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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 61

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^The Falcon looked thin to me too for a sec but it may have been the angle.

I hope they make the grossguard work in the film. It does look like another lightsabre could simply lop off one of the mini-blades at the root.

Teal/orange, shaky camera and the "typical fantasy film environment circa 2014-2015"-forest are my other (minor) complaints. I like everything else. I disagree with the Falcon shot criticism above. I could really feel the g-forces at play and the subtle streams of air really add to the realism. It may feel a bit weightless for a moment but maybe the Falcon WAS effectively weightless at that moment (think weightlessness simulation with airplanes that rise up and dive to achieve zero gravity momentarily). A nice thrill-ride shot with no distractions. I think it will be awesome in a theatre and in context/with build-up.

The rolling R2 was a bit of a jaw-dropper but it makes sense, 30 years and all that. I'm pretty sure it has compartments that open.

It does seem that Boyega's character has crash landed his TIE, maybe after fighting the Falcon? I guess Ridley's character finds him. 

I noticed there are zero shots of stuff happening in space. The trailer better have some starfields and space battles! 

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Johnny Ringo said:

I think I prefer the other teaser with Rick Astley.

 http://vimeo.com/113058516

On a side note, Youtube pulling fake trailers for "deceptive marketing" is kind of insulting, and sets a bad precedent. If anything, a fake trailer falls under parody and fair use. If Saturday Night Live can use Song of The South and other Disney footage in a TV Funhouse bit, and then sell it on a DVD...

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Any film containing that g-force inducing shot of the Falcon is a winner in my book. Reminds me favourably of the thrilling shot when the Falcon swoops into the Death Star in ROTJ. It looks like the OT, it looks like a JJ film, it looks like the best of both. I'm as pleased as punch! *

(*Okay the cruciform-Lightsaber is a bit silly but nevermind. You can't have everything LOL)

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I forgot to mention the X-wing shots that are amazeballs.

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Sorry, late to the party with the holiday and stressful week.

No real complaints here.  It has a bit of a modern take on a 1970s film look, but I'm ok with that.  In the prequels, Lucas completely disregarded the look of the 1970s (along with several other aspects of the original films) and set out to devalue them. 

Here it looks like Abrams is at the very least trying to play nice with them. As mentioned earlier, some of it could also be that these are early versions of the footage and not processed to the look of the originals yet. We are, after all, over a year away from the finished film.

The only Abrams-y thing that jumped out at me was the Falcon flying around within an atmosphere.  That all looked very much like the shots in 2009 Star Trek where they're controlled-falling on their way to disable the drill.  Again, not a complaint just an observation.  Similar in-universe situation (ship in upper atmosphere of a sunlit planet), so it should look similar.

The low flying X-Wings looked and sounded wonderful.  Best part for me.  In the end, the teaser did what it was supposed to do.  Gave me a glimpse of the film, served as an update and first look at footage, and it made me want to see more.

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I predict it will be as weird as watching Into Darkness if you are a Star Trek OS fan.

It looks as like Star Wars as the prequels did only in a different way (aging on new craft never made sense at least here the beat up stuff looks old enough to be beat up).

The average public viewer will think it's the most amazing thing evar buoyed along by the media reminding people how crap the prequels were.

The ball droid and Cumberjack voice over don't fill me with too much optimism and this is from someone who thought the teaser for TPM was something worth viewing on dial-up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Dp2OfIT_M

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I can finally add my two bits:

Things I love:

  • The X-Wing shot.

Thinks I like:

  • The Falcon shot. I don't understand the person or people who are saying it feels weightless. I almost felt like I was falling with the thing when it plunged downwards.
  • The snowy forest.
  • The Chrome Troopers and all the designs that look familiar, but updated.

Things that I neither liked nor disliked:

  • The Tatooine shots.
  • The lightsabre. I didn't think it was too bad. I'm hoping this isn't going to be another Sith vs. Jedi movie, though.

Things I disliked:

  • The rolling droid. It felt goofy, but no more than the mouse droids in ANH, I guess.
  • The possibility that we're going to be seeing Sith again.

 

Overall, it doesn't have me jumping up and down, or hugely disappointed. I'm adopting a wait and see attitude.

This is the first movie I have ever actively awaited in my life, or watched the trailers for as soon as they came out, so watching things progress and waiting is fun in itself.

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Bingowings said:

I predict it will be as weird as watching Into Darkness if you are a Star Trek OS fan.

It looks as like Star Wars as the prequels did only in a different way (aging on new craft never made sense at least here the beat up stuff looks old enough to be beat up).

The average public viewer will think it's the most amazing thing evar buoyed along by the media reminding people how crap the prequels were.

 

It might be a great movie. I might even enjoy it, but it doesn't look or feel like the OT at all. It was crap they tried to sell us.

It's all too emphatic. All too gritty. All too monumental. Even Vader has a clumsy moment in ESB;  but this movie will have the baddies be extremely bad and the good guys always be "deep" in their goodness.

