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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
If you guys are giving up on getting a better version, then sure, give up diplomacy.


Thank you for your permission...
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Anything I can do to make you happy.
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Such a good troll....go fuck yourself.
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Now, it's no secret that the OOT is rather loved, especially here. These movies deserved to be released in the best possible way imaginable. Even Gomer agrees with that.


No Cable, I believe Go-Mer does not agree with that. Why? This may seem odd, but I'll just have to quote myself.

Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
If anyone watches South Park, you might remember a very funny epsiode called "All About Mormons." In it, Stan meets the new kid on the block, who is mormon. He goes over to the family's house for dinner, and they are all cheery and laid back and no matter what anyone ever says to them, it bounces right off. They act all passive and happy to make people belive in mormonism (which is the stupidest religion on earth next to scientology.) At the end of the episode, Stan stops being friends with the mormon kid, and the kid tells Stan how great it is to be Mormon and that he has all he ever wants, but Stan can go suck his balls. The other kids think that the mormon kid is cool. So, basically the mormon family is getting South Park to convert to mormonism just by flaunting it all over the place, not telling people to be mormons or being mean to them because they are mormons.

Sound a bit like Go-Mer, doesn't it?

Go-Mer, you have not once told someone off for being an OOT fan, or not liking the prequels. But every time we express our views, you flaunt your love of all things Lucas in our face, just like the mormon family on south park. And then you try and say everyone should be able to have the best version of version of the film they prefer. But you don't really believe it. You're just trying to convert us by acting all calm and cool and trying to make us think being a "saga" fan will make us all happy and cool.


If you still don't get it, Go-Mer just pretends to care about the OOT preservation. He acts like he's on our side, while at the other time singing the praises of Lucas. These things totally contradict each other, and he tries to pass that off by saying he respects everyone's opinions. And he's never outright put down someone for liking the OOT, but that is his strategy. And with each and every last post he makes he is proving my point.
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Go-Mer just pretends to care about the OOT preservation. He acts like he's on our side, while at the other time singing the praises of Lucas. These things totally contradict each other, and he tries to pass that off by saying he respects everyone's opinions. And he's never outright put down someone for liking the OOT, but that is his strategy.


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If Lucas were to keep up the O-OT in the same quality he is keeping his updated versions, then wouldn't you guys be all good with whatever he wanted to do with his updated versions?

That's what I would like to see happen. I'd like to see all of us be able to enjoy however much of Star Wars we like, without all the negativity.

I'd really like to see all of the SW fans back together again.

It's just before this rift, all SW fans were pretty much on the same page. We all had our different opinions, but basically we all respected each other as SW fans.

Now there is this huge rift, some have drawn lines in the ground like in one of those bad sitcoms where 2 people have to share the same room but can't stand each other. We painted a line down the middle and call one side the basher side, and the other the gusher side.

I'd just like to get us all back to a point where it's just a bunch of Star Wars fans with diverse tastes.
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Well, to tell the truth: I would have been very happy if the german audio track of the limited edition's OOT version of ANH would not be missing quite a chunk of dialogue. I have phoned 2oth century fox and they said I should get a substitution at my local retailer, which I did (it had the same flaws). Then they told me to send a request to a certain fox e-mail adress - I haven't gotten an answer it's been more than 3 weeks now.

My problem is not what George Lucas does as an artist. My problem is, what George Lucas doesn't do because he is too cheap to go all the way in terms of quality. It's not a matter of "I don't like this artistic change to the special edition" or "I don't like the story arc of the prequels", it's just a matter of inferior quality on a purely technical level that aggravates me the most.

It simply doesn't matter anymore what versions you prefer when it comes to the OT - neither the 2004 editions, nor the limited edition "bonus discs" represent the technical level of quality that is standard nowadays.

All I wish for, is a _technically unflawed_ product from Lucasfilm when it comes to the OOT _and_ the special editions.
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Wow, I didn't know about the german audio issue. I agree about the current DVD's available. The 2004 SE has audio issues I would like to see fixes as well.

I think the thing is, he was going to wait until he could get everything just right, but the combination of us begging him to do it sooner than later, and his advisors telling him there might not be a DVD market by the time he was ready led to the 2004 release.

I think that this box set next year, assuming it's his archival version and not another stop gap (which who knows at this point) will have everything tweaked out properly. It's just a guess on my part, but I too have noticed the level of "good enough" going on not only with the 2004 DVD release, but with the prequels as well.

Many of you probably know about how John Williams scored his music for the prequels before Lucas was done editing them. As a result much of his music was re-cut (not always with the smoothest of edits) and in AOTC and ROTS, there are actually music tracks lifted from previous films. I get the impression that Lucas figured, screw it I don't have time now to have Williams re-do this, but I'll have him smooth everything out once I'm more finished.

