the 1993 Laserdisk telecine and until they correct this nothing at all has changed.


Optimist that I am, that thought has crossed my mind too. By the same token, it makes little sense at all. Even if the discs are anamorphic, there is still the matter of the master which they are sourced from and the 2.0 and 5.1 tracks. I have, as anyone who has followed my posts knows, been optimistic, but I am also skeptical. Don't get me wrong, if this is an anamorphic release with the proper sound mixes and good picture quality then I'll pay through the nose for it. But you never know. The announcements went from the happy May 4th statement of the release to the well-deserved non-anamorphic/5.1 controversy. This may mean nothing, and and it may pan out to be something very good or very bad. Let us wait and see.

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Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: zombie84
They've just created a fake-anamorphic transfer from the original non-anamorphic telecine. It can be argued that this is even harmful. Until they fix the problem of the 1993 Laserdisk telecine (yes, i know its not a straight transfer) nothing has changed. People get hungup on anamorphic but thats simply a by-product of a larger issue. Now they fix the anamorphic issue with a fake-anamorphic conversion and people forget about the larger problem. Manipulation at its best.


This may be a realistic scenario, BUT: would they be that stupid? They should know that everyone would find out about this, and this would create an even more negative backlash: react to the non-anamorphic issue by providing fake anamorphic transfers, trying to cheaply decieve the fans and the public on an anticipated DVD release.

Please, don´t let them be that stupid. Let this all be an ingenious marketing attempt to stir up interest in the OOT DVD release, and to make GL the winner, who has giving in to the will of he fans.


Lucas may be stubborn, but stupid he most certainly is not. Let's see how this pans out, like I said.

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Originally posted by: Darth Mallwalker
Originally posted by: ESHBG
"Sgt. Pepper's may be relased on CD but it will be a crappy rip from the original recordings. Sorry, no remastering." The fans say, "Why even bother then?!?" and are disappointed yet again.

A few months pass...
Nineteen years have passed, and we're still waiting for EMI to do justice to The Beatles' catalog.
Those commercial CDs are crappy rips.
That's why guys like Dr. Ebbetts are playing the "X0" role with ultra-high-end turntables and pristine vinyl and getting better results than the official CDs.

Yeah right after I posted that I thought, "That was probably a bad example." LOL
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I'm still not going to get excited over this- I'll believe it when I see it. Having said that, though, I imagine they were taken a bit by surprise by the outcry over the non-anamorphic/LD-master situation. LOL

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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
France better not be the only place that is getting the anamorphic transfer. That would be both stupid and gay at the same time. How about a little love for the country that actually made the damn movie, eh George?


hey! maybe it's one of those times when it doesn't suck to live in France! {i'm french ; )} i hope this is the good news we've been waiting for, but i'm still waiting something more "official" and maybe (why not?) some visuals.

and Jenny, don't try being logical with GL; he is everything but logical.

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Originally posted by: Vigo

This may be a realistic scenario, BUT: would they be that stupid?


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I just saw the news on Digital Bits. Maybe they are changing it to anamorphic, but haven't announced it in the states yet.

And they might have changed it not because of fan protest. I think that if Lucasfilm wants to be remembered as a great companyo f special effects and modern technology, they can't have this mark on thier permanent record. They released a movie in non-anamorhpic. For god sakes, I've seen dvd's of not very well known comedians on DVD in anamorphic. Five buck DVD's at wal-mart are anamorphic. Lucasfilm would become a laughing stock if they did this, and it would just show the world how crazy Lucas is. So they made an anamorphic transfer.

If this pertains to the states as well, then I'm extatic. Some of you have just found new things to complain about--no remastering--but I'm content with an anamorphic transfer. My bootlegs look very good (in my book) as it is, so I don't neccesairly need a remastering, though it'd be darn cool to have one. (Though I'd like them to leave in some grain---it makes me remember that this is a film.) And I don't care about a 5.1 track at all. Stereo is fine by me. It'd also be cool for them to include the mono track. (Monty Python and the Holy Grail did it, so why can't Star Wars?)
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
I just saw the news on Digital Bits. Maybe they are changing it to anamorphic, but haven't announced it in the states yet.

And they might have changed it not because of fan protest. I think that if Lucasfilm wants to be remembered as a great companyo f special effects and modern technology, they can't have this mark on thier permanent record. They released a movie in non-anamorhpic. For god sakes, I've seen dvd's of not very well known comedians on DVD in anamorphic. Five buck DVD's at wal-mart are anamorphic. Lucasfilm would become a laughing stock if they did this, and it would just show the world how crazy Lucas is. So they made an anamorphic transfer.

If this pertains to the states as well, then I'm extatic. Some of you have just found new things to complain about--no remastering--but I'm content with an anamorphic transfer. My bootlegs look very good (in my book) as it is, so I don't neccesairly need a remastering, though it'd be darn cool to have one. (Though I'd like them to leave in some grain---it makes me remember that this is a film.) And I don't care about a 5.1 track at all. Stereo is fine by me. It'd also be cool for them to include the mono track. (Monty Python and the Holy Grail did it, so why can't Star Wars?)


Star Wars would be an awesome 5.1 experience. Plus, the 70 mm six-track could become 5.1. It would be an awesome experience. I agree that that the 2.0 and mono should be included, however.

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The 70mm six track mix could not become 5.1 without remixing. It could become 4.1 (kind of). See the various audio threads for why.
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Originally posted by: THX
The 70mm six track mix could not become 5.1 without remixing. It could become 4.1 (kind of). See the various audio threads for why.

Fair point, but look at Criterion's Spartucus DVD or Warner's 2001 disc. With a little work, the OOT could have a killer 5.1 mix befitting the thrilling films. I agree wholeheartedly that the original sound mixes should be included, however, so don't get me wrong! I'd just also like a 5.1 mix (and maybe DTS...).

Five buck DVD's at wal-mart are anamorphic. Lucasfilm would become a laughing stock if they did this, and it would just show the world how crazy Lucas is.


Yes, but remember, Lucas despises the OOT, and considers it a mere rough draft or deleted scene, in spite of the fact the films have deep meaning to billions of people, won several Academy Awards, and altered the face of cinema as we know it. Not to mention that the deleted scenes on most DVDs, including the Star Wars ones, are anamorphic. And the deleted Jar-Jar sequences are also cleaned up after they leave the cutting room floor. It is easy for us to say these things, but we must remember Lucas's attitude towards the OOT, even if we don't like it.

Having said that, though, I imagine they were taken a bit by surprise by the outcry over the non-anamorphic/LD-master situation. LOL


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I could care less about a 5.1 track, 2.0 sounds good enough for me! There is no need for that, as for just an anamorphic treatment, good! I could care less for a remaster, as long as it anamorphic, I can live in nostalgia. This is to be the way we remember them! The only thing that bugged me was the anamorphic thing. If this is all true, for me atleast, my bitching is over! I am getting what I want!
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Originally posted by: Krycek87
I could care less about a 5.1 track, 2.0 sounds good enough for me! There is no need for that, as for just an anamorphic treatment, good! I could care less for a remaster, as long as it anamorphic, I can live in nostalgia. This is to be the way we remember them! The only thing that bugged me was the anamorphic thing. If this is all true, for me atleast, my bitching is over! I am getting what I want!


Perhaps, but I would like a 5.1 mix. If one can be created for the SEs, then one can be made to do justice to the OOT as well. The original mixes should be included, of course. Plus bear in mind, that none of this is confirmed yet and that even if the transfer is anmorphic, there are still other issues to consider.

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