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Fall of the Republic - The Clone Wars/Revenge of the Sith Prequel Finale Edit (Clips available, rough draft coming) (a WIP) — Page 2

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Ahh, my bad. Silly me for assuming.

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Hal 9000 said:

Maybe I should just watch this when it’s at at least workprint status rather than the show!

Any of this kind of edit will be more of a fun novelty than anything else, tbh. The finale works really well, paced as it is, so cutting back and forth between ROTS and it would undercut what makes it great on its own imo. The momentum it has in building tension and riding a wave of dread is going to be lost - unless someone wants to rescore RotS scenes with more Vangelis-esque music to alleviate it (which is possible).

I think if you did want to see it, it’s worth it to see the original product first. Not to discount anyone’s efforts obviously. It’s a great idea to edit the two, just not a replacement like a FanFix would be.

I also think if you’re worried about how “ugly” it looks, these four episodes are the best TCW has ever looked. Not just in lighting and animation, but even the designs have been updated with more rounded features and smaller eyes. It’s really good.



Delpheas, if you need any specific raw materials or audio from New Canon Cut, just ask. Don’t wait for my final version. Try not to use my shitty in-progress workprint lmao

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Fair enough. I can watch the new season and see what I think. I do like the idea of a three-forms-of-content huge ‘series finale’ version of Ep3.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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You could probably skip everything but the last four episodes of the new season, honestly. xP

Also yeah, this is going to be pretty cool.

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NFBisms said:

Delpheas, if you need any specific raw materials or audio from New Canon Cut, just ask. Don’t wait for my final version. Try not to use my shitty in-progress workprint lmao

Lol, only using the workprint as a base to begin figuring out scene placement, timing and the like. Definitely will ask if/when I feel like I need anything. But I definitely want to wait for you to feel like you’ve got a final version. Like, maybe I’ll make a workptint using your workprint, but nothing beyond that.

Regarding the pacing of the finale, I definitely agree. Especially in the last episode it is really really strong and doesn’t need to be edited together with anything. The finale (and all of season 7 imo) is definitely worth a watch.

And this shouldn’t necessarily be viewed as an attempt at a replacement, stylistically I’m ignoring a few traditional Star Wars tropes, so I’m viewing this as simply an alternate way to watch NCC and SoM, not a replacement in and of itself. As for rescoring RotS, I’m not opposed, but I haven’t played around with the final episodes yet.


A question I had was, since this edit will be using three very visually different sources, would it feel horrible and out of place to use some of the deleted Order 66 animatics?

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NFBisms said:

You could probably skip everything but the last four episodes of the new season, honestly. xP

You just gave me permission.

I don’t really like the clones in TCW. AOTC and ROTS made them out to just be mindless automatons who do whatever they’re told and don’t give too much of a shit.

They get an order to kill their commanding officers with whom they sometimes pal around? Ho hum, better get to it.

In TCW they’re so humanized and beloved they have to invent a brain chip implant to explain how they could do that. It doesn’t feel like it’s part of the same story. I still prefer the older Clone Wars series and the multimedia that was put out prior to 2008.

They brought in Darth Maul’s long lost brother. Weird, but all right I guess. But then they dredge up Darth Maul himself. Hearing about that years ago before ever even watching the show sort of put me further off doing so.

But, maybe when my kids are a little older we’ll give it a fresh chance.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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So my edit is more or less ready and in the middle of rendering, 1080p first, 4K later. Subtitles will be recut after the fact, and I can only do English for now, but I’ve got them partly ready based on earlier incomplete edits. I’ve taken a few extra steps like changing out Microseries Grievous’ voice lines with Battlefront 2 quotes (some of which were redubs of lines from the actual show too) to fix that little iffy-bit of continuity.

Again, my 4K HDR upscale of the 2003 microseries is ready and I will share links with anyone who wants them. My cut of the film itself (simply to be titled “Revenge of the Sith - The Siege of Mandalore Cut” will be up by no later than “Revenge of the Fifth” tomorrow.

I’m sure my cut will only be one of many, and that’s fine.

I’m sure people will have many ideas on where scenes should fit, some different from mine. That’s also fine. I’ve tried to mimmick Lucas’ A-B-C plot pacing in this trilogy as much as I could (Anakin kills the Separatist Council while Kenobi is investigating the temple, and while the Chancellor makes his Declaration of a new Order. All 3 events can’t possible occur in realtime, but the story is stronger for them all being seen together. One of the film’s stronger moments, for sure. The battles in the final series arc is handled in a somewhat similar manner in my edit.)

