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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 210

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I saw it last night. I thought the first half was flawless, but it felt rushed when the Starkiller was introduced.

After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true. ~ Spock

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I loved it, really good movie. A 9/10 for me easy, and a movie I’ll be rewatching plenty of times!

Fast paced charming space adventure with lots going on, very busy but not too much so, plays with the classic SW stuff while also having it’s own feel. Thumbs up, can’t wait for the rest!

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The problems with the sound mix cannot be blamed on poor theater sound systems. I saw the movie in Dolby Atmos at the Ciné Capri, the best theater in Phoenix. I’ve heard things sound really good in there. This mix was not one of them.

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More detail about TFA from Abrams/Kasdan:

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2015/12/j-j-abrams-lawrence-kasdan-and-michael-arndt-reveal-new-secrets-about-the-force-awakens.html

J.J. Abrams reveals that three actors lend their voices for that scene, that are quite familiar to us.

Ewan McGregor, Frank Oz… and a clever editing movie also brought the late Alec Guinness, who died in 2000 at the age of 86, back to the Star Wars universe. […]“You do hear a little bit of Yoda. You hear Luke yelling out, ‘Nooo!’ from that moment in Empire. And you hear Obi-Wan at the end say, ‘Rey … these are your first steps,’” Abrams says. “Here’s the cool part. We asked Ewan McGregor to come in and do the line. And he was awesome and we were very grateful. He was incredibly sweet and handsome, and all that stuff. Then he rode off on his motorcycle. Literally the coolest voice over actor ever.”

But who said “Rey”?

As they worked on editing the dream sequence, Bryan Burk, a longtime Bad Robot collaborator and one of the producers of the film, surprised Abrams one day with the gift of a single word: Obi-Wan Kenobi’s voice saying the name “Rey …”

“I said, ‘That’s cool, is that the thing from Ewan McGregor?’” Abrams recalled. “He said ‘No, we took a line from Alec Guinness saying ‘Afraid.’”

Frank Oz the famous puppeteer who also gave his iconic Yoda voice for The Force Awakens may appear in Episode 8, as well.

“He was incredibly generous and came in to Bad Robot, where we had a recording area, and he was doing Yoda, saying a number of lines we gave to him,”[…]That means, maybe, we could get even more of the character’s spirit in the films to come. Writer-director Rian Johnson (Brick, Looper) begins shooting Episode VIII next month.

“This will begin to make things right.” Lor San Tekka

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Now they’re using old fan edit tricks? Awesome!

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Where were you in '77?

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I… can’t believe Han’s gone. I mean I knew pretty early on that this movie was rhyming with ANH, as it were, but I didn’t want to believe Han was the Obi-Wan! I… I dunno, I’m going to need a good five solid days before I can tackle this film again.

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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It’s going to take a lot to make Kylo Ren deserving of redemption in my eyes after what he’s done.

I doubt it will ever happen, but Chewie ought to be the one to kill him.

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Where were you in '77?

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Has anyone able to watch this at the Amc iMax and get the Rey poster? I had to work so I could not pick it up. It came out today.

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SilverWook said:

It’s going to take a lot to make Kylo Ren deserving of redemption in my eyes after what he’s done.

I doubt it will ever happen, but Chewie ought to be the one to kill him.

I can only see a redemption through death thing like Vader happening. Unless they say he’s brainwashed like the Stormtroopers and one movie is spent deprogramming him.

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hairy_hen said:

The problems with the sound mix cannot be blamed on poor theater sound systems. I saw the movie in Dolby Atmos at the Ciné Capri, the best theater in Phoenix. I’ve heard things sound really good in there. This mix was not one of them.

I was kinda hoping I could blame the theater I saw it in, but it appears as though this is sadly not the case. Could they somehow ‘fix’ it for a DVD release…? Doubtful… but hopeful.

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hairy_hen said:

The problems with the sound mix cannot be blamed on poor theater sound systems. I saw the movie in Dolby Atmos at the Ciné Capri, the best theater in Phoenix. I’ve heard things sound really good in there. This mix was not one of them.

I was kinda hoping I could blame the theater I saw it in, but it appears as though this is sadly not the case. Could they somehow ‘fix’ it for a DVD release…? Doubtful… but hopeful.

Edit: This double post was accidental.

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Does everybody in the Star Wars galaxy understand droid beeps now? I could have sworn Luke required C-3PO to understand R2 when he wasn’t hooked into an X-Wing and giving text responses.

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FrankT said:

I… can’t believe Han’s gone.

If it takes place a long time ago, technically everybody is gone. I think Blue Oyster Cult has a song about this… but I know what you mean. If you leave off on a positive note, you just don’t have to think about the mortality of these characters.

SilverWook said:

It’s going to take a lot to make Kylo Ren deserving of redemption in my eyes after what he’s done.

I doubt it will ever happen, but Chewie ought to be the one to kill him.

I’m thinking Kylo will be irredeemable. At least, that would make for a bold direction. But I’m excited to see where they go with all this.

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ray_afraid said:

pablumatic said:

Does everybody in the Star Wars galaxy understand droid beeps now? I could have sworn Luke required C-3PO to understand R2 when he wasn’t hooked into an X-Wing and giving text responses.

This bugs me too.

I assume its because there was no interpreter droid around and they had to keep the movie going, but it is a weird shift.

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Just saw the film. I loved it up until half way through the movie. I did not need a new Death Star. I thought that was weak. The movie should have been “The Search for Luke”. I really loved the opening scroll and Fin and Rey. I loved the look and the feel though. I have bigger hopes for films without J.J. Should have been more Luke.

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GroovyLord said:

FrankT said:

I… can’t believe Han’s gone.

