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"Miss you, I will, Original Trilogy..."
"Your midichlorians are weak, Old man." -Darth Vader 2007 super deluxe extra special dipped in chocolate sauce edition.
http://prequelsstink.ytmnd.com/
For me...it all came out in the end... — Page 5
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"Miss you, I will, Original Trilogy..."
"Your midichlorians are weak, Old man." -Darth Vader 2007 super deluxe extra special dipped in chocolate sauce edition.
http://prequelsstink.ytmnd.com/
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Originally when I made that thread, I was having a hard time formatting the whole thing right, so I made a template that had the code for a picture link, followed by SE is better, which I copied over and over and just changed the picture name in each one, meaning to go back and edit more detail in later. Of course people got upset right away, and I was told not to continue with my list.
I was just pretty happy with all of the updates the official site listed, and was just trying to show that there was some good stuff done in the SE's. Not all of it was screwing with Han's character, or slighting Sebastian Shaw.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I'll be happier when you have it in the format you would prefer.
I'll be happier when you have it in the format you would prefer.
You have absoultely no right to say it after trolling these boards for the past month. Let me elaborate.
If anyone watches South Park, you might remember a very funny epsiode called "All About Mormons." In it, Stan meets the new kid on the block, who is mormon. He goes over to the family's house for dinner, and they are all cheery and laid back and no matter what anyone ever says to them, it bounces right off. They act all passive and happy to make people belive in mormonism (which is the stupidest religion on earth next to scientology.) At the end of the episode, Stan stops being friends with the mormon kid, and the kid tells Stan how great it is to be Mormon and that he has all he ever wants, but Stan can go suck his balls. The other kids think that the mormon kid is cool. So, basically the mormon family is getting South Park to convert to mormonism just by flaunting it all over the place, not telling people to be mormons or being mean to them because they are mormons.
Sound a bit like Go-Mer, doesn't it?
Go-Mer, you have not once told someone off for being an OOT fan, or not liking the prequels. But every time we express our views, you flaunt your love of all things Lucas in our face, just like the mormon family on south park. And then you try and say everyone should be able to have the best version of version of the film they prefer. But you don't really believe it. You're just trying to convert us by acting all calm and cool and trying to make us think being a "saga" fan will make us all happy and cool.
But we're not as stupid as the residents of South Park. We don't convert. So just go away.
You can also access the entire Horriffic Violence Theater Series from my Channel Page.
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I trust you guys to be able to come to your own conclusions.
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C'mon Go-Mer, keep proving me right. I love it. Just say you're a troll. It's a lot easier than you proving me right with each and every point.
You can also access the entire Horriffic Violence Theater Series from my Channel Page.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I trust you guys to be able to come to your own conclusions.
I trust you guys to be able to come to your own conclusions.
Then please, whenever someone says they have opinion A, you don't have to directly reply to them and remind us that you have an opposite opinion. You rarely say anything constructive with this style of reply and they're very repetitive. I mean, sure, I understand that you have endless confidence in your viewpoints, and that you love to feel self-righteous in your ability to post a disagreement in reply to everything you don’t like, but contests between whoever can repeat their opinion the most are boring and stupid. Try exploring the viewpoints of other people before you begin attacking it with one of your contradicting statements. Also, you can occasionally try offering reasons for your own viewpoint instead of simply stating unsupported opinions, over and over again. Simply because you can state your point of view does not make it automatically true.
For instance: Someone posts the opinion that the original trilogy had less obvious statements from its characters when compared to the prequel trilogy. Instead of simply saying “they both have the same amount,” put an “I believe” or “I think” before that statement. Then, instead of leaving your rebuttal at that basic statement, try asking what the first person meant by what he said. You can also try exploring the other person’s point of view on your own; play devil’s advocate with yourself and try to see their point of view. You might find it fun. Based on the amount of posting you engage in, you should have the time to utilize these discussion techniques (I'm not sure why you don't). I would hope you prefer discussions with people before teasing them in passive ways.
"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself. It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005
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For my suggestions on how to deal with Gomer...check this thread out.
I'd love to get this thread back on topic somehow....but there really isn't much to discuss. I trashed the disks and made some points about why I did it.
I wonder if anyone at LFL has seen my OP. Wonder if that would make the rounds there as a joke....
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I'd love to know to office politics at LFL......that would be great to hear....
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Lucas: I think we should have Jar-Jar in the live action TV show... But let's run it by the office Lucas/McCallum naysayer.
L/M Naysayer: No I don't like it, he has no weapons, you can't possibly...
Lucas: Perfect, continue with the operation, you may insert Jar-Jar when ready.
Seriously Jim Ward for one has always been about getting the O-OT on DVD. As I understand it, it's mostly because of his lobbying that Lucas finally relented for the September release. And I think McCallum, while supportive of Lucas' revised vision would also just like to see all the fans happy.
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I feel like I'm watching a book burning in Salem while I'm tied to a dunking torture device.
Since when were there book burnings in Salem? Were the Puritans also Nazis or something?