Many of you here have been doing this for years and I’m grateful for what help I’ve already been given for this massive project. Most people also won’t have the patience for an extra fanservicey 4+ hour cut, so I’m sure shorter versions will be popular too.

Regardless, I’m excited to see this all come together. Both the TV show(s) and the film are something I love dearly, warts and all.

Also, as one last technical point, I’ve tried to use Lucas-style “Hollywood wipes” to match his editing feel as much as reasonably possible, but I also use several hard cuts and a few soft transitions based on the style used in Siege of Mandalore itself. It’s going to be a blend of all of that. I have extensive experience as an AMV artist of over 15 years, so I’ve experimented with every transition to create the best sounding and looking version I could, with some footage clipped between both versions of some scenes being a limiting factor (Can’t wipe between scenes easily if you can see the other wipes I’m trying to hide).

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Sounds cool! I’ll watch the final four episodes for now but this’ll be fun to check out afterward.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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commandercluck said:

What if the Fallen Order - Order 66 scene took place on Ahsoka’s ship?

https://vimeo.com/414839084

password: fanedit

I think it has some potential with some more fine tuning.

I’m not necessarily opposed to incorporating FO footage, my caveat is that if these Jedi were on her ship, people are gonna wonder how the hell they never spoke and why they didn’t try harder to team up.

hedgesmfg said:

So my edit is more or less ready

Might you be willing to share a rough list of how you incorporated the last fourth of SoM? I don’t want to necessarily steal your ideas, just see if they might spark my own.

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Four hours is a long time, I might check it out to see what’s been done, but in addition to the runtime, I can’t really see myself enjoying it as long as it uses a plain extended RotS. Anakin’s gonna feel all over the place in terms of characterisation.


Anyway, here’s the promised clips. I’ll update the main post later.

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Opening with new crawl, temp music replacement for narrator lines
https://vimeo.com/414966830

You can see the first “Day” title card. Five will appear throughout.

“You’ve done well Anakin” (this is a very rough edit, just to see if I even like the concept(
https://vimeo.com/414993033

I wpuld like to see Anakin to treat killing Dooku the way he treats all the casual murders he commits in TCW, it’s just a thing he did, and he moves on.

Ahsoka fights on Mandalore while Anakin is Late
https://vimeo.com/414994185

“What have I done?”
https://vimeo.com/414993081

Trying out not seeing Anakin see “What have I done”, only Ahsoka hearing Lanter’s Anakin say it. Also trying Palpatine and Ahsoka saying “anakin” at the same time.

Labyrinth of Evil Ending with Ahsoka & Vader: (taking suggestions on rescoring the Luke hand off to flow better with the Vader finale.)
https://vimeo.com/414975128

These are all first or second passes, so keep that in mind.

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Delpheas said:

Four hours is a long time, I might check it out to see what’s been done, but in addition to the runtime, I can’t really see myself enjoying it as long as it uses a plain extended RotS. Anakin’s gonna feel all over the place in terms of characterisation.


Anyway, here’s the promised clips. I’ll update the main post later.

Pass for all: fanedit

Opening with new crawl, temp music replacement for narrator lines
https://vimeo.com/414966830

You can see the first “Day” title card. Five will appear throughout.

“You’ve done well Anakin” (gotta figure out what to do about Palps talking standing up)
https://vimeo.com/414993033

I want Anakin to treat killing Dooku the way he treats all the casual murders he commits in TCW, it’s just a thing he did, and he moves on.

Ahsoka fights on Mandalore while Anakin is Late
https://vimeo.com/414994185

“What have I done?”
https://vimeo.com/414993081

Trying out not seeing Anakin see “What have I done”, only Ahsoka hearing Lanter’s Anakin say it. Also trying Palpatine and Ahsoka saying “anakin” at the same time.

Labyrinth of Evil Ending with Ahsoka & Vader: (taking suggestions on rescoring the Luke hand off to flow better with the Vader finale.)
https://vimeo.com/414975128

My goal with this one is an actually Dark ending, there’s definitely hope, but that’s not this story.

These are all first or second passes, so keep that in mind.

Alright, first off, amazing work at completing this so quickly!

I have a few suggestions for the Labyrinth of Evil ending. First, while I think Threepio and R2 is a solid scene in ROTS, I think it’s too much humor especially when it cuts to Ahsoka and Rex burying the clones. I would try rescoring the entire scene (Yoda, Leia, and Luke’s) to this: https://youtu.be/MJrEkTEkE4Q it’s the music from the last Ahsoka scene. It captures the tradegy far better than Binary Sunset. And it would since it’s the music from the scene before, it will perfectly mix into the final scene with Vader.

