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Finally Got Rid of My 2004 DVD's...

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My younger cousins were over today, and they love Star Wars. They like the prequel trilogy more ("it has all the action") and don't understand my views of hating 1, 2, and 3. But they love the original films too, and hadn't seen them in a few years, as they don't own them and thier local video store doesn't supply the rental. Well, I haven't watched the 2004 DVD's since I got my bootlegs, so I figured, why don't I give them to my cousins? They were thrilled when I handed them over, and not only to I no longer have to devote my shelf space to the 2004 versions, I know I made my cousins happy.

BTW, I kept the bonus disk and the box. The bootlegs are now in the box along with the bonus disc.
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
BTW, I kept the bonus disk and the box. The bootlegs are now in the box along with the bonus disc.


That's what I've been trying to do. Planning to fill them up with Darth Editous' cuts... I just can't watch the new Jabba scene or the ROTJ ending again. Everytime I want to watch SW I remember little moments like that and lose all desire to watch them. I'll be glad to be rid of them.

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I'm considering doing the same thing . . . my best friend has been in Germany studying abroad for almost a year now, and he likes Star Wars plenty but doesn't mind the special editions. The '04 set might make a good welcome-back present, and I won't miss it because I'll just get them back in the September release anyway.

I do like the silver and black packaging it came in, though. Putting better, original version copies in that box might be the way to go, I can't decide. lol
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Originally posted by: hairy_hen
I'm considering doing the same thing . . . my best friend has been in Germany studying abroad for almost a year now, and he likes Star Wars plenty but doesn't mind the special editions. The '04 set might make a good welcome-back present, and I won't miss it because I'll just get them back in the September release anyway.

I do like the silver and black packaging it came in, though. Putting better, original version copies in that box might be the way to go, I can't decide. lol

Why don't you just give him the 2004 DVDs and keep the box for yourself for the OT DVDs?

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It has all the action


ROTJ has more action than any of the PT films.

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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
I was mocking what they said. It's not my personal opinion.


Do you hate ROTJ? Many people do.

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Good idea Mielr then you can put the OOT in there !!! I really like ROTJ its where the greatest trilogy ends!!

You have a sister ?? I wanna be a jedi like my father great stuff
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Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
I was mocking what they said. It's not my personal opinion.


Do you hate ROTJ? Many people do.


I'm afraid I'm not getting you're question. I don't believe I ever even mentioned ROTJ in my posts. All I said was that my cousins, like most kids, think the PT is much more exciting than the OT. Kids are impressed by flashy lights and crappy CGI, after all. I never once mentioned ROTJ. Anyway, I don't hate ROTJ, not at all. It may not be as good as the first two, but is still a great film.
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Well if we where them we would be saying the same
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
I was mocking what they said. It's not my personal opinion.


Do you hate ROTJ? Many people do.


I'm afraid I'm not getting you're question. I don't believe I ever even mentioned ROTJ in my posts. All I said was that my cousins, like most kids, think the PT is much more exciting than the OT. Kids are impressed by flashy lights and crappy CGI, after all. I never once mentioned ROTJ. Anyway, I don't hate ROTJ, not at all. It may not be as good as the first two, but is still a great film.


I was just curious, that's all. I was also surprised. The Battles of Yavin and Hoth, the Luke/Vader duels, the Death Star sequence, etc. Those are, to me, exhilarating sequences. I was just curious that's all. I mean no offense. There is, by the way, a campaign to send the SE discs back to Lucas, just FYI

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Yeah, I know about the campaign. I was going to send back the discs of the spetember releases though.

Anyway, you're right that many of the sequences in the OT are very exciting. Sadly, most children are impressed by Jar-Jar fighting robots, which is apparently the new kind of action.

And I think a true fan of Star War would say that Luke VS. Vader in ESB is much more exciting than Anakin VS ObiWan in ROTS, right? That was so over the top it was laughable.
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Yeah, I know about the campaign. I was going to send back the discs of the spetember releases though.

Anyway, you're right that many of the sequences in the OT are very exciting. Sadly, most children are impressed by Jar-Jar fighting robots, which is apparently the new kind of action.

And I think a true fan of Star War would say that Luke VS. Vader in ESB is much more exciting than Anakin VS ObiWan in ROTS, right? That was so over the top it was laughable.


I thought that sequence was reasonably well thought out, it was just that they kept talking ("From point of the view the Jedi are evil!" Will you just shut up and fight?). The idea for the big, climactic duel was impressive (as comared to Luke and Vader's more intimate battles), but, as with the rest of the PT, the execution left something to be desired, and Anikan's jump and Obi-wan's slice struck me as incredibly anti-climactic. Again, I apologize if seem like I was attacking you or something. I meant to no offense! It's good that you're sending the discs back. The battle with Lucas isn't over yet, apparently.

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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil

And I think a true fan of Star War would say that Luke VS. Vader in ESB is much more exciting than Anakin VS ObiWan in ROTS, right? That was so over the top it was laughable.
A million times more exciting- I've seen ESB a hundred times and the duel is still exciting and suspenseful. Even the Luke/Vader battle in ROTJ (while a different kind of battle, with Luke trying to resist and all) was more exciting than ANY of the prequel duels.

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Originally posted by: Mike O

I thought that sequence was reasonably well thought out, it was just that they kept talking ("From point of the view the Jedi are evil!" Will you just shut up and fight?). The idea for the big, climactic duel was impressive (as comared to Luke and Vader's more intimate battles), but, as with the rest of the PT, the execution left something to be desired, and Anikan's jump and Obi-wan's slice struck me as incredibly anti-climactic. Again, I apologize if seem like I was attacking you or something. I meant to no offense! It's good that you're sending the discs back. The battle with Lucas isn't over yet, apparently.