If it takes place a long time ago, technically everybody is gone. I think Blue Oyster Cult has a song about this… but I know what you mean. If you leave off on a positive note, you just don’t have to think about the mortality of these characters.

True. Then there’s how Harrison wanted Han killed off in either Empire or Jedi. Guess it kind of helps to justify it that way.

A few more thoughts: I’ve noticed how this film mirrors the original - almost too much, in fact. I don’t know if this was what George’s idea was when he presented his rhyme and stanzas theory. Even the prequels were just a bit more subtle than that!

I also got the feeling that Kylo could easily blow people’s heads off in the torture chamber, kind of like a Scanner. He does look kind of like Cameron Vale. Am I the only one who sees it like that?

Also, I noticed Martha Jones was on Coruscant when they blew it up. That was pretty surprising.

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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I watched it for a 2nd time in 3d imax (yay!) but it was dubbed in French (boo). The initial excitement was, of course, disspiated but I still enjoyed the film, although watching it again, the starkiller sideplot seems so tacked on. We already have a McGuffin with both sides trying to find Luke. There was no need for another Death Star. If JJ’s goal was to equal the fighting ground between the First Order and the Republic, I think that a better way would have been to have a kamikaze stormtrooper destroy the planets.

But I did notice going in that it was POE who shot at and killed Finn’s friend at the beginning. And also that Finn’s numbers were the same as Princess Leia’s cell number in ANH.

For the Frenchies out there: I found it interesting that when 3po appears he says “It’s me! C3po! Previously known as Z6po”. Also my crowd laughed when Poe says “FN? What kinda name is that?” (FN is the name of the ultra right wing party in France)

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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Why were they able to see the Hosnian system get destroyed from Takodana? You’d think they’d be right on top of each other for that to make sense… but according to the new maps of the galaxy there is some considerable distance between the two systems.

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Did anyone else notice that 3P0 seems to have put on some weight? New plating I guess 😄

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hydrospanner said:

Why were they able to see the Hosnian system get destroyed from Takodana? You’d think they’d be right on top of each other for that to make sense… but according to the new maps of the galaxy there is some considerable distance between the two systems.

I assume it will never be explained, but I will go ahead and say the hyperspeed laser light reaches other systems much faster than regular light. So its possible to see it as it happens.

Maybe it should have been pinpoints of light rather than a fireworks show, but that’s Star Wars for you.

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Off subject a bit, but does anyone think the following?

Finn is a Solo (read the new comics-Han was married before the '77 movie to a woman of color), thus making Finn and Ren half-brothers.

Rey is a Kenobi, not a Skywalker (maybe Obiwan’s granddaughter). I only say this because of the voices she hears during her flashback (but she also heard Yoda’s as well).

Snoke is Darth Plageus.

Discuss.

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MJR80 said:

Finn is a Solo (read the new comics-Han was married before the '77 movie to a woman of color), thus making Finn and Ren half-brothers.

I’ve heard the now canon comic-book piece about Solo’s other lady. It’s an interesting angle but I don’t think they would do that. It would shrink the universe further than it already has been. I think Finn is a Han Solo type character but in no way related. There was always kind of a rumor (maybe it’s canon, I dunno…I don’t know what is and is not) that Han Solo had been a Stormtrooper at some point and defected himself.

Rey is a Kenobi, not a Skywalker (maybe Obiwan’s granddaughter). I only say this because of the voices she hears during her flashback (but she also heard Yoda’s as well).

Another interesting thought that did occur to me as well. But I go back to what Kathleen Kennedy has said about the Sequel Trilogy. This is the continuing story of the Skywalker’s. Rey is either a closely secreted Solo/Skywalker or her father is the “myth” that she didn’t even know was real, until now…Luke.

Snoke is Darth Plageus.

Perhaps a Darth Plagueis-like character. But, given the fact that the story teams, including the screenwriters, seem to be only picking bits and pieces of the E.U. to use, I’m guessing he won’t be exclusively revealed to be DP. But out of all of your hypotheses, this one might be the most plausible. Someone at Comic Con even asked the panel (Kasdan/Abrams) about this and Kasdan acted like he misheard them ‘Darth Vegas?’.

“This will begin to make things right.” Lor San Tekka

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MJR80 said:

Off subject a bit, but does anyone think the following?

Finn is a Solo (read the new comics-Han was married before the '77 movie to a woman of color), thus making Finn and Ren half-brothers.

Rey is a Kenobi, not a Skywalker (maybe Obiwan’s granddaughter). I only say this because of the voices she hears during her flashback (but she also heard Yoda’s as well).

Snoke is Darth Plageus.

Discuss.

Finn seems rather young, so it’s rather doubtful that Finn would look that aged if Han married before the events ANH. It really would be far reaching to shoehorn in that Han was screwing around and had a random kid he didn’t know about throughout the whole trilogy. I say nay.

A Kenobi? Highly… improbable. Those flashbacks are voices that were heard/seen mostly from Luke’s perspective. One line from Kenobi. One line from Yoda. One line from Luke. What’s the common denominator? It’s tied to Luke, especially the imagery of Cloud City corridors. Also, Maz kept saying the saber was calling to Rey. That saber is a Skywalker heirloom.

That Snoke theory is being tossed around a lot. Many believe it. I’m on the fence. It sounds a little silly that they’ll go, “NOPE, you thought Palpy was pulling the strings?? Hahahaha! Snoke IS THE Master Puppeteer!!” It’s just too much. There’s absolutely no hints that there was something beyond Palpatine and as far as I’m assuming, Palpatine would be the type to make sure his old Master was dead-dead and wouldn’t serve him. The only thing that does make it a sound theory is that Plagues probably cheated death due to his… knowledge of… Midichlorians.
It all depends. This can really be compelling or really go downhill.

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