Info: Evidence of TFA Changes in Blu-ray? — Page 3

TV’s Frink said:

Frank your Majesty said:

GrizzlyAdams said:

And it’s not the wonderful London Symphony Orchestra that we’re used to. It’s weird. I think the whole score sounds great, and the orchestra performs brilliantly. But whereas (for example) the jump from LSO with Raiders Of The Lost Ark to an American studio orchestra for Temple Of Doom didn’t feel like a step down in quality, the Main Title in TFA sounds like a slightly naff warm up take. Shame. And a bit off topic. Sorry 😃

Are you saying there is a bigger difference between today’s LSO and the orchestra from TFA than the difference between the 1977 LSO and the 2005 LSO?

The LSO of today is a poor rehash of the 1977 LSO.

I don’t know if I’d go that far, but I’m also not entirely sure of the last time I heard them play. But if we look back to 1999 and TPM recordings there were some of the same musicians playing as in 1977. Those recording sessions gave Williams what he considered to be the definitive recording of the main theme, hence it’s re-use in Clones and Sith. One of the biggest losses was when Maurice Murphy died. That man was a trumpet powerhouse. He made those opening blasts sound so good on the other films, and made Indy and Superman sound so ridiculously good.

I don’t think Dudamel’s conducting would have much to do with the problem. He’s awesome as well, and the end credits which I believe he also conducted sound great. There’s a depth missing, which is probably just a mixing decision which doesn’t work for my ears. But hey. It’s new Star Wars.

Looks like somebody missed the joke there.

didnt even notice it to step round it

You people give too much crap.

I understand being angry about the changes in OT, I myself hate those changes too. They change things directly in the movie, they interrupt the flow, they don’t fit in.

But being angry about a soundtrack being louder/less loud, a new sound effect, a removal of sound effect etc.? All movies do stuff that when they arrive on home video, because otherwise the sound would be awful.

It has indeed. I think on 4k discs, though.

captainsolo said:

Holy…you can see the hard brickwall cutoff in that waveform. WTF Disney?? I don’t even like the film and I feel bad. BD at home allows for greater dynamic range than the usual terrible theatrical presentations of today…and usually it is left as-is for modern releases…until now. We’ve been fighting loudness in music since the mid 90’s and now it’s coming in movies…come on…what is wrong with people??

You can thank all the people who complain about how movie dialogue is too quiet compared to the music and sound effects for this one – the fact that it’s only the center channel that was brick walled makes that abundantly clear. It sucks, because the biggest reason they have those problems is that people are either watching on a crappy soundbar or the built in speakers of their TV, or they have a surround sound system but it’s got tiny little drivers that they didn’t bother to calibrate. I swear, studios should start tossing in a lossily (not to mention dynamically) compressed track for people like this and having the disc default to it, so those of us who care can go in and switch to the good track, and the people who don’t won’t notice but will also stop complaining.

Handman said:

It has indeed. I think on 4k discs, though.

Yeah, it’s out there. I think on normal blu-rays, not just the 4K ones (which I’m pretty sure aren’t out yet, and definitely weren’t when the home version of Atmos first came out). It’s kind of irrelevant to this discussion, though, since there’s very few commercial theaters that are equipped to play an Atmos track at this point, so new movies still need theatrical 5.1 tracks.

Edit: Added the reply to Handman instead of double posting.

Mockingjay PT 2 had such a track. I think all home video should default to a matrixed stereo track and full encoded surround should be an alternate.

I honestly prefer 2.0 surround (sent through DPLII) over discreet surround. Don’t ask me why but i just like the way Dolby surround sounds and the surround effects are almost the same.I just feel like music, sound effects, and dialogue blend better that way. He’ll my old star wars vhs tapes (the vhs counterpart to the 'Definitive Collection LDs) have great surround sound through pl. Obviously the overall audio quality isn’t as crisp because its vhs but the surround effects are, to me, just as immersive.

I don’t get angry about changes, on the contrary I find them fascinating.
Part of the reason I have 100+ copies of all six (seven, I guess… technically TFA counts…) Star Wars films on BD/DVD/VCD/LD/VHS/Beta in various releases, as well as a stupidly large amount of bootlegs, is because I love seeing all the differences between releases.

While I think the cinema mix is much better and I’m kind of sick of studios watering down BD sound mixes, when it comes to TFA I don’t really care anyway; the movie is about as interesting as a puddle.
Even so we’re all going to bitch like children regardless, it wouldn’t be OT.com if we didn’t complain about Star Wars all the time.

There is another change reported on the German Cinefacts forum:

0:58:11 - 0:58:14
In the theatrical version, the woman (First Order spy) is talking audibly to the large alien. In the BluRay version, she is shown talking, but you can’t hear what she is saying.

TheHutt said:

There is another change reported on the German Cinefacts forum:

0:58:11 - 0:58:14
In the theatrical version, the woman (First Order spy) is talking audibly to the large alien. In the BluRay version, she is shown talking, but you can’t hear what she is saying.

Is this supposed to be a change that’s specific to the German dub?

I don’t recall hearing her in either version of the English dub, but I could be wrong.

edit: another?

Nope, according to the forum poster, it occurs on all the language tracks.

That was what I thought. Sounds like a ‘grappling hook’ esque imagined change. I thought I remembered trying to listen up to what she might be saying, only to realize that we’re not supposed to hear anything.