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If you’re using New Canon Cut, why not use it for the Dooku beheading?

The audio and things like Palpatine still mouthing words he isn’t saying aside, the shots in your clip go by too fast and Anakin actually still looks regretful. I also don’t agree that Anakin would be that casual about killing Dooku. He hates Dooku. In NCC, he’s not apologizing for killing Dooku but aware of how and why he did it. Palpatine then reassures him it doesn’t matter anyway, it’ll bring a quick end to things, which is more in line with how CW Anakin would justify it.

EDIT: Oh I see it’s edited from a draft a few workprints of NCC ago. I recommend working from the original film as the source as much as you can; you have much more freedom to tweak the scene the way you want that way. And like I said, I’d be willing to provide raw materials if you want to use some of my choices before I put out a final version.

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NFBisms said:

If you’re using New Canon Cut, why not use it for the Dooku beheading?

Palpatine still mouthing words he isn’t saying aside, the shots in your clip go by too fast and Anakin actually still looks regretful. I also don’t agree that Anakin would be that casual about killing Dooku. He hates Dooku. In NCC, he’s not apologizing for killing Dooku but how and why he did it. Palpatine then reassures him it doesn’t matter anyway, it’ll bring a quick end to things, which is more in line with how Anakin would justify it.

I probably should have clarified on that one that I edited that from an old version, and it’s just kinda a very brief test to see if I even like the idea.

As for how Anakin would react to killing Dooku, I think that in TCW he does a lot of casual executions, the two sticking out in my mind rn are the Mandalorian senator in S2 and admiral trench. I don’t really see why Dooku would be so different just cus Anakin hated him? I’m gonna play around with it, though for the most part this is about combining the end of Ahsoka & Anakin’s Clone Wars journeys.

And any actual changes I make to RotS will be from the bluray, but by and large I’m happy with what you’ve put out so far, only using the workprint to try out my Clone Wars intercuts.

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The big difference with those instances is that he was justified in doing so those times. The Mando senator was going to blow up a ship, and Trench had started electrocuting him.

Dooku was literally unarmed. I don’t disagree that Anakin would brutally go for it immediately, but he’d recognize afterwards how unjustified he was this time. It’s too far, even for him, but especially for a Jedi. I think recognition of that, and seeking justification/validation for it (from Palpatine) is essential to his arc.

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That… does make sense. The version that’s in NCC is excellent and does convey that very well.

I’m hoping to have a watchable version of FotR by this weekend, looking forward to see how well your edit meshes with SoM.

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So my version is now avaliable and in the wild in 1080p, with a 4K cut hitting sometime tomorrow.

Easiest way to get more info is to PM me here directly, or email Sheevsenate0505@gmail.com.

Again, thank you Hal for your incredible DVD deleted scenes upscale. Working with that material was like a dream come true and I can’t believe how incredible it looks in both the SDR and even the 4K HDR edits I have tested so far. I’ve namedropped you at any opportunity when asked.

And thank you everyone else for helping me understand the timeline of the film so well. It really helped this version come together. I wish you all the best on your own edits, as I’m sure there’s more than one wonderful way to play around with this material.

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Well, remember that DrDre was the one who showed me how to do it. It’s really pretty simple, but I’m glad that making them available was useful for you.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Yes, you’re right. I’ll be sure to namedrop him as well.

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“From a Space Odyssey? And him too? From N.W.A?”

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It’s wild to me how many people started intercuttung SoM and RotS with complete disregard for the show’s points of interconnection. There’s so many videos on youtube billed as “SoM/RotS at the same time” and they keep confusing me when I see them because many if them are phenomenally made, except that they keep pairing the Maul/Ahsoka duel with RoTS moments that explicitly happen before…

Anyway,

I’m cutting Ahsoka/Maul together with the first part of the Kenobi/Grevious fight but having trouble figuring out the best points to cut back and forth.

What I have atm is Kenobi standing in the rafters staring down at Grevious right as Ahsoka walks into the Mandalorian throne room, but after that, not sure…

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I’m cutting Ahsoka/Maul together with the first part of the Kenobi/Grevious fight but having trouble figuring out the best points to cut back and forth.

What I have atm is Kenobi standing in the rafters staring down at Grevious right as Ahsoka walks into the Mandalorian throne room, but after that, not sure…

Well there’s a tricky thing there because the very next scene after the first part of Grievous vs. Obi-Wan is the conference room scene that is replicated shot by shot in “Shattered”. So that conversation between Mace, Yoda, Ki-Adi etc. happens the morning after Maul’s defeat and capture.