Tomatometer Scores for Original Trilogy During Original Release Dates:
31% - Return of the Jedi
52% - The Empire Strikes Back
79% - Star Wars
Average Tomatometer: 54%
Since when were there book burnings in Salem? Were the Puritans also Nazis or something?
Tomatometer Scores for Original Trilogy During Original Release Dates:
31% - Return of the Jedi
52% - The Empire Strikes Back
79% - Star Wars
Average Tomatometer: 54%
So you're saying that RottenTomatoes.com has been around since 1977?
I chuckle.
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Can it please be closed?
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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
So you're saying that RottenTomatoes.com has been around since 1977?
I chuckle.
I feel like I'm watching a book burning in Salem while I'm tied to a dunking torture device.
Since when were there book burnings in Salem? Were the Puritans also Nazis or something?
Tomatometer Scores for Original Trilogy During Original Release Dates:
31% - Return of the Jedi
52% - The Empire Strikes Back
79% - Star Wars
Average Tomatometer: 54%
Since when were there book burnings in Salem? Were the Puritans also Nazis or something?
Tomatometer Scores for Original Trilogy During Original Release Dates:
31% - Return of the Jedi
52% - The Empire Strikes Back
79% - Star Wars
Average Tomatometer: 54%
So you're saying that RottenTomatoes.com has been around since 1977?
I chuckle.
They started out by noticing that with their current active critics on Rotten Tomatoes, the OT handily beats the PT.
A lot of people were complaining that those figures were taking reviews of the OT from 97 (the SE release) and comparing them to reviews for the PT as they were first released.
So they went and did all kinds of research to dig up past reviews for the OT that were written around the time of those film's original releases, and it turns out there were a much higher percentage of unfavorable reviews back then compared to 20 years later.
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Although Roger Ebert even gave AOTC 2 stars.
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Here is the full article I linked to.
Senh Duong writes: "The results are not what one might expect, based on reviews collected during the time of each trilogy’s original release dates.
Based on current active critics though, the results are as expected. The average Tomatometer of the original trilogy handily beats the prequels by 20% -- 90% to 70%, respectively.
Prequels Tomatometer Scores Based on Current Active Critics:
83% - Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
65% - Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones
62% - Star wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
Average Tomatometer: 70%
Original Trilogy Tomatometer Scores Based on Current Active Critics:
80% - Return of the Jedi
98% - The Empire Strikes Back
93% - Star Wars
Average Tomatometer: 90%
However, as user ‘Knelt’ noted in our News section, it’s not fair to compare the two trilogies based mostly on current active critics because most of them saw “the original films as children, and are reviewing them based on nostalgic memories as well as judging them on established ‘classic’ status.”
When “Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace” was released in 1999, a group of us actually went to our local library and dug up a sampling of available sources that reviewed the original trilogy during the time of their respective release dates in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Because those reviews weren’t available online, we OCR-ed them and put them on the web, breaking all kinds of copyright laws in the process. We were quite the rebels back then. However, when we legitimized the company months later, those reviews were the first to go. Thanks to Archive.org, a site that archives the web pages, the quotes are still there but the full text reviews are gone. The results are actually quite surprising.
Tomatometer Scores for Original Trilogy During Original Release Dates:
(Click on the links for the archived quotes from Archive.org)
31% - Return of the Jedi
52% - The Empire Strikes Back
79% - Star Wars
Average Tomatometer: 54%
As one can see, only “Star Wars” managed to be Fresh, with a respectable 79% on the Tomatometer, while the other two sequels got successively worse. Most of the critics thought the first film was an inventive, fun, and entertaining summer popcorn movie. It’s interesting that they complain about the dialogue back then too. “Empire,” which is regarded as the best of the series nowadays, only managed to score a mixed 52%. It received great technical grades, but critics had problems with the plot, one way or other, and thought it was just “minor entertainment.” It got worse with “Jedi” – uneven pacing, no character development, tired acting, and hollow and junky filmmaking. It scored a moldy 30% on the Tomatometer. Prequels were probably the last thing critics wanted back then after the thrashing of the last film.
Ironically, if you compare the average Tomatometer of the prequels and the original trilogies during the time of their respective original release dates, the Prequels are actually better reviewed by 16% -- 70% to 54%, respectively!
Tomatometer Ranking of Star Wars Series Based on Critical Reaction During Original Release Dates:
83% - Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
79% - Star Wars
65% - Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones
62% - Star wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
52% - The Empire Strikes Back
31% - Return of the Jedi"
Based on current active critics though, the results are as expected. The average Tomatometer of the original trilogy handily beats the prequels by 20% -- 90% to 70%, respectively.
Prequels Tomatometer Scores Based on Current Active Critics:
83% - Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
65% - Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones
62% - Star wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
Average Tomatometer: 70%
Original Trilogy Tomatometer Scores Based on Current Active Critics:
80% - Return of the Jedi
98% - The Empire Strikes Back
93% - Star Wars
Average Tomatometer: 90%
However, as user ‘Knelt’ noted in our News section, it’s not fair to compare the two trilogies based mostly on current active critics because most of them saw “the original films as children, and are reviewing them based on nostalgic memories as well as judging them on established ‘classic’ status.”
