Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 33

PT references in TFA

• Tekka mentions “balance in the Force”
• Kylo Ren mentions clone army (though the concept of warring clones dates back to the original film)
• Maz mentions “the Sith” (though the word has been around SW lore since the 70s)
• Super debatable, but Kylo Ren’s hairstyle could be purposefully reminiscent of ROTS Anakin
• Ewan McGregor Obi-Wan voice cameo

PT references in RO

• Turbo tank (though this was an ESB concept)
• Jimmy Smitts as Bail Organa (thought the character has of course existed since the original)
• Genevieve O’Reilly as Mon Mothma (though the character is of course in ROTJ, and the actress played her in deleted scenes, not the actual film)
• Flashback on Coruscant (though the planet existed pre-PT)
• Vader’s castle on Mustafar (though this was also an ESB concept)

Bottom line, if you think one has more than the other (or that they are significant in either), you’re wrong.

And by the way

imperialscum said:

TFA had no PT references

He didn’t say it had few or minor references, he said it had none. And he’s dead wrong.

So Rey and Kylo’s enteries in the Star Wars database was recently updated to include the fact that a bond had formed between the two. This partially explains why she was able to get into his head.

If it leads to psychic sex, it’s all good.

So we are going to see Rey train as a Jedi, Luke get killed by ren, Rey discovering Luke is her dad and Rey potentially being conflicted with the darkside with her ‘love’ for ren …so Rey becomes ‘the last Jedi’?

darthrush said:

Lord Haseo said:

So Rey and Kylo’s enteries in the Star Wars database was recently updated to include the fact that a bond had formed between the two. This partially explains why she was able to get into his head.

This is one of the most exciting aspects of episode 8 to come.

I have a feeling they won’t explore it much. Unless it’s a Kreia like bond (when one dies the other dies as well) I think they’ll keep it vague as to what their connection actually is.

I just hope this doesn’t mean Reylo is a thing…

suspiciouscoffee said:

Lord Haseo said:

darthrush said:

Lord Haseo said:

So Rey and Kylo’s enteries in the Star Wars database was recently updated to include the fact that a bond had formed between the two. This partially explains why she was able to get into his head.

This is one of the most exciting aspects of episode 8 to come.

I just hope this doesn’t mean Reylo is a thing…

+1000

Rey falling in love with a man who

• kidnapped her
• mentally abused her (literally, he used the force to abuse her mind)
• tried to kill her
• killed her only father figure

would be absurd and probably break the trilogy for me.

The most I would consider reasonable is that if Ben has a redemption arc, then the two of them might not be on hostile terms, but very uncomfortable together, and if they are related (to be honest I can see it going either way for Rey’s parentage), they might stay far apart during family get-togethers.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Lord Haseo said:

darthrush said:

Lord Haseo said:

So Rey and Kylo’s enteries in the Star Wars database was recently updated to include the fact that a bond had formed between the two. This partially explains why she was able to get into his head.

This is one of the most exciting aspects of episode 8 to come.

I just hope this doesn’t mean Reylo is a thing…

+1000

Rey falling in love with a man who

• kidnapped her
• mentally abused her (literally, he used the force to abuse her mind)
• tried to kill her
• killed her only father figure

would be absurd and probably break the trilogy for me.

Kylo never tried to kill her; he was trying to subdue her and get her to join him.

EDIT:

@flametitan

I don’t think there would be any family functions because Ben is going to prison if he turns back to the light. Just because he’s of the Skywalker bloodline doesn’t mean he can get away with multiple counts of murder and being part of a regime who destroyed an entire System. And that’s just what he’s done thus far. Imagine what that fucker is going to do next.

Lord Haseo said:

EDIT:

@flametitan

I don’t think there would be any family functions because Ben is going to prison if he turns back to the light. Just because he’s of the Skywalker bloodline doesn’t mean he can get away with multiple counts of murder and being part of a regime who destroyed an entire System. And that’s just what he’s done thus far. Imagine what that fucker is going to do next.

1. Star Wars is a sci-fi take on a contemporary fairy tale world. Darth Vader’s redemption more or less absolved everything he did in Luke’s eyes (and the Force’s eyes, he got to be a force ghost!). Unless I read bloodline wrong, Leia in the new canon is more upset that she never got to see the good man and only knows the hate, than that Darth Vader got to be a karma Houdini by saving Luke (Legends is a different matter). The rest of the galaxy still hates Vader, but they don’t know about his redemption arc either.

2. I didn’t mean literally. It’s just a good illustration to point out how it’d be strained.

flametitan said:

Lord Haseo said:

EDIT:

@flametitan

I don’t think there would be any family functions because Ben is going to prison if he turns back to the light. Just because he’s of the Skywalker bloodline doesn’t mean he can get away with multiple counts of murder and being part of a regime who destroyed an entire System. And that’s just what he’s done thus far. Imagine what that fucker is going to do next.

1. Star Wars is a sci-fi take on a contemporary fairy tale world. Darth Vader’s redemption more or less absolved everything he did in Luke’s eyes (and the Force’s eyes, he got to be a force ghost!). Unless I read bloodline wrong, Leia in the new canon is more upset that she never got to see the good man and only knows the hate, than that Darth Vader got to be a karma Houdini by saving Luke (Legends is a different matter). The rest of the galaxy still hates Vader, but they don’t know about his redemption arc either.

I don’t see how this pertains to my point. Whether Luke, Leia or Rey (?) will forgive him doesn’t matter because he would be held accountable for his atrocities against the New Republic. If not execution or imprisonment I could see him being exiled to some ball of Bantha poodoo in the Outer Rim.

2. I didn’t mean literally. It’s just a good illustration to point out how it’d be strained.

I knew that “Family Gatherings” is code for any circumstance that requires them to be in close proximity to each other.

EDIT:

He should also be stripped of The Force. That’s a juicy EU bit that needs to make its way over yonder to K-Canon.

suspiciouscoffee said:

flametitan said:

Lord Haseo said:

EDIT:

@flametitan

I don’t think there would be any family functions because Ben is going to prison if he turns back to the light. Just because he’s of the Skywalker bloodline doesn’t mean he can get away with multiple counts of murder and being part of a regime who destroyed an entire System. And that’s just what he’s done thus far. Imagine what that fucker is going to do next.

1. Star Wars is science fantasy, which is a combination of both sci-fi and fantasy

Yes.

Fixed both of those for me.

suspiciouscoffee said:

flametitan said:

Lord Haseo said:

EDIT:

@flametitan

I don’t think there would be any family functions because Ben is going to prison if he turns back to the light. Just because he’s of the Skywalker bloodline doesn’t mean he can get away with multiple counts of murder and being part of a regime who destroyed an entire System. And that’s just what he’s done thus far. Imagine what that fucker is going to do next.

1. Star Wars is sci-fi

No.

In fairness, “sci-fi take on a fairy tale world” is not a terrible way to describe it.

Yeah, it’s actually pretty accurate IMO.

What about “science fantasy”?

Fant-fi.