Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 23

As a matter of fact, recycling from other films than from the OT itself is a very smart move. It seems the all rehash issue thing is something pro-TFA don’t quite understand (even people who love TFA have just released the first fan edit version that tries to partly correct that, so I guess within a few years it will be accepted by everyone that TFA is a rehash).

Lucas recycled things from japanese cinema and westerns (among other things); JJ Abrams recycled things from… the OT and… shots from his own films (shots already seen in his Star Trek flicks, in MI3, in Super 8, etc. Shots we will re-use in his next movies, no matter the topic, the franchise, the story…). Ryan Johnson is a competent and intelligent cineast (as opposed to just a “competent filmmaker”), so this is hardly a surprise that he’s got enough culture and references to feed his own take on the saga; even if some internal flaws and producers directions (like massive OT references) might still be problematic, I’m pretty confident that EpVIII is gonna be a far more interesting movie than TFA… and probably the only interesting piece of the ST. Good film, not sure, but interesting, yeah. Remember Looper ? Not that great, but fascinating movie, fueled with asian references (Akira being the most obvious). I wouldn’t say the same about Jurassic World's director…

I have no problem with him taking inspiration from other films like Lucas did (with the exception of Dam Busters which he completely stole from) but it’s how he implements the inspiration that is cause for concern. Also I’m curious, what makes you think Episode IX couldn’t be even better than VIII?

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Also most pro TFA people know it rehashed things from the OT but there are a small few who think it’s completely original. Then there are some of the anti TFA lot who think it’s a step away from being a full on remake. I don’t understand either stance.

Lord Haseo said:

I have no problem with him taking inspiration from other films like Lucas did (with the exception of Dam Busters which he completely stole from) but it’s how he implements the inspiration that is cause for concern. Also I’m curious, what makes you think Episode IX couldn’t be even better than VIII?

Just an intution. I have seen Looper and people I trust praised Rian’s 3 episodes job on Breaking Bad (still have not watched this tvseries). And I’ve seen Jurassic World, which is a total mess. Usually, good cineasts make good movies, and bad filmmakers/yesmen make bad ones.

Haven’t seen Dam Busters, put it right away on my “to watch” list.

MalàStrana said:

Lord Haseo said:

I have no problem with him taking inspiration from other films like Lucas did (with the exception of Dam Busters which he completely stole from) but it’s how he implements the inspiration that is cause for concern. Also I’m curious, what makes you think Episode IX couldn’t be even better than VIII?

Just an intution. I have seen Looper and people I trust praised Rian’s 3 episodes job on Breaking Bad (still have not watched this tvseries).

Then you and I are of the same mindset in regards to this topic. As someone who has watched Breaking Bad in it’s entirety 4 times Rian has gained my trust as Ozymandias is probably the best Episode in Television history.

And I’ve seen Jurassic World, which is a total mess. Usually, good cineasts make good movies, and bad filmmakers/yesmen make bad ones.

If it’s any consultation Rian is writing Episode IX too so there’s little Colin can do to mess it up. At least story wise.

Haven’t seen Dam Busters, put it right away on my “to watch” list.

Well, if you want to take the quick and easy path here’s a video detailing the similarities.

Except that Rian is only writing the story treatment for Episode IX, not the screenplay itself. That’ll be handled by Collin Trevorrow (and his buddy Derek Connolly), as he announced a few months back.

My problem is that I simply don’t feel I know enough about Trevorrow’s style and approach to filmmaking to have an idea for what he will do for IX.

I just looked it up and emanswfan is right. Holy hell, Rian could have even wrote the story treatment for Episode III and Lucas would have found a way to muck it up. Is there any chance that Colin could be kicked off the project?

Well, there is a petition to ask GL to direct this last episode… Don’t forget that a challenged GL gave ANH (and the OT as well), so it wouldn’t be a bad idea. Except that GL would never direct a movie with a script he has not writen himself. Even if LF did want to hire GL for the job (which is 99.999999% unlikely) GL would refuse. I would love someone like Del Toro to direct a SW movie. But the guy is too independant to accept that.

Most of Star Wars is taken from other sources. I like the idea of a bunch of old films providing inspiration. I think we might get a more OT feel. On the other hand, I wish they were doing more to make it unique. Each trilogy should have a different feel.

Smithers said:

joefavs said:

“I’m from the future. Go to China.”

Out of context I’d think you’re being sarcastic but Looper is actually awesome.

Okay I will check that out when it’s made… (I’m currently posting from the past)… as a side note my great uncle had a dog with the same name as the one in the Dam Busters. I’m not bringing that thing back with me, it would make walks in the park less of a walk in the park.

Rumors have circulated that Kelly’s character is an information broker

I stopped reading after it was revealed she was an information broker but if this is true this could add an interesting dynamic as this character could potentially be playing both sides.

It seems everyone’s favorite composer isn’t the only one who is infatuated with Daisy Ridley/Rey. She is one of the reasons why he is coming back to score VIII

Lord Haseo said:

It seems everyone’s favorite composer isn’t the only one who is infatuated with Daisy Ridley/Rey. She is one of the reasons why he is coming back to score VIII

Whoa whoa whoa, who said he’s everyone’s favorite?

I don’t have a favorite composer.

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

It seems everyone’s favorite composer isn’t the only one who is infatuated with Daisy Ridley/Rey. She is one of the reasons why he is coming back to score VIII

Whoa whoa whoa, who said he’s everyone’s favorite?

I don’t have a favorite composer.

He’s my favorite thus he’s everyone’s favorite. Keep up buddy.

C’mon, there’s only room for one impscum parody account here.

TV’s Frink said:

C’mon, there’s only room for one impscum parody account here.

I am more powerful than the Scum, I…I can overthrow him. And together, you and I can rule the forum! We can make things the way we want them to be.

Don’t embarrass yourselves.

So I just had a thought of Speculation based on remembering Bloodlines. (Spoilers from Bloodlines follow, naturally)

Leia (And Luke’s) Parentage creates a bit of a scandal, one that effectively forces Leia out of politics. During this time, there’s speculation from the Senate as to what Luke’s going to do when/if he returns to the political forefront (Mostly in fear that in his recluse he becomes like Vader).

I wonder if this drama has blown over by now, or if it’ll have an impact on Luke’s ability to be involved in the future. I could see the First Order making great Propaganda out of it, at the very least.

It’s complicated, and requires even more spoilers from bloodlines. So, Spoilers from that book.

What happened was that this Noble title for one planet passed with no heir, so by default it would be handed down to Leia. This planet, however, was known for it’s really, really long ceremonies, and it was a title that was pure formality. Leia, having no interest in it, handed it over to Lady Carise, a Centrist who was also of the “Elder Houses” (As the collection of nobility was called.)

Lady Carise, during the ceremony, looked through her inheritance. It contained a music box (It had a more specific name, but I don’t remember it off the top of my head) with a prerecorded message from Bail Organa himself, who wanted to be absolutely sure that Leia knew who her birth father was when she was old enough.

Lady Carise, wanting to destroy Leia’s attempt at being elected First Senator, and drive a nail into her budding friendship with Casterfo, showed this to him, and Casterfo proceded to show it to the entire Senate.