When “Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace” was released in 1999, a group of us actually went to our local library and dug up a sampling of available sources that reviewed the original trilogy during the time of their respective release dates in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Because those reviews weren’t available online, we OCR-ed them and put them on the web, breaking all kinds of copyright laws in the process. We were quite the rebels back then. However, when we legitimized the company months later, those reviews were the first to go. Thanks to Archive.org, a site that archives the web pages, the quotes are still there but the full text reviews are gone. The results are actually quite surprising.
Tomatometer Scores for Original Trilogy During Original Release Dates:
(Click on the links for the archived quotes from Archive.org)
31% - Return of the Jedi
52% - The Empire Strikes Back
79% - Star Wars
Average Tomatometer: 54%
As one can see, only “Star Wars” managed to be Fresh, with a respectable 79% on the Tomatometer, while the other two sequels got successively worse. Most of the critics thought the first film was an inventive, fun, and entertaining summer popcorn movie. It’s interesting that they complain about the dialogue back then too. “Empire,” which is regarded as the best of the series nowadays, only managed to score a mixed 52%. It received great technical grades, but critics had problems with the plot, one way or other, and thought it was just “minor entertainment.” It got worse with “Jedi” – uneven pacing, no character development, tired acting, and hollow and junky filmmaking. It scored a moldy 30% on the Tomatometer. Prequels were probably the last thing critics wanted back then after the thrashing of the last film.
Ironically, if you compare the average Tomatometer of the prequels and the original trilogies during the time of their respective original release dates, the Prequels are actually better reviewed by 16% -- 70% to 54%, respectively!
Tomatometer Ranking of Star Wars Series Based on Critical Reaction During Original Release Dates:
83% - Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
79% - Star Wars
65% - Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones
62% - Star wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
52% - The Empire Strikes Back
31% - Return of the Jedi"
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Now, Gomer keeps up with his shit about us being negative. He's entitled to see it however he wants it, whether it be anger or hate or whatever. I will attempt to explain it.
The original versions are treated like shit. Lucas doesn't like them and refused to release them. He finally did, which is great, but he released them in sub-standard quality. Now, it's no secret that the OOT is rather loved, especially here. These movies deserved to be released in the best possible way imaginable. Even Gomer agrees with that.
What we're angry about is that the movies have been treated poorly by the creator and he has no right to do that, regardless of how he feels about them. They're what was embedded into the popular consciousness of the time. They deserve to be preserved. No ifs, ands or buts about it.
If you can't understand that Gomer, then fuck you. There's a lot of emotion here cuz these movies are part of a lot of childhood memories and people don't like that to be fucked with. I'm not going to get into the whole significance of the OOT from a historical point of view, but let's just say they should be preserved for historical means cuz they did change filmmaking and that's the other major reason.
Bottom line....we're a bit emotional here cuz the movies we love are not being treated with some dignity and respect.
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Haven't heard from him in a while.....maybe he got laid or something...
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The reason I speak out about the negativity, is because while I think it would be the right thing to do for Lucas to produce a newly remastered anamorphic print of the O-OT, I don't think he is required to do it. In other words, it really is up to him.
That said, I think the best way to get him to reconsider this whole thing is by keeping the frustration and the anger focussed on the true goal, preserving the versions of the films we feel have historical and sentimental signifigance. When it spills over to literally demonize Lucas on all levels, and turns into a constant: "Lucas Sucks" slant to everything, that's not going to be taken as seriously as if you guys were more along the lines of: I don't mind Lucas altering his films, as long as we get the originals too.
Most of you I think are of that train of thought, and a lot of the "hate" or "negativity" I see here is probably mostly all the result of feeling slighted by Lucas over the release of the O-OT.
I'm not trying to tell you to stop speaking your mind at all, I just think it could be handled in a more diplomatic fashion that could cause Lucas to turn around and say: "Wow, maybe I have been a bit selfish in not releasing the originals in a proper format", instead of "Screw these hateful, negative bastards".
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I totally disagree with you....I'd say we've been patient and tried to play it right. Jay made a mature and legitimate petition to get those movie released.....who the fuck knew we had to specify that we get anamorphic and full restoration releases?!?!?!
I think we are perfectly within reason to start calling Lucas whatever we want. We've been fucked, plain and simple.
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I think we need to at least aknowledge that this release wasn't a "fuck you" to O-OT enthusasts, it was the least he could do.
And I still don't see why playing it right would go out of style even if Lucas had a message in front of the bonus disc feature that said: Fuck you O-OT fans!". You only make him look better by being so negative and angry, because other people will see that and be like: I wouldn't give them what they want either".
You know what I mean?
In the end you should express yourselves the way you think you should, I just think that to acheive your goal, it pays to be more diplomatic about it.
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I don't feel the need to be nice, dude.....nor am I going to kiss Lucas' ass for something he should have released right in the first place.
You can suck his cock all you want, Gomer.....don't think for a second that we should.
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