Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 28

I imagine Wookiee hair feels either dry or oily rather than soft*.

*Unless they're using good conditioner, of course.

Leaked photos of new stormtrooper helmets.

Tyrphanax said:

Not sold on the snowtrooper, but I'm digging the normal stormtrooper.

Likewise. 

Ugh. That really bums me out.

The Empire still around after getting soundly trounced thirty years ago.

Much like the Tatooine material I've seen, there's going to have to be a REALLY good explanation for this when the film comes out.

pablumatic said:

Ugh. That really bums me out.

The Empire still around after getting soundly trounced thirty years ago.

Much like the Tatooine material I've seen, there's going to have to be a REALLY good explanation for this when the film comes out.

If America could survive the assassinations of Lincoln and Kennedy, I'm 100.100% sure the Galactic Empire could survive the vaporization of Palps.

P.S.: I'm glad the ending of ROTJ: SE is getting shat on. Lucas deserves it. 

DuracellEnergizer said:

pablumatic said:

Ugh. That really bums me out.

The Empire still around after getting soundly trounced thirty years ago.

Much like the Tatooine material I've seen, there's going to have to be a REALLY good explanation for this when the film comes out.

If America could survive the assassinations of Lincoln and Kennedy, I'm 100.100% sure the Galactic Empire could survive the vaporization of Palps.

P.S.: I'm glad the ending of ROTJ: SE is getting shat on. Lucas deserves it. 

This, plus it's better than the Sith returning.

DuracellEnergizer said:

pablumatic said:

Ugh. That really bums me out.

The Empire still around after getting soundly trounced thirty years ago.

Much like the Tatooine material I've seen, there's going to have to be a REALLY good explanation for this when the film comes out.

If America could survive the assassinations of Lincoln and Kennedy, I'm 100.100% sure the Galactic Empire could survive the vaporization of Palps.

P.S.: I'm glad the ending of ROTJ: SE is getting shat on. Lucas deserves it. 

Strong argument since there's no examples of governments falling when their leaders are killed.

We're talking about a series of films that are supposed to be modern fairy tales. It's pretty clear that the intention was that with the evil sorcerer dead peace would return to the kingdom, and that's with or without the SEs.

It also makes it seem like Luke and the Rebels didn't actually accomplish anything. Who cares that they defeated the Sith if there is still an evil dictatorship running things?

Some more un-official images

This one is from the ReplicaPropForum

This is by a comic book artist who sketched this based on the leaked image

http://www.starwars7news.com/2014/08...mtroopers.html

J

Verboten said:

We're talking about a series of films that are supposed to be modern fairy tales. It's pretty clear that the intention was that with the evil sorcerer dead peace would return to the kingdom, and that's with or without the SEs.

I grew tired of viewing the OT as a "modern fairy tale" with all the simplistic, namby-pampy bullshit that description entails a long time ago, so I couldn't care less.

It also makes it seem like Luke and the Rebels didn't actually accomplish anything. Who cares that they defeated the Sith if there is still an evil dictatorship running things?

As far as I'm concerned, the death of Palpatine spelled the beginning of the end of the Empire. Without central leadership, the Empire devolved into chaos and broke apart as every warlord with a thirst for power began fighting his brother for possession of Palpatine's throne, allowing the Rebels to move on in and gain enough ground to establish a New Republic.

I don't need everything wrapped up in a neat little package right away to feel as if something significant was accomplished.

Verboten said: It also makes it seem like Luke and the Rebels didn't actually accomplish anything. Who cares that they defeated the Sith if there is still an evil dictatorship running things?

This is what I always say about the Sith returning.

Tyrphanax said:

It's strange that so many people were torn up about losing the canonicity of post-Jedi EU like the Thrawn Trilogy, and yet there are people who are just as annoyed that the Empire is still alive and kicking when basically all post-Jedi EU included the Imperial Remnant in some form.

So true.

The worst is a group of TFN'ers who don't want the Empire to appear because they think that Star Wars should only be about Jedi and Sith.

DuracellEnergizer said:

It also makes it seem like Luke and the Rebels didn't actually accomplish anything. Who cares that they defeated the Sith if there is still an evil dictatorship running things?

As far as I'm concerned, the death of Palpatine spelled the beginning of the end of the Empire. Without central leadership, the Empire devolved into chaos and broke apart as every warlord with a thirst for power began fighting his brother for possession of Palpatine's throne, allowing the Rebels to move on in and gain enough ground to establish a New Republic.

I don't need everything wrapped up in a neat little package right away to feel as if something significant was accomplished.

So, what are you saying exactly? Your earlier post made it sound like you were cool with the Empire still existing 30 years after RotJ. When I said it would seem Luke had accomplished nothing I was referring to the idea of the Empire still being around 30 years later. I'm fine with the idea that it may have taken the Rebels a few years to completely dismantle the Empire, but Vader and the Emperor were obviously their biggest obstacles.