This is all speculation on my part, but would you guys be happy if the 30th anneversary box set aleviated all of our concerns?

I keep hoping that next year is the year we can repair the rift in our fandom.
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As I said: I would already have been happy with the limited edition "bonus discs", would it not have been for the technically flawed german audio track of anh - everything would have been settled for me. At this point I don't really care anymore if Lucas takes me serious as a fan, but at least I want to be taken serious as a customer. If that'll happen one day and he stops playing "screw the customer" he can go on playing "screw the fan" through his frankensteining with the films all he wants, I'll be fine with that since I'll have a choice which of his gadzillion incarnations of his "final vision" I want to watch.

Seeing how things are handled by 2oth century fox here in germany, I'm not getting my hopes up for 2007. We'll have to wait and see, I guess.
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I would bet money on the fact that this is the only OOT release on DVD, and possiblly hi-def. He won't put the OOT in the 30th anniversary set because that would bring down his overall "vision." His reasoning will be that for the 30th anniversary he had to make the films "perfect" and because of that the OOT can't be present. Also, its the perfect "Fuck You" to the OOT to not include it in the set that celbrates its 30th anniversary. It's like having a birthday part for someone without allowing them to come, which is exactly how Lucas treats the OOT. He did this release a few months before the archival set so that he could throw a bone to the OOT fans before the big set comes out. The release date of the OOT DVD alone is proof he won't be releasing it with the 30th anniversary.
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That'd be terribly disrespectful to the originals,


so yes it will happen...
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
He won't put the OOT in the 30th anniversary set because that would bring down his overall "vision." His reasoning will be that for the 30th anniversary he had to make the films "perfect" and because of that the OOT can't be present.


Personally, I think that while he may have been slagging off the fans for a while, his behaviour in some recent interviews shows to me that there is at least some slim hope of him realizing how much the vocal fans mean to the franchise. He may not be totally committed to restoring the original trilogy, but I believe that he understands where the fans are coming from. It should have been obvious to him from the first time fan edits of Episode I started showing up.
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Oh, he understands alright. But his hatred for the OOT is so thick that it will defy all reason, even the oodles of cash he could make.
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If Lucas were to keep up the O-OT in the same quality he is keeping his updated versions, then wouldn't you guys be all good with whatever he wanted to do with his updated versions?


If you'd just listened to what we said, you would've read that that's really all we want. Just for him to treat the OT versions with the same respect as the FUOT (Fucked-Up Original Trilogy). If he'd just release both versions in the highest possible quality, half the threads in this section wouldn't even be here.

Although really, the FUOT dvds aren't exactly a benchmark of quality either. They've got plenty of technical issues of their own.

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I just thought of another acronym. FOOT (Fucked Over Original Trilogy).

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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
If Lucas were to keep up the O-OT in the same quality he is keeping his updated versions, then wouldn't you guys be all good with whatever he wanted to do with his updated versions?


If you'd just listened to what we said, you would've read that that's really all we want. Just for him to treat the OT versions with the same respect as the FUOT (Fucked-Up Original Trilogy). If he'd just release both versions in the highest possible quality, half the threads in this section wouldn't even be here.

Although really, the FUOT dvds aren't exactly a benchmark of quality either. They've got plenty of technical issues of their own.
I have been listening, which is why I asked that to be sure. I was just saying that's the real issue here. All this other crap about how Lucas sucks on every other level is really unrelated to the desires most have here. I think the negativity overkill is only going to serve to allow Lucas to sit back and say: "Screw those negative bastards, they can make their own O-OT anamorphic transfer if it's so important to them."

Respect is a two way street, and you can't even begin to say Lucas is worse. All he did was refuse to re-release an older cut of one of his moives. Whenever he has talked about the fans who don't like things he does, he always talks about us with respect. Talking about how imaginative we are and how much we like to think outside of the box. He compliments our difference of opinion and just adds: but it's my movie so I get to say how it goes.

To me he's taking the higher road than a lot of us are.
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No Cable, I believe Go-Mer does not agree with that. Why? This may seem odd, but I'll just have to quote myself.


I got ya, Darth_Evil.....Gomer is a little shit. Notice how he always dodges my insults?

He still hasn't addressed my question though....Why is he coming here and sprouting his queer Lucas love when he knows it's generally unpopular here? If he thinks he's being noble for trying to get up to stop disliking Lucas, then he's a total idiot. He just keeps his little passive aggressive debating going and trys to get everyone riled. We're negative...yeah.....we insult Lucas every now and then, yeah....but there's no hate and anger here like he says. What I see is frustration among some fans...that's all.