Geez, the talking was the best part of that fight. Like DE said, the fight became so over the top it was laughable. Having a giant catwalk thing fall into the lava and fight on that. Come inches to the lava fighting on droids and pieces of metal and never get burned, but end up on the banks, and your entire body catched on fire? No, the dialogue was actually good!

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I didn't like any of the fighting in the PT. Looked... goofy. And it was boring. They kept twirling around... I thought these guys were supposd to be more like samurai and less like colorguards. In the OT you can have an extended battle scene that works. Because, although it's a sci-fi/fantasy movie, it focuses on the realistic part of it. You can actually imagine that this might be possible. And the people fighting are all real people, not just mindless clones and silly robots. PT just goes over-the-top with Jedi superpowers. All the fights are to... over-stylized. And 80 year old men shouldn't be doing flips, no matter how powerful they are. It's silly looking.

Anyway, back to the lava planet, I was reading on theforce.net that a bunch of people thought ROTJ should end at the same place, right back on the lava beach. And the Vader should die the same way he was "born". Thereby proving that they're all idiots.
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Especially since Vader was "born" long before he was burned.

But, yeah, the fact that he has Dooku doing flips totally negates his statement about, "The original lightsaber fight isn't as good because it's a machine man versus an old man." Riiiight. So, yeah, both Dooku and Grievous ruin his statement, even though I personally found nothing bad about any of the OT fights.

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It's so silly how Vader lost all his limbs. I saw it with my family (4 of us) and only 2 saw what happened. How long had they been building up to that moment? It just made no sense. Vader became a machine man because he was stupid? Yeah right.

Anakin in the PT never felt like he would be the man in the suit. Not once. I never felt a Vader vibe from him. And why didn't he have a reb saber in the final fight? Color contrast with the lava I suppose, but isn't the mark of a sith a red saber?
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Well, for one thing, I don't think he had the time to construct a new one. Also, how else would Obi-Wan have gotten his hands on it to give to Luke (which they almost forgot to film, by the way) had he not picked it up from the fight?

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The final battle's dialogue and Anakin's legs getting sliced were the best part of that duel. The problem, I believe, was how those two elements were executed in a cinematic sense. They lacked a logical timing and the emotional impact was missing completely. (Plus, having so much implausible nonsense surrounding them didn't help.) The leg scene itself felt abrupt and gratuitous in the way it was presented. It felt more like a moment to be observed and nothing else (oh, it seems his legs got cut off). Sadly, even the part with Anakin crawling on the ground was somewhat poorly executed and that was easilly the most moving scene in the PT.

Oh, and I agree about the old-men-and-inexperienced-warriors comment by Lucas. That's bugged me for a long time now. He completely negated his own reasoning in episodes two and three.

All in all though, I did like the lightsaber duels in TPM all around. They were a bit too flashy, sure, but the feeling of intensity present within them was fantastic. The final duel in that movie made the Sith seem very threatening (too bad the scene where Obiwan sliced him in half seemed so cartoony). I believe Darth Maul was a pretty sweet villain despite not being explored as a substantial character (as he should have been).

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Originally posted by: Tiptup

Oh, and I agree about the old-men-and-inexperienced-warriors comment by Lucas. That's bugged me for a long time now. He completely negated his own reasoning in episodes two and three.

All in all though, I did like the lightsaber duels in TPM all around. They were a bit too flashy, sure, but the feeling of intensity present within them was fantastic. The final duel in that movie made the Sith seem very threatening (too bad the scene where Obiwan sliced him in half seemed so cartoony). I believe Darth Maul was a pretty sweet villain despite not being explored as a substantial character (as he should have been).


I agree with both of those statements. The TPM Duel was the best part of the entire PT as far as I’m concerned despite the fact that it went a little overboard.

Dooku and GG totally negate George’s rationale for the Duel on the Original Death Star. Then again most of the PT seems to go to great lengths to negate elements of the OT.

I didn’t like anything about the ROTS Duel between Anakin and Ben. The early dialog was destroyed by GL’s inept attempt at an insult of George W, “Only Sith deal in absolutes.” What a load of crap. I guess Yoda was a Sith when he said, “Do or do not, there is no try.” The late dialog was destroyed by Ben’s “I have the high ground” statement. Did the high ground matter when Obi-Wan killed Darth Maul? I won’t even go into the actual Lightsaber duel and how difficult it made it for me to maintain my suspension of disbelief. I think the music was probably the only thing that was close to right in that sequence.


Congratulations to Darth_Evil; that is probably the most generous way to discard a load of tripe that I’ve ever heard of. I hope your cousins enjoy themselves.
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I believe Darth Maul was a pretty sweet villain despite not being explored as a substantial character (as he should have been).

Looking at the marketing campaign back in 1999, you'd have thought that Mace Windu, Anikan, and Darth Maul were the main characters.

Congratulations to Darth_Evil; that is probably the most generous way to discard a load of tripe that I’ve ever heard of. I hope your cousins enjoy themselves.


Are you sending the discs back to Lucas?

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Um... read the first post of this thread.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Load of tripe? They prefer the special editions you moron. Just read my post. I gave them to them, not just to dump a load of tripe, but because I wasn't using them and they didn't have any way to view them. It's called generosity. Read posts before you reply.
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He did say it was generous. He was just simultaneously expressing his views about the movies as well.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.