Basically, I'm trying to say it would be incredibly lame to me if these movies are going to be Rebel Alliance vs. Galactic Empire with no sense of accomplishment or progress since Jedi.

My boss has a white Scirocco,....when I saw it this morning, it reminded me of something

Evolved from this 80's car:

I do think there would have been a revolution across the Galaxy to overthrow the Empire (we saw Palps statue toppled in the SE of Jedi)

Remember the Generals around the boardroom table on the Death Star, they all seamed secure in their power without aid of the Force, their power was the military might of the Empire,....so I don't think the Empire would have just given up after DSII, Palps & Vader's destruction at the end of the Trilogy

Perhaps its only now that the Empire has regained enough strength to take back total control that they had when Palps was around,....maybe for 30 years theres been a relaxed Galaxy.....think of Europe after The Great War & the return of Nazi Germany in the 1930's

J

.Mac. said:

Jaitea said:

.....I wonder if there'll be a shot out of the cockpit window where we can see the mandible

(image by SteveStarkiller at the ReplicaPropForum)

J

 That would be cool, I really hope so.

 

This is *absolutely* one of my most hoped-for new camera angles of the Falcon now! 

How the hell do I contact J.J. to ask him to get his effects guys to include it?

(By the way, I seem to remember that editing another member's post to quote certain things used to be easier.  There seems to be additional weird 'boxes' and stuff when I click on to 'Reply with quote' nowadays that I don't recall getting a while back...and .Mac.'s post kept disappearing altogether when I tried to edit out the bottom bit of it before I added my response.  You'll see for instance that I had to leave in a long 'blank block' under his "That would be cool, I really hope so" wording, as I couldn't fully get rid of that without everything disappearing on me when I tried to edit it out.  I'm curious if anyone else has noticed this happening?) 

Jaitea said:

Some more un-official images

This one is from the ReplicaPropForum

This is by a comic book artist who sketched this based on the leaked image

http://www.starwars7news.com/2014/08...mtroopers.html

J

Considering that the 'Sandtrooper with orange shoulder-pad' was my favourite costume design from the many in the saga (the behind-the-scenes shot of the one astride a Dewback was my first-ever image from the upcoming STAR WARS back in '77...and I'm still gutted about that great angled shot not being in the actual movie!), I was kinda underwhelmed when I saw the recent 'sketch from memory' that artist Tom Hodges released recently, as seen here - http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/hodges-ep7-stormtrooper.jpg

So I was pleasantly surprised when I clicked on emanswfan's link to what are claimed to be the actual new Stormtrooper helmet designs.  A *big* improvement over the way the rough sketch looked, thankfully.

A couple of little things though - after seeing freelance digital artist Juan Fernandez's great mock-up on the bottom pic that Jaitea showed, I'm now not too keen on the actual single 'breather/vent' on just one side of the new helmet upgrade.  The artist had only seen *one* side of the newly released pics it seems, but has now revised his rendering to incorporate this non-symmetrical aspect - http://www.starwars7news.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/ST1.jpg

I still prefer the look of the symmetrical breather/vents that he wrongly painted, as I think the helmet was already re-designed enough...but compared to how I *thought* they were going to look due to the early sketch, I'm happy to say that I like the new look overall.  I look forward to seeing how the rest of their costumes have been upgraded during this 30-year span.

As far as the other helmet design goes (the one referred to as a 'Jungle Trooper'/'Snow Trooper' by some)...the Starwars7news.com site that Jaitea linked to at the very bottom has an update that claims it belongs to a new class known as 'Incendiary Troopers' who carry flamethrowers...

I sure hope this one turns out to be true.  Flamethrowers?  Yes please J.J.

SilverWook said:

Tom Hodges, who did the previous sketch based on the helmet he saw, took his rendering down after taking crap from A holes fanboys.  What is wrong with these people?

https://www.facebook.com/Hodgesart

It's sad that certain people seem to have given him harsh feedback on his Stormtrooper helmet impression.  He's admitted himself that he got quite a few details wrong, and that it turned out to be a poor representation.  But I recall it was only meant to be a rough 'memory sketch' from whatever source he'd seen originally...and he obviously never saw the non-symmetrical aspect either that it's now claimed to have.  He does some terrific work though - If you type in Tom Hodges art on 'google images', you'll find some excellent and prolific work that includes heaps of Star Wars characters amongst his portfolio.

I don't like either of the new stormtrooper designs really. Why do these have to be updated, we don't want R2-D2 to look any different, or sleak Star Destroyers. These are iconic designs and can just be reused. 

Fair enough designing something for a new environment though, maybe that's what they are. Of the two, the second "snowtrooper" looks more like something from McQuarrie, where as the normal stormtrooper looks like and extension from the prequels.

I love the chunky look of the OT, I hope they keep some of that.