They didn't get the OT at all. Yoda is just a crazy little creature who speaks truth from his heart, and thus, the greatest of all Jedi. Vader's appearances throughout the OT were mostly with zero-drama, not at least in the exaggerated way this hooded figure ignites his lightsabre. 

Hope it's an ancient weapon or something and not mere theatricality on the character. And even if it's an ancient weapon, have the bad guy be basically a collecting fan boy of the dark side might be a pronunciation from Disney about what the role of the fans is in this new era of SW. 

Still wanna know what happened to Alec Guiness and Yoda and how they're approaching it in this movie. Maybe Gollum's the key.

PS: Yes the X wing shot on the lake, and cockpit shot are absolutely delightful.

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well, watched it a few more times. and the things I mentioned arent as annoying the second time, but still doesnt really hook me to Episode VII anymore than I was prior to today.

I keep reading that people arent understanding the difference between what is simply the first 'trailer' opposed to a 'teaser'.  In other words, the first trailers for TPM, DOFP arent teasers at all.  OTOH, the 'breathe' for AOTC, that first preview of Alien 3 are what we call 'Teasers'.  Thats fine, but if thats the case, I have seen plenty of teasers that I feel grab your attention succesfully.  Hell, ROTS Teaser was better than this.  Eyes Wide Shut had a great teaser.  Superman Returns had a great Teaser.  If the post-credits for The Wolverine can be considered the 'teaser' for DOFP, even that made me more curious.

This seems more like a really short incomplete, unprepared trailer than a compelling 'teaser'.  You know what I think would have worked better?  if the teaser just picked one of the shots and continued it for a minute or so.  Like if we just continued tracking with that soccer-ball droid as we follow it around mos eisley - giving us a glimpse of how much the GFFA has changed in 30 years.  Or if we continued tracking with those x-wings. I dunno.

anyway, I've heard something that could give me more hope for that Falcon sequence - JJ shot some stuff in IMAX right?  if so, I can imagine that shot be a lot more exciting on a huge imax screen.

at the end of the day, that is the only thing that counts.  But I feel the producers could have offered a lot more and still kept it as a tip of the iceberg.

By the way, how many of you guys have seen it in one of the theatres or know someone that has?

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Bingowings said:

I predict it will be as weird as watching Into Darkness if you are a Star Trek OS fan.

So not at all weird. ;-)

RicOlie_2 said:

Things I disliked:


  • The possibility that we're going to be seeing Sith again.

I'd bet were all sick of the boring Sith that have populated the SW universe. I'm sure when it comes to JJ's undoubtably fun take on them, we'll find we like them afterall.

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This is the first movie I have ever actively awaited in my life, or watched the trailers for as soon as they came out, so watching things progress and waiting is fun in itself.

Oh how I envy you. To be anticipating a new Star Wars film, blissful in the ignorance of how it felt having all of your dreams being shattered the last time. LOL

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SilverWook said:

It just occurred to me that Sith Saber might truly be an "ancient weapon". Handed down, or maybe belongs to somebody who's been hibernating for a long time?

In that case, they should have went with using a Sith sword or some other equivalent weapon instead of that dumbass-looking lightsaber. It'd pull off "ancient handed-down weapon" a whole lot better than a light-crossguard does. 

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DuracellEnergizer said:

SilverWook said:

It just occurred to me that Sith Saber might truly be an "ancient weapon". Handed down, or maybe belongs to somebody who's been hibernating for a long time?

In that case, they should have went with using a Sith sword or some other equivalent weapon instead of that dumbass-looking lightsaber. It'd pull off "ancient handed-down weapon" a whole lot better than a light-crossguard does. 

 Probably coincidental, but it does remind me of the saber belonging to a certain crazy old man Han met early in the Marvel run.

Is it really any more goofy than this one? ;)

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Has anyone well versed in Aurebesh tried to read what it says on the X-Wing pilot's vest? ;)

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ray_afraid said:

Just watched the trailer and...

I'm out.

 Repeat to yourself, it's just a teaser, I should really just relax.

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Boyega, Ridley and Isaac look great. Isaac reminds me of Wedge (hardly surprising).

I can't get enough of those cockpit and X-wing shots. I'm off to bed now, hopefully I'll have a dream where I am a X-wing pilot.

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Actually, after watching it a couple more times today, I kind of like the teaser. The initial shock wore off, and then I watched it again and I actually really liked the look of some of the shots and actors. It is just a teaser, and all that means is that they need to shove in as many of the exciting parts as possible in 80 seconds. I'm excited for the full length trailer now

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ray_afraid said:

Just watched the trailer and...

I'm out.

I want this to be me but I know I'll stick around out of curiosity. I just find it difficult to care about any of this. I did however do a quick mockup to get an idea of what things might look like sans hollywood teal / orange filtering..

If nothing else it should provide Frink with his next project -

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LOL!

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Everybody needs to just calm down.  It's an 80 second teaser and everybody's already picking it apart and saying the movies going to suck based on these things.  Jeez, have a beer and chill out.

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Would you mind posting your color correction, Tobar? I'd like to see another attempt at giving it a more natural look.

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