I seriously think we need to get Zion in here to look at his postings. He keeps the threads going in circles with his crap. Notice how he doesn't post in any other thread but this one and another. Interesting that those two threads have basically taken the same tone...such a sad loser....
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All this other crap about how Lucas sucks on every other level is really unrelated to the desires most have here.

Bullshit!!! It's totally related. The man is not what he used to be. He's fucked in the head and that's what's keeping the OOT from getting the respect it deserves. It's the man's state of mind now that's causing this.

If you can't see that, you're blind. That's as clear as daylight, asshole.

To me he's taking the higher road than a lot of us are.


Sure he is....he sounds a lot like you....full of shit.
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And you sound like you're full of sunshine and happiness.

Lucas hasn't changed, he has always been very stubborn about his vision. It's what motivated him to tell Hollywood to go screw itself and make his own Hollywood.

I have been answering you, you just think I'm full of shit. It's a sublte difference.

I come here talking about the things I love about Lucas and the SE's and the Prequels, in the off chance it makes any of you feel better about them. I am certainly under no delusions that I can work miracles, but at least I will feel I have given it a shot.

I really would like to see all Star Wars fans as happy as they can be, which is why I am all for getting the O-OT released in as good a quality as the newer editions.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
And you sound like you're full of sunshine and happiness.

Just came off of four cloudy and rainy days here in the Windy City....I'm feeling quite good, thank you.


Lucas hasn't changed, he has always been very stubborn about his vision. It's what motivated him to tell Hollywood to go screw itself and make his own Hollywood.

Yes he has. Quit jizzing all over your Lucas shrine. It's great that he told Hollywood off, but it's now working against him. He's so wrapped up in doing it his way that he doens't realize he's lost his way.

I have been answering you, you just think I'm full of shit. It's a sublte difference.


No, you haven't. You know it's unpopular here to say your dumb shit, yet you keep doing. I question why you do it and you give some bullshit that you "care" about all SW fans. Why don't you just get the hell out of here and fuck fuck Lucas in the ass since you love him so much?


I come here talking about the things I love about Lucas and the SE's and the Prequels, in the off chance it makes any of you feel better about them. I am certainly under no delusions that I can work miracles, but at least I will feel I have given it a shot.


It doesn't make anyone here feel better. We don't care how much you love the prequels. You aren't going to change any minds here.



I really would like to see all Star Wars fans as happy as they can be, which is why I am all for getting the O-OT released in as good a quality as the newer editions.


No, you don't. You're here just to start shit. You've done it on other threads and on other boards.

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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Lucas hasn't changed, he has always been very stubborn about his vision. It's what motivated him to tell Hollywood to go screw itself and make his own Hollywood. Yes he has. Quit jizzing all over your Lucas shrine. It's great that he told Hollywood off, but it's now working against him. He's so wrapped up in doing it his way that he doens't realize he's lost his way. It's working fine for him, the only ones who he is "working against" are the people who don't like what he's doing.
Originally posted by: Cable-X1
I have been answering you, you just think I'm full of shit. It's a sublte difference. No, you haven't. You know it's unpopular here to say your dumb shit, yet you keep doing. I question why you do it and you give some bullshit that you "care" about all SW fans. Why don't you just get the hell out of here and fuck fuck Lucas in the ass since you love him so much? Mostly because of the restraining order. Seriously, wake me up when you graduate to "Why don't you marry Lucas" zingers.Originally posted by: Cable-X1I come here talking about the things I love about Lucas and the SE's and the Prequels, in the off chance it makes any of you feel better about them. I am certainly under no delusions that I can work miracles, but at least I will feel I have given it a shot.
It doesn't make anyone here feel better. We don't care how much you love the prequels. You aren't going to change any minds here.
It's still worth a shot to me.Originally posted by: Cable-X1I really would like to see all Star Wars fans as happy as they can be, which is why I am all for getting the O-OT released in as good a quality as the newer editions.
No, you don't. You're here just to start shit. You've done it on other threads and on other boards.
Yes I do. I realize that some of you have anger management issues, but that's no reason to give up on the more reasonable people here who actually don't mind considering other points of view.
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HAH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



This is too funny!!! You fight the cause, Gomer!!! Let me know when you get somewhere.....

...ultimately, Gomer.....everything you say about the PT, SE, OT or whatever comes down to one thing....

....it's a matter of opinion....and I don't give a fuck about yours.

Like what you want, think what you want. It doesn't mean a fuck all to me...I'm outta here. Boring trolls are the worst...and you are the lamest and most boring I have ever witnessed.

yawn

Ciao.
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I've sent a PM to Zion requesting that this thread be locked since it's way off topic.

Toodles.