If you go that route, you could maybe end the first part of Utapau right before Obi-Wan gets the varactyl and sets off to find Grievous, then the Ahsoka/Maul fight, then the Grievous/Obi-Wan fight.

You could end up with a timeline like this.

  • Maul runs from Ahsoka in the undercity.
  • Kashyyyk and Council scene. Kenobi appointed to Utapau.
  • Obi-Wan says goodbye to Anakin.
  • Obi-Wan contacts Ahsoka.
  • Jesse’s interrogation and Maul rallies the Shadow Collective.
  • Obi-Wan gives instructions to Cody and leaves for Utapau.
  • Padmé and Anakin apartment scene.
  • Maul vs Ahsoka / Obi-Wan arrives on Utapau and fights Grievous.
  • Maul is captured (end of Phantom Apprentice) and brought to Bo-Katan (beginning of Shattered).
  • Hologram briefing scene.

I don’t know if you have this considered but I believe it would be great to have the “Padmé’s ruminations” scene from Episode III placed next to the beginning of that long sequence of Shattered where Ahsoka and the 501st depart Mandalore with Maul and board the Venator. Both scenes convey a similar feeling with both having a dark score that deviates from the classic orchestral Williams pieces.

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Knight of Kalee said:

I’m cutting Ahsoka/Maul together with the first part of the Kenobi/Grevious fight but having trouble figuring out the best points to cut back and forth.

What I have atm is Kenobi standing in the rafters staring down at Grevious right as Ahsoka walks into the Mandalorian throne room, but after that, not sure…

Well there’s a tricky thing there because the very next scene after the first part of Grievous vs. Obi-Wan is the conference room scene that is replicated shot by shot in “Shattered”. So that conversation between Mace, Yoda, Ki-Adi etc. happens the morning after Maul’s defeat and capture.

If you go that route, you could maybe end the first part of Utapau right before Obi-Wan gets the varactyl and sets off to find Grievous, then the Ahsoka/Maul fight, then the Grievous/Obi-Wan fight.

You could end up with a timeline like this.

  • Maul runs from Ahsoka in the undercity.
  • Kashyyyk and Council scene. Kenobi appointed to Utapau.
  • Obi-Wan says goodbye to Anakin.
  • Obi-Wan contacts Ahsoka.
  • Jesse’s interrogation and Maul rallies the Shadow Collective.
  • Obi-Wan gives instructions to Cody and leaves for Utapau.
  • Padmé and Anakin apartment scene.
  • Maul vs Ahsoka / Obi-Wan arrives on Utapau and fights Grievous.
  • Maul is captured (end of Phantom Apprentice) and brought to Bo-Katan (beginning of Shattered).
  • Hologram briefing scene.

The sequence of RotS events is slightly different since I’m using the New Canon Cut so currently we have:

-Council meeting about Grevious on Utapau
-Ahsoka checks in with Obi-Wan
-Padme and the senators discuss a Jedi deleted scene
-Anakin and Obi-Wan part ways
-Jesse’s interrogation and Maul rallies the Shadow Collective.
-Obi-Wan gives instructions to Cody and leaves for Utapau.
-Deleted scene where Padme and the senators bring up their concerns to Palpatine
-Padme and Anakin discuss his nightmare
-Maul vs Ahsoka / Obi-Wan arrives on Utapau and fights Grievous.
-Maul is Captured
-Maul is brought to Bo-Katan, Rex tells Ahsoka the council is awaiting her report
-Mace tells Anakin to brief Palpatine on Kenobi’s engagement
-Ahsoka joins the final Jedi War Counci

I’m willing to play with this sequence somewhat, but I really like how the order of the NCC scenes establishes Anakin and Padme’s relationship as still intact.

The issue I’m having is finding the exact points to intercut Kenobi/Grevious and Ahsoka/Maul

Knight of Kalee said:

I don’t know if you have this considered but I believe it would be great to have the “Padmé’s ruminations” scene from Episode III placed next to the beginning of that long sequence of Shattered where Ahsoka and the 501st depart Mandalore with Maul and board the Venator. Both scenes convey a similar feeling with both having a dark score that deviates from the classic orchestral Williams pieces.

Williams did actually write more music that has this ominous sound to it, but a lot of it got replaced.

I currently have:
-the Departure from Mandalore through the ship going into hyperspace
-Padme’s ruminations, with the last shot of Padme/3PO replaced with Ahsoka
-Rex asks Ahsoka what is on her mind and Rex is called away for new orders
-Anakin gets in the Jedi speeder
-Mace vs Sidious
-Ahsoka senses Anakin’s fall in realtime.

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